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S. 1218, The Lumbee Recognition Act (2768 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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S. 1218 would provide for the recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.

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NATION OF NATION

July 5, 2011, 8:42pm (report abuse)

I VOTED RECOGNITION FOR THE LUMBEE'S

Lala

July 5, 2011, 8:55pm (report abuse)

The Lumbee indians are not a historic tribe of native Americans and are not a tribe of aboriginal american indians but do however,self-identify as such.

The Lumbee/Croatan have no native American Indian language or customs attributed to them ,have no indian words or names and have never spoken any native American language.The Lumbee self-identify as Indian.

Lumbee are a mixed race group who are mostly White-Black with a smidge of Native blood(of indeterminate tribal affiliation). They had to downplay their African or mixed heritage and exigerate and overstate their "Native American" identity because of the intense racism in the past. They have been identified as mixed black/white ancestry from the 1700s and were speaking ENGLISH even in the earliest historical references. A considerable amount of genealogical research shows the majority of the founding "Lumbee" families descend from free black males and white females that came down from early Virginia settlements.

Lala

July 5, 2011, 8:56pm (report abuse)

The Lumbee participated in colonial life as "individuals" not as any recognized tribe. Paying taxes, buying property, mustering in colonial and American militias same as all other colonials.

Early colonial records list Lumbee ancestors "as is all "free negors "and mulattos" on kings land and that "no Indians "live in Robeson County area.

They were "never identified as an intact tribe that entered into a treaty with the US.

They have never been a sovereign nation or had reservation lands.

typically the Lumbee lived as "Individuals or free colonist on farms.

Firstnation again

July 5, 2011, 9:03pm (report abuse)

I can be fair and listen but based on the evidence they have no proof of Direct Native ancestry in many instances not even in their DNA.That is the most powerful science on earth to date.If you fail that chances are you are not that credible.They have tried to inbreed with each other to maintain a specific look. Many have very light skin, frizzy, kinky or straight,hair sometimes blondish looking. Light colored eyes and oblong funny looking faces.

Lumbee,Many even married white women or brought them into the mix to ensure they would not have too many with“Negroid”Features.

Firstnation

July 5, 2011, 9:03pm (report abuse)

If there are any Native blood lines it is very,very,very,very,very diluted. I think there was a study done on their DNA that said about 98% have non native male DNA. The figures for the maternal lineage is probably about the same.They try so hard to convince others and themselves that they are Native until it is pathetic.Have the history,the DNA, and and trace back to an original tribe at least not a made up one. They are some of the most prejudice folks I’ve every seen against other blacks when they share some of the same heritage. Really hypocrites at their best.Too much pride and no true history.

Firstnation

July 5, 2011, 9:05pm (report abuse)

"They try so hard to convince others and themselves that they are Native until it is pathetic.Have the history,the DNA, and and trace back to an original tribe at least not a made up one or extinct one.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 5, 2011, 10:52pm (report abuse)

Very Good post Cherokee and so TRUE!

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 5, 2011, 10:54pm (report abuse)

@ Steve The Lying Cherokee Truth:

I see you went and got some help! Waite, I was wondering where you have been the last day or two. You probably wrote all of these post yourself.

I noticed some of the new post were copy and paste from previous post with different names and you call me the fake.

By the Way the Cherokee did NOT GO THROUGH the current recognition process. They were recognized by CONGRESS in the same manner the Lumbee request!!!

Anyone who wants the real history of the Lumbee should go back and read True Native Lumbee/Cheraw, Pony Hill, and Braveboy’s post to get a complete understanding of what Steve cannot seem to understand!

Even some fullblood Cherokee were listed as mixedbloods or Free people of color! That is a historical FACT!

Good Luck!

