S. 1218, The Lumbee Recognition Act (2768 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits)
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S. 1218 would provide for the recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
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A. Locklear
May 30, 2012, 1:23pm (report abuse)Per my previous post, most EBCI members were also misclassified as "free persons of color" or "mulatto"
steveD
May 30, 2012, 2:49pm (report abuse)The lumbees of scuffleton pembroke are just negro and have been enumerated as such your swanton theorys and probable guesses offers no proof at all,where is this research and tangable evidence of a cheraw link and if cheraw why didnt any lumbee know this until swanton theory of 1930,s,just another new guess is all you have there,the lumbee swore to be Croatan the lost colony then cherokee before congress and thats what we go with not a probable guess with no backbone.and once again Mulatto is not another name for Native american,anywhere,it is your excuse for being a descendant of mulattos and attempting to convert it to mean Indian but it doesnt at all,this is commom knowledge and hasnt worked at all for you guys.hence the failure for eternity of any bill that you will put forth.native americans are eternal and we will be here vigilant to watch for attempts by you non-indians to twist,lie,and attempt to take our treaty and reservation benefits that we suffered the trail of tears for.
steveD
May 30, 2012, 2:55pm (report abuse)We Remain as Native,you lumbee dont and never have been,just attempting to pass as some fractional extinct tribe that was never tribal and take away from the real treaty natives but we the people remain VIGILANT and watchful of your s. and H.r.bills and they will always fail.We the taxpayers have spoken get a clue Lumbee,no one beleives your theorys except other lumbees and thats not enough to pass any bill but the politicians will smile at you for votes and laugh behind you mulatto bi-racial backs.be proud of your clear connection to europe and africa because The Lumbee group will never get sovereignty or a CDIB card.
A. Locklear
May 30, 2012, 3:04pm (report abuse)Stevie,
I thought you weren't EBCI. Are you playing the name game again?
Dream on Stevie boy. More documentation to come. Your EBCI group were classified fpoc and mulatto just like the Lumbee. Swanton, is a Smithsonian anthropologist, who are you? Duk bill whatever?! We will win!! Hide and watch!
A. Locklear
May 30, 2012, 5:51pm (report abuse)Steve,
How did I know you were a hired lacky for the EBCI administration? I didn't know I was psychic!
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 12:57pm (report abuse)Most CHAVISes appear to descend from Thomas CHIVERS, who was born about 1630 and lived in Surry Co., Va. Descendants settled in Northampton Co., N.C., from where the ALLEN and BROWN families of Union Co., Ill., settled. Others CHAVISes lived in Granville and Wake counties in North Carolina.
A theory about the origin of the name, according to The Heritage of Blacks in North Carolina, is that it is a corruption of the Spanish name CHAVEZ, given to American Indians by Spanish conquistadors. After the CHAVEZes, most of them "CHEROKEE," came in contact with English settlers in Virginia, the name is said to have been Anglicized to CHIVERS, CHAVERS, CHAVIS, and other varied spellings.
William Chavis indeed, "I am a black man" maybe what he meant to say was, "I am a Cherokee black man"
STEVED
May 31, 2012, 2:23pm (report abuse)Full Name: Lumbe
Full Name (Specific): Lumbe
Short Name: LUMBE
Short Form: ANGOLA
Region: Africa/Middle East
Name Type: african
Description Name: populated place
Description Text: a city, town, village, or other agglomeration of buildings where people live and work
Class: P - Populated Place
Latitude
(decimal degrees): -11.0667
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 2:51pm (report abuse)HEY STEVE DUYUKDV,
ACCORDING TO YOUR DNA REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE. THE GREATEST CORRELATION WAS FOUND NEAR FINLAND, NORWAY AND SWEDEN.
THAT'S CRAZY. I GUESS I NEED TO GO HOME AND WATCH THOR AGAIN! REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE, MY TAIL!
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 2:52pm (report abuse)Herbert maps document the Cheraw towns, Steve. Margaret Brown, one of the last of the native Catawba speakers/ wisdomkeepers stated,"The Croatan (speaking of the Lumbee) were once part of our people, but left to avoid the plague ." (Speck). Speck also stated Ms. Browns daughter, Sallie Gordon spoke the Cheraw dialect of the Catawba language. Isn't that a peach? Our history documents and backs up what Margaret Brown stated. The Cheraw and related Siouan tribes lived in/around the Catawba for @ 12 years, but left to reestablish their own identity and escape the plague by hiding out in the swamps of Robeson County.
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 2:54pm (report abuse)STEVE, IS THIS YOUR BREAK TIME AT YOUR EBCI WORK? WE ARE NOT TRYING TO PULL THE WOOL OVER ANYONE'S EYES. YOUR LITTLE CDIB CARDS MEAN LITTLE BECAUSE A GREAT MAJORITY OF YOUR ANCESTORS BOUGHT THEIR WAY ONTO THE ROLLS. YES WE ARE INDIGENOUS NATIVE AMERICANS. YOUR LITTLE POLITICIAN MCMILLAN BLURB WAS DATED 1897. HELLO, THE LUMBEE ACHIEVED STATE RECOGNITION AND BEGAN OPENING UP THE FIRST NA UNIVERSITY IN 1888. WHAT I LEARNED IN SECOND GRADE WOULD TELL ME 1888 IS BEFORE 1897. THE LUMBEES HAVE NEVER HAD A REPRESENTATIVE DNA SAMPLE. ITS NOT A GUESS STEVIE, ITS FACT. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT LUMBEE BEHAVIOR? NOTHING!
A.. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 2:58pm (report abuse)SO WHAT, EBCI HAS HERITAGE FROM THE CATAWBA, TUSCARORA, AND OTHER TRIBES. AND AS WE'VE POINTED OUT EUROPEAN AND AFRICAN AMERICAN. ONE OF YOUR CHIEFS WAS A LOWRY! WAS HE A LUMBEE? (ie Henry Berry Lowry). HISTORY IS NOT THEFT, LEARN IT! AND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII QUOTE, "INFORMATION ABOUT THE CHERAWS OF DROWNING CREEK WAS REPORTED IN THE "SOUTH CAROLINA GAZETTE (1771)". I REPEAT 1771! REV. DAWLEY MAYNOR LEARNED THESE CHERAW WORDS FROM HIS GRANDMOTHER, EPTA TEWA NEWASIN! You all must can't disprove Robert Locklear and his son Big Tom and his son Will. And, Ismael Chavis and Chief Hawkeye (Hoke Co. cultural center named after him). YOU ALL ARE CLOSED MINDED RACIST! ALL I CAN SAY IS, WE WILL WIN! HIDE AND WATCH!
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 3:06pm (report abuse)Natascha Wagoner, Miss Indian USA. April Whittemore, Miss Indian World. Lumbee, Charter members of the National Congress on American Indians). Kerry Bird, former president of National Indian Education Association. These honors/positions were voted on by NATIVE PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE UNITED STATESS. LET ME CONTINUE, CO-MEMBERS WITH EBCI ON THE NORTH CAROLINA COMMISSION ON INDIAN (I REPEAT) INDIAN AFFAIRS. CO-MEMBERS WITH EBCI ON THE UNITED TRIBES OF NC. IF YOUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T RECOGNIZE US AS INDIAN WHY DO YOU WORK WITH US ON ALL THESE STATE/NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. I think it all comes down to money. Oh, by the way, Congratulations on being granted card table/gaming rights for ALL OF WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA. YOUR GOVERNMENT WOULD STOMP ON HIS/HER BROTHER/SISTER JUST TO GAIN AN EXTRA BUCK! HOW SAD!!!!!!
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 3:21pm (report abuse)Let me clarify YOUR GOVERNMENT AND YOU ARE CLOSED MINDED RACISTS! The people of EBCI are fine individuals. Too bad they have to deal with dunces like you all in EBCI bureacracy and administration (from the Chief on down). Eastern Band tribal members would do good to start from scratch. I know the Snowbird wish Chief Hicks would just fly away. You folks in Cherokee, NC proper get Ribeye steaks! Your brothers and sisters in Snowbird are lucky to get the bones! Money talks, doesn't it?
A. Locklear
May 31, 2012, 3:44pm (report abuse)In 1935, Indian Agent Fred Baker was sent to Robeson County in response to a proposed resettlement project for the Lumbee and an attempt to organize as a tribe under the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. Baker reported that:
…I find that the sense of racial solidarity is growing stronger and that the members of this tribe are cooperating more and more with each other with the object in view of promoting the mutual benefit of all the members. It is clear to my mind that sooner of later Government Action will have to be taken in the name of Justice and Humanity to aid them.
D'Arcy McNickle, from the United States Office of Indian Affairs, came to Robeson County in 1936 to collect affidavits and other data from Lumbee people registering as Indian under the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934. McNickle stated, "…there are reasons for believing that until comparatively recently some remnant of language still persisted among these people".
Researchalicious? No?
STEVED
May 31, 2012, 7:45pm (report abuse)Scuffletown a few miles distant from Lumberton was one of the largest free Negro settlements in the United States before the war against slavery, and it was besides, "an almost Immemorial free negro settlement"
NewYork Herald 1880,s"IMMEMORIAL FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT" "LARGEST FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT IN THE USA"
Robeson County Lumbee Family Origins
1640: Robert Sweat had child by a "negro woman servant" in James City County
1654: Michael Gowen, a "negro" servant, was freed in York County.
1660: Jacob Locklear, a Frenchman, completed his indenture in York County.
1667: Emanuel Cumbo, "Negro," was granted land in James City County.
1678: Peter Kersey, a "Negroe" 1700: Gabriel Jacobs, a "Negro" slave, was freed in Northampton County, Virginia.
1711: John Demery, a "Negro," was freed in Nansemond County.
1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County.
1719: John Oxendine, a "Mallatto," had a child by a white woman in Northumberland County.
INDIANLAWM
May 31, 2012, 7:48pm (report abuse)Trouble Caused by False “tribes”
A.TRADEMARKS.False tribes use elements of the names of real tribes in order to confuse the public and bolster their legitimacy.Confusion between the true tribe and the imposters causes the public to think less of the true tribe.In fact,when the public sees these false tribes simply organize ex nihilo (out of nothing) and receive Indian benefits, the image of all real tribes is diluted.Take the Cheraw long extinct and never mention until a possible benefit was asked for and a theory creating a possible cheraw"origin" was born.
Janet Wiley
May 31, 2012, 7:57pm (report abuse)I really do see the lumbee ignoring any and all evidence against a probable native origin as i read their comments,they dont even consider the possibility that there ancestors were simply black/white mulattos looking for an OUT of the african american race completely and for political reasons.there were so many benefits to not being colored back then during racist times and blacks were at the bottom,the one drop rule would make all lumbee black so it was better to claim some kinda indian and i understand this happened,quite often so why do lumbee deny this,i think it would weaken their claim even more in the public eyes as native peoples but if your not Indian then you are not if their is evidence against including modern DNA and such.I think it is okay to claim to be indian by lumbee but not to give them sovereignty and benefits because they cannot prove they ever were a Sovereign indian nation.
A. Locklear
June 1, 2012, 6:12am (report abuse)The Cheraw are/were not extinct. From Herbal Remedies of the Lumbee Indians.
" In an attempt to mitigage the disruptive effects of disease and warefare with other tribal groups and Eruopean settlers, some related eastern Siouan (linguistic and cultural family) such as ther Cheraw and the SUgaree merge for a time in the late 1600's and early 1700's with the Catawba nation. After living with the Catawba for@ 12 years however, most o the Cheraw left the Catawba nation and migrated east towards the Great Pee Dee River near present day Northeastern South Carolina to reassert their own identity and to escape from such deadly European diseases as smallpox, measles, influenza and cholera. Along the way, elements of the keyauwee, Eno (Eno Will-one of my ancestors), Shakori (many girls in our tribe called Chicora),Woccon, and other eastern Siouan remnant tribes merged with the Cheraw to form a united community (Swanton 112, 145, 178, 183).
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 2:24pm (report abuse)EXCERTS
OFFICE OF INDIAN AFFAIRS,
Washington, January 7, 1889.
Hon. J. W. POWELL,
Director Bureau of Ethnology, City.
DEAR SIR: I have the honor to inclose herewith copy of a communication signed with 54 names of persons who claim to be "Croatan Indians" and descendants of "White's lost colony," in Robeson County, N. C.
There is no record in this office of any such Indians or any such a colony, and I can find no reference to them in any history at my command.
Yours, respectfully,
JNO. H. OBERLY, Commissioner
AGAIN THE LUMBEE GET A REPLY AFTER ASKING FOR FEDERAL MONEY
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 2:25pm (report abuse)DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
OFFICE OF INDIAN AFFAIRS
Washington, September 19, 1914
latter part of 1888.About that time 54 of these people,describing themselves as"a part of the Croatan Indians living in Robeson County,"and claiming to be"a remnant of White's lost colony,"petitioned Congress"for such aid as you may see fit to extend to us."