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 10:26am (report abuse)

I am an Oxendine,Lowery, Chavis, Locklier, Holmes... and I believe that all you "Lumbees" are full of it! It is funny how if someone disagrees with you, all of you become vulgar and enraged. We have very little indian, and this indian certainly is not "Lumbee". As my father, uncles and grandfather told us, this is just a name that two people fishing on the Lumber River came up with one day. All of you are just embarrassed to admit that we are a mixed race community. We did not come from the lost colony, and I can trace my ancestors back to the Virginia Colonies as indentured servants that came over on boats to the U.S. I feel sorry for all of you, because you are ashamed of your real culture, and you are missing out on the rich history that our family actually came from. I am a mixture that not very many people can claim, and I am proud that I am from a history of African, White, Portuguese, and more! How dare you deny where you actually come from, shame on you!!!

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 10:49am (report abuse)

A lot of you are using this forum to be prejudice. The people in Lumberton are of mixed race, but some of you on here have pushed it too far. There is one thing about not agreeing with the origin, but there is another issue when your post includes racial overtones. I have endured racism my whole life, and it tears a person apart emotionally. I have been shown prejudice from all races, and I am not sure where I fit into the colors of the world. But people need to learn that we are the same colors in a child's crayola box, and I have never seen a child not use all of the crayons. To be able to live in a world free from racism would be nice, but this will never occur. I will live in a society that will continue to remind me of my origins, and how history hasn't really changed much over time. I look in the mirror everyday and I see myself for who I am. So tell me? Why do you have to remind me of who I am with all the racist comments?

CHEROKEE

July 6, 2011, 12:01pm (report abuse)

@reparatrice you would think with the little bit of INDIAN you have in your family would count for something as i said on some of my post you can be1/8 1/4 1/2 INDIAN you need to be proud of your people not put them down it seems your are showing prejudice toward your own people. Are this is one of steve's tricks..if so learn from it this man will never give up he what you call a COWARD.....

LUMBEE

July 6, 2011, 12:25pm (report abuse)

@CHEROKEE I agree with you i think this is one of steve's lies...because as i read @reparatrice post they sure have contradicted every thing that was said sounds more like steve what a lie....

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:12pm (report abuse)

My people need to come to terms that the little very little indian that exist in us is not enough to really bank on! I had my DNA tested, and I am for certain that 2% indian would not really qualify me to based my whole heritage on any indian nation. My Oxendine roots go back to Northumberland Virginia. I am not ashame of my people, but ashamed of them denying their origin and history. I am a direct descended of Henry Berry Lowerie or Lowery the same one that came from a James lowery of Va. The one in the same Lowery that came from an out of wedlock dauther of John Lowery the Judge in VA. We are not "Lumbees" we are a racial mixture of people. Look it up yourselves, take a D.N.A. test, look at the historical facts, dates, and so on... Look at the facts with a non-biased eyes, because then and only then can you come back and speak intelligently.

My name is Oxendine and I am a direct descended of Alexander B. Oxendine, and the first OXENDINE OF VA. JOHN OXENDINE "FIGARO"

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:27pm (report abuse)

I am a direct decsendant of Ishmael Chavis. A direct descendant of Major Locklear,John Maynor about this one, Queenie Maynor. These are just paraphasing names but not in order of generations. So far, I have several thousand people on my family tree that I have been researching for more than 15 years. I have listened and tried to understand why my people are in denial. It is because this was a way to save themselves from the horrific scenes of slavey and racism. I don't need any of you telling me what I am , and how I should feel, because if you are not from this world than you could never understand the consequences of admitting your origin throughout history. I have some horrific stories of people coming in the middle of the night and stealing children, wives, husbands, even babies. I have stories of grief that is beyond your comprehension. For instance, a church parish coming into your house and taking all seven of your kids just because of your color.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:33pm (report abuse)

CHEROKEE:

With all due respect, please do not tell me what to feel and what I should and should not be ashamed of. My people have for years denied where they came from. It would be like your children denying you as a parent. When a group of people pretend to be something that they are not, that is shameful. The very little indian in my family is not "Lumbee". This is not the name of the originating tribe. Therefore, try to find the originating tribe and hang onto that heritage, because that would be your origins. Don't tell me that I am prejudice, I have endured prejudice beyond your wild imagination. The Lumberton people have this word for the kinky hair "bad hair" This is what I have. I have been endured prejudice within the boundaries of my own family because of the cover of this book. Therefore, Cherokee, do not speak of things that you would or could never understand.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:53pm (report abuse)

From the mouth of William (Boson) Chavis (Chavers)born 1758 in Quankey Pososin County, Virginia

"I am a black man & don't care to undertake such a thing" {Owen, Granville County Notes, vols. 1, 111}.