They are described as "generally white,It is stated that-They were enumerated by the regular census enumerator in part as whites;that they are clannish and "HOLD WITH CONSIDERABLE PRIDE" to the TRADITION that they are the DESCENDANTS of the CROATANS" of the Raleigh period of North Carolina and Virginia.
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 2:26pm (report abuse)William Chavis,CHAVERS,CHAVOUS A LUMBEE CORE ANCESTOR owned thirteen taxable slaves,thousands of acres of land IN ROBESON COUNTY and an inn frequented by whites in Granville County by 1754.
"His race was identified when a white man who had asked Chavis to lock up his money in his desk while he was drinking asked Chavis to testify for him in court",
"TO WHICH CHAVIS REPLIED",
"I AM A BLACK MAN" AND I DO NOT WISH TO UNDER TAKE SUCH A THING"
CHAVIS POSITIVELY SELF IDENTIFYS HIMSELF AS BLACK!!!! AND YOU STILL CLAIM LUMBEES TO BE INDIANS!! DOCUMENTS BEING FOUND ALWAYS CONTINUE TO PROOVE MORE BLACK ANCESTRY,NOW A SELF CONFESSION.
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 2:28pm (report abuse)When the Lumbee officially identified as Indians in the 1880s, they called themselves "Croatan Indians" after the now discredited "Lost Colony theory" advanced by the Democratic politician Hamilton McMillan. In 1885, McMillan sponsored legislation in the North Carolina General Assembly officially recognizing the Lumbee as "Croatan Indians of Robeson County" and permitting them to open "Croatan" schools. In the otherwise segregated system, this decision enabled the Lumbee to have schools for their children separate from those for freedmen's children, where they would otherwise be required to attend. The people petitioned to the federal government for recognition as "Croatan" Indians. These petitions were uniformly rejected, in part because there was no historically existing "Croatan" tribe, only a coastal village by that name.[citation needed] The village was located miles away from Robeson County with no apparent connection to the inhabitants of the county.
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 2:28pm (report abuse)Reconstruction era. It was a time when the Democrats were seeking to regain political power in North Carolina. They had lost the previous election to an interracial Populist-Republican coalition in which the newly emancipated slaves joined forces with the Robeson County mullatos. Some SCHOLORS argue that McMillan FABRICATED the Croatan origin story to split the votes of the Mullatos and newly emancipatd slaves.[16] McMillan's success in gaining an Indian classification for these people gave them a distinct social status separate from the newly emancipated slaves and their descendants. It also allowed for a system of Indian schools in Robeson County that permitted the newly christened "Croaton" children to be educated separately from the children of emancipated slaves, but not with white children.
DCS PHd
June 1, 2012, 2:32pm (report abuse)During the colonial period, the ancestors of the Lumbees were considered free Negroes or mulattoes. A 1754 report to the colonial governor on Bladen County (which included present-day Robeson County, the home of the Lumbees) prior to the looming war against the French and Indians stated that there were "[n]o arms stores nor Indians in the county." The colonial tax records for Bladen County from 1768 to 1770 mention the "Mulattoes" with the names Chavis, Locklear, Lowery, Oxendine (all Lumbee surnames). And a complaint dated October 1773 mentions "free Negroes and Mullatus" living upon the Kings land in Bladen County, including the surnames Chavours and Locklear.
In the federal censuses from 1790 to 1830 Lumbee ancestors were listed as "free persons of color," .Here the ancestors of the Lumbees were willing to accept free black identity
L. ED d.
June 1, 2012, 2:51pm (report abuse)In the first federal census of 1790, the ancestors of the Lumbee were among those enumerated as "free persons of color", a category used to describe all free non-whites (including LANDLESS INDIANS, and persons of mixed-race descent: Indian-White/White-African/African-Indian-White)European Americans tended to assume that landless Indians without their own territory or reservations would assimilate to the United States society, but this was not true. During this colonial period, the Cheorkees were also considered as "free persons of color" and "mulatto".
steved
June 1, 2012, 3:23pm (report abuse)quote dscphd
"Some advocates of Lumbee recognition argue that outsiders have no right to decide who is or is not an Indian. However,the Lumbees are asking for the benefits that come from the semi-sovereign status that results from being a federally recognized tribe that has had treaties and land claims with the United States"
DSC phD
June 1, 2012, 3:25pm (report abuse)Some advocates of Lumbee recognition argue that outsiders have no right to decide who is or is not an Indian. However,the Lumbees are asking for the benefits that come from the semi-sovereign status that results from being a federally recognized tribe that has had treaties with the United States.Benefits that will be taken from Treaty tribes,reservation nations further cutting up the pie and taxpayers.A valid concern for any already recognized and acknowledged federal tribe.
David Steven Cohen, Ph.D., is the author of "The Ramapo Mountain People." He is a former director of the Ethnic History Program of the New Jersey Historical Commission
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/15/862197/valid-objections-to-recognition.html#storylink=cpy
steved
June 1, 2012, 3:28pm (report abuse)In 1885 a Democratic state legislator from Robeson County named Hamilton Macmillan introduced a bill to recognize the Lumbees as the "Croatan Indians" based on a folk legend that they were the descendants of the Lost Colony of Roanoke. Two years after recognizing the "Croatan" tribe, the legislature provided public funds for an Indian normal school, later named Pembroke College, now the University of North Carolina at Pembroke.Created from a folk legend not reality or Facts.The Lumbees have no reservation, no treaties with the federal government and no survivals of Indian language, customs or beliefs. The only evidence of a genealogical link between the Lumbees and a historic Indian tribe is oral tradition of Croatan.
In other words, the Lumbees adopted an Indian identity in a deal with Democratic Party under which they were allowed to establish their own "Indian" schools that excluded blacks in exchange for their voting for the Democratic ticket.
steved
June 1, 2012, 3:30pm (report abuse)In other words, the Lumbees adopted an Indian identity in a deal with Democratic Party under which they were allowed to establish their own "Indian" schools that excluded BLACKS in exchange for their voting for the Democratic ticket.The Blacks were willing to accept the croatan into their schools but due to racist attitudes the croatan lumbee did not accept these full blooded negro and refused to socialize with negroes.
STEVED
June 1, 2012, 4:11pm (report abuse)THESE KINDS OF POLITICAL MISTAKES WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN CREATING A STATE TRIBE BASED ON AN UNPROVEN MYTH,JUST AS THE LUMBEE FEDERAL RECOGNITION BILL WILL NEVER HAPPEN AS A SOVEREIGN NATION,NOT EVER.THE DATA DOES NOT SUPPORT IT AND NEITHER WILL THE TAXPAYERS,GET REAL.WE ARE A SOCIETY OF FACTS AND EVIDENCE ,HARDCORE AND IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE IN 2012, IN 1888 ANY MYTH WOULD FLY IF YOU COULD CONVINCE A POLITICIAN SO WERE BORN THE CROATAN,EVEN HITLERS MYTH OF RACIAL SUPERIORITY IN THE 1900,S BUT WE HAVE LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES SOME WHAT.THE SEGREGATION AND CREATION OF A SOVEREIGN LUMBEE CREATED NATION IN ROBESON COUNTY AREA WILL NEVER HAPPEN,ANOTHER POLITICAL UNIT WILL NOT FIT, REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL.LUMBEE CROATAN WERE NEVER SOVEREIGN IN HISTORY AND WILL NOT BE NOW.YOU CANNOT A SOVEREIGNTY THAT YOU NEVER HAD.
A. Locklear
June 4, 2012, 9:16am (report abuse)Dr. Wannabe Duyukbill,
According to your reasoning everyone was "NIEVE" before 1888 and believed and myth that came along. I guess that would make the founding fathers of this nation; George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin all dunces, right? OK, not to dispute the revered word of Dr. Duyukbill, but don't you think the native nations that have considered us a soverign nation carries a bit more weight that we word of a wannabe anthro known as Dr, Duk. Again, NOTED and REAl anthropologists,historians, government officials, and oral history all prove our case. Finally, THE LAW GOVERNMENTALLY CONFIRMS OUR EXISTENCE. I HAVE SOME ADVICE DR. DUYUKBILL, FOR THE NCAI AND NIEA CONFERENCES NEXT YEAR, TELL THEM YOUR ESTEEMED CREDIENTIALS AND SUBMIT A PROPOSAL, OUR NATIVE BROTHERS AND SISTERS COULD USE A LITTLE COMIC RELIEF. BTW, AS ALWAYS, WE WILL WIN! HIDE AND WATCH
IndianLawM
June 4, 2012, 6:30pm (report abuse)Nothing in this Act shall make such Indians eligible for any services performed by the United States for Indians because of their status as Indians, and none of the statutes of the United States which affect Indians because of their status as Indians shall be applicable to the Lumbee Indians
IndianLawM
June 4, 2012, 6:31pm (report abuse)The Lumbee Act itself forbid the Lumbee from receiving any funds as Indians and bars them from a Govt to Govt relationship with the USA.but yet the lumbee tribe has received between 2007 and the 2012 GAO report over 78$ million dollars as an Indian tribe under HUD and the department of Education that stipulates a reservation is part of the statuate to receive funds for education.as a non-recognized state Indian tribe from the US.
Lumbee Indians of North Carolina." HR 4656 also stipulated that "[n]othing in this Act shall make such Indians eligible for any services performed by the United States for Indians because of their status as Indians." This restriction as to eligibility for services was a condition which tribal representatives agreed to at the time in order to achieve recognition. In testimony before Congress, Lumbee spokesmen repeatedly denied that they wanted any financial services; they said they only wanted recognition as American Indians.
IndianLawM
June 4, 2012, 6:33pm (report abuse)In 1987, the Lumbees petitioned the U.S. Department of the Interior for federal recognition, in a bid for the financial benefits accorded recognized Native American tribes, who were generally associated with RESERVATIONS established for them and a history of a tribal relationship with the federal government.[48] The petition was denied because of the language in the Lumbee Act stating that THE TRIBE WAS INELIGABLE FOR FEDERAL FUNDING.
Nothing in this Act shall make such Indians eligible for any services performed by the United States for Indians because of their status as Indians, and none of the statutes of the United States which affect Indians because of their status as Indians shall be applicable to the Lumbee Indians.
Yet the Lumbee have received over 78 $million dollars of federal money because of the state Indian tribe status!! THIS IS NOW UNDER REVIEW BY THE GAO report of 2012,according to public information,freedom of information act.
Steve Duyukdv
June 4, 2012, 6:45pm (report abuse)mr locklear,what a beautiful English scottish name.definitely. The first most common language of Robeson County was scottish brogue,The official language of Robeson County was Gaelic.
yes your so called tribe of croatan was created from the lost colony of governor whites myth,it is a myth not a fact thats common knowledge so youre attempt has not made the myth true,two years after the state of NC created a school for this mythical Croatan tribe,which became a university of UNC.
Lumberton, the county seat, was established contrary to other published information prior to 1788. The act that incorporated Lumberton in 1788 mentioned that a "town had already been established". At the time Lumberton was incorporated the section of the Lumber River on which Lumberton is located was known as the "Drowning Creek", a name by which portions of the river are still known. The name Lumberton was proposed by John Willis
steveD
June 4, 2012, 6:51pm (report abuse)At the time Lumberton was incorporated the section of the Lumber River on which Lumberton is located was known as the "Drowning Creek", The name Lumberton was proposed by John Willis.Lumbee sounds like a "very good scottish nickname and follows the lumberTon or Lumbertown(wood,Lumber) pattern,not any mythical Indian name people"The river's high bluff was the launching point for thousands of logs floated down the river to Georgetown.some times you cannot just overlook the obvious for some "mythical romanticized theory".
steveD
June 4, 2012, 6:53pm (report abuse)lumberTon or Lumbertown(wood,Lumber) pattern,not any mythical Indian name people"The Lumber river's high bluff was the launching point for thousands of logs floated down the river to Georgetown.some times you cannot just overlook the obvious for some "mythical romanticized theory".
steveD
June 4, 2012, 6:54pm (report abuse)According to local historians
"The Lumber river's high bluff was the launching point for thousands of logs floated down the river to Georgetown.
some times you cannot just overlook the obvious for some "mythical romanticized theory".
steveD
June 4, 2012, 7:28pm (report abuse)The only thing i will ever agree with you on is that no-one really knows the real lumbee origins,having a fractional native Indian ancestor is not an Impossibility for any american and the average is about 2%plus minus for any race but doubt is not what federal sovereignty is about if their is lotsa of doubt and contraversy then the government cannot and should not err in your favor as Tax dollars and the integrity and authenticity of already recognized Indian Nations are involved and at stake here.IT MUST BE AN "IRREFUTABLE CLEAR CLAIM" FOR IT TO BE JUST AND FAIR TO ALL AMERICANS AND INDIAN NATIONS.and the Lumbee croatan claim has a thousand doubts and inconsistancys ever changing.
steveD
June 4, 2012, 7:38pm (report abuse)In the Lumbee case what has been proven to date is that In the nineteenth century, other settlers often referred to mixed-race people as Indian, Portuguese or Arab, in attempts to classify them to account for physical differences from northern Europeans. They sometimes self-identified as Indian as well, trying to escape from racial segregation associated with African slaves. Some may have descended from Atlantic Creoles, men of mixed African-Portuguese ancestry identified by the historian Ira Berlin as part of the charter generation of slaves, but most were descendants of English white women and African men in the British colonies.
A. Locklear
June 5, 2012, 8:01am (report abuse)Stevie Duyukbill,
Now you're a wiki anthropolgist and plagiarist? WE ARE A RECOGNIZED INDIAN NATION, STEVIE, recognized by A FEDERAL LAW and STATE RECOGNITION. Your Ira Berlin, slanted your little Wiki article to accept donations from EBCI and other entities that are afraid of monies they will receive if/when the Lumbee people are recognized.
A. Locklear
June 5, 2012, 8:02am (report abuse)Attempts to gain federal recognition. When the Croatan Indians petitioned Congress for educational assistance, their request was sent to
the House Committee on Indian Affairs.
It took two years for the Commissioner of Indian Affairs, T.J. Morgan, to respond to the Croatan Indians of Robeson County, telling them that,
"so long as the immediate wards of the Government are so insufficiently provided for, I do not see how I can consistently render any assistance to the Croatans or any other civilized tribes."
The government's rejection of assistance to the ancestors of the Lumbee was based solely on economic considerations. For Commissioner T.J. Morgan, services would have been readily extended to "civilized" tribes like the Croatan were it not for the Commission's insufficiency of funds.
A. Locklear
June 5, 2012, 8:08am (report abuse)Charles F. Pierce, Supervisor of Indian Schools, investigated the tribe's congressional petition, reporting favorably that
"a large majority [were] at least three-fourths Indian"
as well as law abiding, industrious, and
"crazy on the subject of education."
Pierce also believed that federal educational assistance would be beneficial but opposed any such legislation since, in his words,
"[a]t the present time it is the avowed policy of the government to require states having an Indian population to assume the burden and responsibility for their education, so far as is possible."
A. Locklear
June 5, 2012, 8:16am (report abuse)A later committee report of 1932 explicitly acknowledged that the federal bill of 1913 was intended to extend federal recognition on the same terms as the amended state law. Moreover, while the bill passed the Senate but not the House, the chairman of the House committee also abrogated any assumption of direct educational responsibility to the Indians of Robeson County by the federal government. He believed they were already eligible to attend Indian boarding schools. Thus, the federal government
was meeting its responsibility to the Indians of Robeson County through Indian boarding schools such as Carlisle Indian Industrial School. And some Lumbee Indian Children did attend the FEDERAL INDIAN BOARDING SCHOOLS! I think these individuals carry more weight than the bribed historian Ira Berlin
S.Duyukdv
June 5, 2012, 1:50pm (report abuse)Cant handle the true information then dont propose a political bill the public has a right to know all data about a tribes origins to be recognized!!!
Lumbee origins,these families were classified as both white European American and free people of color,which could include people of African as well as mixed-race descendants.20th-century researchers have traced the free people of color in North Carolina listed in those early censuses to African Americans free in Virginia in colonial times. The families were mostly descended from white women and African American.They founded free families of several generations before migrating to other areas. working-class whites and Africans lived and worked closely together, marrying and forming unions. Many free people of color migrated to frontier areas to gain relief from the racial strictures of the coastal plantation areas.
S.DUYUKDV
June 5, 2012, 1:55pm (report abuse)WHY IS IT THAT ANYONE THAT PRESENTS THE UNALTERED EVIDENCE AS IT IS ,IS LABEL A LIAR OR BRIBED HISTORIAN BY THE LUMBEE ,BUT WHEN THE LUMBEE PRESENT A FAROUT MYTHICAL THEORY OF ORIGIN WITH NO PROOF SUCH AS THE CROATAN,LOST COLONY AND EXTINCT CHERAW ORIGINS THEY EXPECT THE PUBLIC AND TAXPAYERS TO SIMPLY ACCEPT THEIR CONCLUSION WITHOUT QUESTIONS OR DOUBT,WELL THAT DOESNT HAPPEN IN A FREE COUNTRY CLEAR EVIDENCE MUST BE PRESENTED WHETHER THE LUMBEE LIKE IT OR NOT IN THEIR FAVOR OR NOT AND OF COURSE SINCE THEY SEEK A POLITICAL BENEFIT THEY WILL ATTEMPT TO HUSH THE TRUTH OF IT WHILE QUIETLY SLIPPING THEIR SLICK BILL PASS US,NOT GONNA HAPPEN ,RESEARCH IS AT HAND.
IndianLawM
June 5, 2012, 2:01pm (report abuse)The Robesonian - GOP candidate in District 8 opposes Lumbee recognition.
Robinson, during a debate last in Concord with other GOP candidates seeking the District 8 nomination, was the only candidate to say he would not support federal recognition for the Lumbee Tribe. He stood by that position during a subsequent interview with The Robesonian.
“Essentially tribal recognition is reparation benefits for sins committed during the 19th century,” Robinson, of Concord, said. “We should not be handing out group-based benefits in the 21st century. This is bad public policy.”
PercyKution
June 5, 2012, 2:15pm (report abuse)At last, a candidate with some common sense that won't say just anything to get elected. He's got my vote for sure. He sounds honest and speaks what he beleives on an honest platform.
IndianLawM
June 5, 2012, 3:09pm (report abuse)•The Department of Education awarded American Indian Vocational Rehabilitation Services Program funding to the United Houma Nation,the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina,and a consortium consisting of the Choctaw-Apache Tribe of Ebarb and the Four Winds Cherokee.Each of these four tribes is state recognized,but it appears that none of them has a“reservation”as required by the statute establishing the program. GAO has substantial questions about whether Education’s interpretation of the term“reservation”is broader than the statutory definition supports.
For fiscal years 2007 through 2010,24 federal programs awarded more than $100 million to the 26 non-federally recognized tribes. Most of the funding was awarded to a few non-federally recognized tribes by a small number of programs.Specifically,95 percent of the funding was awarded to 9 non-federally recognized tribes and most of that funding was awarded to the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.
TAX DOLLARS AWARDED TO NON-RECOGNIZED TRIBES
IndianLawM
June 5, 2012, 3:11pm (report abuse)The Lumbee Act itself forbid the Lumbee from receiving any funds as Indians and bars them from a Govt to Govt relationship with the USA.but yet the lumbee tribe has received between 2007 and the 2012 GAO report over 78$ million dollars as an Indian tribe under HUD and the department of Education
STEVED
June 5, 2012, 6:52pm (report abuse)IN EFFECT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WINS "NO MORE MYTHICAL TRIBES LIKE CROATAN/LUMBEE TO SUPPORT AND WASTE OUR TAX DOLLARS".WE OWE LUMBEE NOTHING ,THEY WALKED NO TRAIL OF TEARS,HAVE NO TREATYS AND NO SOVEREIGN LAND CLAIMS OR ANY CLAIM.***(MAYBE REPARATIONS AS DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN SLAVES,I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FOR LUMPEES)
steved
June 5, 2012, 7:15pm (report abuse)1913 North Carolina legislature changes the tribe's name to the"Cherokee Indians of Robeson County"at the request of the group.
1924 The lumbee Tribe unsuccessfully petitions the Federal Government for recognition as"Siouan Indians.
1933 A Smithsonian Institution anthropologist,John R.Swanton, studies the tribe,and SPECULATES that based on the evidence available(which included no genealogical research or exposure to any writings older than McMillan’s official testimony to the state)the Lumbee were probably primarily descended from the Cheraw,that the Keyauwee had probably contributed more blood than the rest,but that the Cheraw name would be more appropriate because they have been mentioned more often throughout history.
1934 Tribal leaders,calling themselves The"Cherokee Indians of Robeson County"join the National Congress of American Indians.
1952 Dropping"Cherokee"following the leadership of D.F.Lowrie the tribe votes to adopt the name"Lumbee"after the Lumber River.
A. Locklear
June 5, 2012, 8:04pm (report abuse)I know the western Cherokee have some bad apples in government, but look what I found on a site called US VITAL RECORDS.
"For instance, the Cherokee Nation [of Oklahoma] has outwardly supported the Lumbee tribe’s efforts for federal recognition through Congress with many past and current principal chiefs making public statements to the fact. Including, the recently deceased Wilma Mankiller who was principal chief from 1985-1995. Ironically, unlike their brothers and sisters to the West, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians [of North Carolina] have consistently opposed Lumbee efforts for federal recognition."
Are these your people Steve Duyufuss? Indian FLAW are the western Cherokee your people?
A. Locklear
June 6, 2012, 8:10am (report abuse)I received this e-mail from Cedric Sunray, Mowa Band of Choctaw activist. It sums up alot of what we've been thinking True and DF:
Cedric wrote:
I don't blog. You will never find my name on a comment board or blog site. If you do, you will know that I did not write it and someone is using my name. While I appreciate those who are willing to do so, my work/writings are refereed and viewed by professional editors/academics prior to their organizations publishing what I write. Everythign is fact checked and not disputable from a factual standpoint. The only exception to this is H.E.L.P. News, which is a one way delivered piece free from "back and forth" discussion, though anyone is free to email me about what I write and give me their thoughts/opinions. Engaging people who use pseudonymns/screen names is fruitless in the end. While they scavenge around the cyberworld, our views are published in reputable journals, newspapers, and magazines.
A. Locklear
June 6, 2012, 8:13am (report abuse)continued:I continue to respond to the nonsense delivered below through published articles, which trust me, Steve whoever and duysomething (a corruption of a Cherokee term), read religiously. They are hacks and couldn't get a piece published if they tried because they are cowards. Virginia Demarce is a complete hack who came to the BAR/OFA with an already established belief in Melungeon that she herself practically created. To know her is to know a person whose own Indian fantasy didn't work out and so due to her own identity insecurities, she has gone around attacking others. DNA, race does not define tribal communities. Their knowledge of Puerto Rican attendance comes from our website, where the same people they listed are just cut and pasted from our site. Puerto Rican's are indigenous people, as are Hawaiians.
A. Locklear
June 6, 2012, 8:16am (report abuse)continued:
Carlisle and many other Indian boarding schools clearly support the reality that if your people paid the price as Indians, then clearly you ARE Indians. When they say things like "if the Lumbee attended" it is at best laughable. There is no if. Your people attended, period. You can give anyone my email address such as these hacks and ask them to take up the conversation with me that way. If they won't give their names and contacts they won't receive a response from me though I already know who they are. They are members of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Thanks for the information, Ced
Subject: Re: H.E.L.P. News Vol. 46
Indian Flaw and Duyufuss, Cedric's e-mail is helphaskell@hotmail.com I'm sure he would enjoy something of your "fancy book learning comic relief"
steved
June 6, 2012, 2:27pm (report abuse)As of the 2010 Census, 75.8% call themselves white, 12.4% are black, 0.5% Amerindian,0.2% Asian, and 11.1% are mixed or other.[62] Although only 12.4 consider themselves black, most sources estimate that about 46% of Puerto Ricans have African ancestry, though estimates vary greatly The vast majority of blacks in Puerto Rico are Afro-Puerto Rican, meaning they have been in Puerto Rico for generations, usually since the slave trade, forming an important part of Puerto Rican culture and society.[64][65] Newly arrived black immigrants have been coming to Puerto Rico, mainly from the [66]Dominican Republic, Haiti, and many other Latin American and Caribbean countries, and to a lesser extant directly from Africa as well, and also there many black migrants from the United States and the Virgin Islands who settle in Puerto Rico.[67][68] Also, many Afro-Puerto Ricans have migrated out of Puerto Rico, namely to the United States, where they make up the bulk of the U.S. Afro-Latino population
STEVED
June 6, 2012, 2:31pm (report abuse)IN PUERTO RICO"Black" suddenly began to disappear from one census to another(within 10 years' time),(SAME AS THE CROATAN LUMBEE DID) It also appears that the "black" element within the culture was simply disappearing possibly due to the popular idea that in the U.S. one could only advance economically and socially if one were to pass for "white". Puerto Rico is now experiencing a resurgence in black affiliation, mainly due to famous Afro-Puerto Ricans promoting black pride among the Puerto Rican community, as well as Afro-Puerto Rican youth learning their actual history due to school history books based entirely on Afro-Puerto Rican history.LUMBEE STILL KEEP UP THE BLACK DENIAL WHILE THE MAJORITY OF PUERTO RICO HAS EMBRACED THEIR AFRICAN CULTURE AND ROOTS.
STEVED
June 6, 2012, 2:39pm (report abuse)IN PUERTO RICO"Black" suddenly began to disappear from one census to another(within 10 years' time),(SAME AS THE CROATAN LUMBEE DID)
It also appears that the "black" element within the culture was simply disappearing possibly due to the popular idea that in the U.S. one could only advance economically and socially if one were to pass for "white".
AMONG THE LUMBEE BLACK AND MULATTO DISAPPEARED ALLTOGETHER,
AMONG THE LUMBEE 30,000 MULATTOS IN ROBESON COUNTY SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED ON ONE CENSUS AND REAPPEARED ON THE NEXT AS "indians" BELEIVE THAT AND THIS WAS THE BIRTH OF THE CROATAN MYTH AND LEGEND AS INDIANS FROM MULATTO FORMERLY BEFORE THAT AS FREE NEGROES OR COLORED.
STEVED
June 6, 2012, 6:46pm (report abuse)THE TRUTH IS YOUR TRIBE AND BILLS HAVE FAILED ALWAYS AND YOURE TRIBE HAS MIS-REPRESENTED ITS TRUE HERITAGE OVER AND OVER,NO FEDERAL BENEFITS RECOGNITION FOR LUMBEES.ALL YOUR UN VERIFIED RESEARCH HAS FAILED LOCKNESS AND THATS THE OUTCOME !! THE PUBLIC WINS !!
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 8:16am (report abuse)Virginia Demarce is a complete hack who came to the BAR/OFA with an already established belief in Melungeon that she herself practically created. To know her is to know a person whose own Indian fantasy didn't work out and so due to her own identity insecurities, she has gone around attacking others. DNA, race does not define tribal communities.
A. LocklearJune 6, 2012, 5:18pm (report abuse)
I like this one too.
US VITAL RECORDS.
Mr. Sunray writes,
"For instance, the Cherokee Nation [of Oklahoma] has outwardly supported the Lumbee tribe’s efforts for federal recognition through Congress with many past and current principal chiefs making public statements to the fact. Including, the recently deceased Wilma Mankiller who was principal chief from 1985-1995. Ironically, unlike their brothers and sisters to the West, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians [of North Carolina] have consistently opposed Lumbee efforts for federal recognition."
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 8:20am (report abuse)Dr. Alamo Duyufuss theorizes,
"UN VERIFIED RESEARCH HAS FAILED LOCKNESS AND THATS THE OUTCOME "
"WHAT'S FAILED LOCKNESS?" ARE YOU ON THAT SCOTTISH KICK AGAIN AND NOW TRYING TO BRING NESSIE THE "LOCHNESS" MONSTER INTO THIS? YOU MUST BE LIVING IN A LITTLE MYTH DREAMWORLD. I'VE HEARD ABOUT REACHING FOR STRAWS, BUT THAT'S RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 8:26am (report abuse)1957 LUMBEE LAW! CAN DR. ALAMO DUYUFUSS, SAY
1957 LUMBEE LAW?
GOOD, I KNEW YOU COULD!
CAN YOU SAY ANTHROPOLOGISTS, HISTORIANS, ARCHAEOLOGISTS, FAMILY HISTORIES, AND VERIFIED GOVERNMENT RESEARCHERS!
TOO BAD,
BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME!
I KNOW YOU JUST CAN'T WRAP YOUR MIND AROUND SO MUCH INFORMATION.
WE WILL WIN! HIDE AND WATCH
steved
June 7, 2012, 12:08pm (report abuse)1934 Tribal leaders,calling themselves The"Cherokee Indians of Robeson County"join the National Congress of American Indians.
1952 Dropping"Cherokee"following the leadership of D.F.Lowrie the tribe votes to adopt the name"Lumbee"after the Lumber River.
what a bunch of identity thieves these Lumbees,I bet the Cheraw (Saura) are turning over in their graves sayings who the heck is this band of mulattos posing as our descendants!
it seems mr lowery been at this deception a long time!
steved
June 7, 2012, 12:14pm (report abuse)as for your lumbee act ,it is an empty act,it contains nothing and if facts bars lumbee from funding and the BIA,it was intended to get rid of the lumbee and their fake claim by denying funds and cutting of your BIA route so that you would stop bugging the taxpayers for funds and wasting taxpayers time with a unverified claim.The act contains ZERO benefits,it is like the lumbee indian heritage,EMPTY,the lumbee act was to please some lumbee voters with a slick claim to a mythical heritage and has no value and thats why yall wanna change it now because its empty like a lumbees Indian heritage empty.The lumbee though they were slick but the politicians were slicker.
STEVED
June 7, 2012, 12:18pm (report abuse)NOT TOO BAD FOR ME TOO BAD FOR YOU,IM RECOGNIZED AND HAPPY THE LUMBEE ARE NON-FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED AND SEEKING IT,THATS WHY YALL WANT WHAT REAL RESERVATION INDIANS HAVE BUT YALL ARENT NATIVE,SO WASTE YOUR TIME AND RESOURCES AT IT,IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN AND NEVER HAS.BOTTOM LINE....FACT BEATS FICTION...EVERY TIME YOUR BILL POPS UP WE SQUASH IT AND THATS WHAT THE TAXPAYERS AND THE PUBLIC DEMANDS..CHECKS AND BALANCES..IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE NOT MYTH.
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 12:53pm (report abuse)Dr. Steve Alamo Dufuss wrote
...EVERY TIME YOUR BILL POPS UP WE SQUASH IT..
Who's we? David Corpone and Cara Coward 1/256 Watts!
Steve Alamo Duyukbill wrote:
IM RECOGNIZED AND HAPPY THE LUMBEE ARE NON-FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED
We're acknowledged Steve! NCAI struck down your "brain child" to disbar the state tribes.
If you are indeed, western Cherokee, you need to follow the way of your ancestors and support Lumbee recognition! Just like Wilma Mankiller (R. I. P.) You could blog and be on the right side for once!! If you came over to the light, I could ask Steve Locklear to let you publish an article the Native Times (Lumbee newspaper)
We will win!! Hide and watch!!
STEVED
June 7, 2012, 1:13pm (report abuse)LUMBEE RECOGNITION ACT
JANUARY 20, 2010.—Ordered to be printed
Mr. DORGAN, from the Committee on Indian Affairs,
submitted the following
I strongly oppose both bills and will object to any Unanimous
Consent request to pass the bills in the full Senate.
Like many of my colleagues on this committee, I believe that the
Congress is ill-equipped to make these kinds of determinations on
a case-by-case basis. The list of groups seeking federal recognition
as sovereign tribal governments is large and growing. Congress has
neither the time, nor the expertise necessary to individually judge
each application to ensure its authenticity, accuracy, or completeness.
Frankly, Congressional recognition also lends itself to the
kind of political corruption this committee has worked so hard to
eradicate.
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 1:59pm (report abuse)1.Dark Water Rising (Lumbee Singing group)
http://www.thefayettevillefeed.com/dark-water-rising-surfaces
http://americanindiancenter.unc.edu/2011/02/08/american-indian-music-showcase/
2.Jana ( Lumbee Artist and singer)
http://www.turtletrack.org/Issues03/Co12132003/CO_12132003_Jana.htm
http://www.reverbnation.com/janamashonee
3. Chasity Lowery (Lumbee model)
http://nativeskins.tumblr.com/post/587367531/native-american-model-chasity-lowery-lumbee
3. Noah Hunt Lumbee Actor:
http://www.oregonlive.com/performance/index.ssf/2011/03/actor_noah_hunt_from_the_ghost.html
4. My cousin: Nora Dial-Stanley Lumbee Native Storyteller
http://www.wmoreau.com/pics/nora-dial.jpg
5. Morgan Hunt: Mrs. Lumbee, Mrs. UNCP, and Mrs. North Carolina runner up.
http://www.wmoreau.com/pics/morgan-hunt.jpg
RED MAN's LODGE
Have you looked these up yet Stevie?
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 2:03pm (report abuse)BUT STEVE DUFUSS,
CONGRESS MADE A LAW THAT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL WITH A FATAL FLAW. THE FATAL FLAW BEING THE LAST STATEMENT WHICH CONTRADICTS THE REST OF THE LAW.
IF YOU DIDN'T PICK UP YOUR TOYS AND LEFT THEM ALL OVER THE FLOOR. WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY WOULD IT BE TO PICK THEM UP? YOURS!
ALL THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS FOR CONGRESS TO CORRECT THE MISTAKE OF MAKING AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL/FATALLY FLAWED BILL CONSTITUTIONAL BY STRIKING THE LAST PHRASE. It's that simple! IF THE COURTS ARE FORCED TO DO IT, SO BE IT! BUT IT'S CONGRESS' RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX A BROKEN LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A. Locklear
June 7, 2012, 2:28pm (report abuse)TRUE,
Ask Nora who she is publicist (publicity manager for)? You can contact me! Make sure you tell her Chicora sent you! :>)
steved
June 8, 2012, 4:33pm (report abuse)The texas Tigua or tiwa already were a Puebloan tribe spain gave them 36,000 acre reservation in the desert and the state recognized that land grant,they have a land claim and land grant and were involved in the pueblo revolts against spain in 1680,they had recognition as indians always they simply needed it restored after texas became its own republic of texas(its own country basically),seizing all indian lands.all they neede was a federal restoration of a known historic fact and not a myth such as the lumbee croatan myth.they were never mulattos but always indians and retained that identity.
the lumbee and tiwa have nothing in common as far as history one group the tiwas have always been indian with a land claim and reservation of the pueblos
but the lumbee have never been indian but negro white or mulatto in historical records and have never had a land claim or issued any based on being indians and have never been federally recognized historically or officially.
steved
June 8, 2012, 4:35pm (report abuse)the lumbee act was quite constitutional it was it petitioners that were falsely claiming to be a different culture every few years based on the political mood without any historical basis to such a claim only myths and legends of the lost colony or claiming to be some other extinct tribe to gain a benefit and escape jim crow racism to pass as other than negro or mulatto.
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 7:58am (report abuse)A CHEROKEE JUST SAYINGJune 10, 2011, 12:02am (report abuse)
A CHEROKEE JUST SAYING WROTE:
@steve in 1830 the Cherokee's Nation were removed from their land in the southeastern U.S. and forced to O.K. took the route known as THE TRAIL OF TEARS among the Cherokee's were blacks slaves free blacks that were married to Cherokee's and children of mixed race families know as BLACK CHEROKEE'S in 1866 declared that BLACK CHEROKEE'S also know as Cherokee Freedmen were to be made citizens of the Cherokee Nation and have all rights of Cherokee so what is wrong with you steve truth as you can see your own people were mixed i say leave the LUMBEE PEOPLE alone you are just a RACIST STEREOTYPE and you call yourself CHEROKEE..... Shame, shame, shame
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 8:03am (report abuse)TRUE, do know my "cousin" Eric Locklear? Nora's been hard to reach!!!
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 2:23pm (report abuse)I was charged in federal Indian tribal court by members of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (one was the Attorney General and a co-founder of the now defunct Cherokee Task Force which attacks non-fed tribes, the other was the presiding judge, and another was on the Supreme Court which would have decided any appeals; that is called a stacked deck) They charged me with "threatening and harassing". Let me interpret that for everyone. "He undermines our belief that members of "non-federal" tribes are fakes and he has integrity in saying what he says by not hiding behind screen names on the internet. Since he doesn't agree with us and exposes the reality that most of our tribal citizenry are not identifiable and not culturally connected
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 2:24pm (report abuse)continued: (*as do many others I might add here), though we put all our brown citizens on our CNO website to project an image of authenticity....." I think we all know where this is going. The same prosecutor was calling me and our tribe, as well as many others, wannabes the week before. Even so, I was found guilty. People like it both ways. I went from receiving 6 months in jail to them saying they would take a fine of $250 and a guilty plee when it was all said and done. So I bowed to the pressure (kidding) and pleaded not guilty and gave them $0 dollars. They would never get a nickel out of me or an admission of any form of "guilt" What a bunch of hacks.
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 2:31pm (report abuse)I really like this quote:
Let me interpret that for everyone. "He undermines our belief that members of "non-federal" tribes are fakes and he has integrity in saying what he says by not hiding behind SCREEN NAMES ON THE INTERNET. Since he doesn't agree with us and exposes the reality that MOST OF OUR TRIBAL CITIZENS ARE NOT IDENTIFIABLE AND NOT CULTURALLY CONNECTED.
What do you to say about that Steve Dufuss and Raycist!!!!!! (That's Raymond, BTW, his new name)
A. Locklear
June 9, 2012, 8:12pm (report abuse)This is another reference from Mr. Sunray's site showing how petty Dr. Stevie Truth or Stevie Duyukbill employers are:
2) The head of the Bureau of Indian Education sent me an email telling me that our daughter was not eligible to be involved in JOM any longer (even though she had always been involved). She was no longer eligible as she was not enrolled with a federal tribe in the US. We received another letter three years ago from a local school agency also, but it wasn't enforced. Schools were contacted by members of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (reportedly one mother who was 1/128 by blood because she doesn't like my comments). Our daughter is now no longer active in JOM
3. Three years ago we received a letter from IHS saying that she could no longer receive medical services through them, though she had been on IHS since just after she was born (she was born on the Six Nations Indian Reserve in Ontario, Canada). This was also instigated by a CNO citizen.
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