In 1753 William was taxable in Granville County on himself, his 2 children , and 7 slaves in the listof John Brantly, and in 1754 he was taxable on 13 persons including his wife Frances in the list of Edward Moore:

I have more facts of history, since some of you are quoting facts from history.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:56pm (report abuse)

Grandson of William Chavis:

Taxable in Bladen County with his unnamed wife Mulatoes from 1768 to 1774. He patented 100 acres in Bladen co. on the lower side of Long Swamp, northeast of Drowning Creek, on 14 May 1772. He and his wife sold this land on 20 Dec. 1774. He was taxable in Bladen Co. on 100 acres and one poll in Captain Cades' District in 1784. He sold another 100 acres on the south side of Long Swamp on 22 Jan. 1788 in what was then Robeson Co. and sold 100 acres on the north side of Back Swamp.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:58pm (report abuse)

Ishmeal Chavis, Grandson of William Chavis: Taxable in Bladen County with his unnamed wife Mulatoes from 1768 to 1774. He patented 100 acres in Bladen co. on the lower side of Long Swamp, northeast of Drowning Creek, on 14 May 1772. He and his wife sold this land on 20 Dec. 1774. He was taxable in Bladen Co. on 100 acres and one poll in Captain Cades' District in 1784. He sold another 100 acres on the south side of Long Swamp on 22 Jan. 1788 in what was then Robeson Co. and sold 100 acres on the north side of Back Swamp in 1796 and sold it eight years later to Thomas Lowry on 17 May 1804. He was head of a Robeson Co. household of 10 "other free" in 1790 and 8 in 1800.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 1:58pm (report abuse)

cont. was taxable in Bladen County with his unnamed wife ("Mulatoes") from 1768 to 1774 [Byrd, Bladen County Tax Lists, I:5, 14, 44, 60, 82, 95, 124, 134]. He patented 100 acres in Bladen County on the lower side of Long Swamp, northeast of Drowning Creek, on 14 May 1772 [Hoffman, Land Patents, II:265]. He and his wife Reigel sold this land on 20 December 1774 [DB 23:501]. He was taxable in Bladen County on 100 acres and one poll in Captain Cades' District in 1784. He sold another 100 acres on the south side of Long Swamp on 22 January 1788 in what was then Robeson County and sold 100 ares on the west side of Drowning Creek on 26 December 1795. He bought 100 acres on the north side of Back Swamp in 1796 and sold it eight years later to Thomas Lowry on 17 May 1804 [DB A:189; E:402; F:93; O:163]. He was head of a Robeson County household of 10 "other free" in 1790 [NC:48], and 8 in 1800 [NC:371].

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 2:51pm (report abuse)

I do understand that my people have endured prejudice their whole existance, therefore, trying to run away from their roots in VA is all they had to hang on to. Have you ever seen a grown man cry because of prejudice? I have, and it is heart wrenching to watch, especially if it is someone that you care about. I can understand why they latched onto the idea of indian heritage, even though it is not correct. The term "passsing" is a term that was used when a person ran away from their heritage because of the threat of racism and discrimination. I love my people in Lumberton, but I don't agree with all their ideas and beliefs.

Lala

July 6, 2011, 2:53pm (report abuse)

The Lumbee participated in colonial life as "individuals" not as any recognized tribe. Paying taxes, buying property, mustering in colonial and American militias same as all other colonials.

Early colonial records list Lumbee ancestors "as is all "free negors "and mulattos" on kings land and that "no Indians "live in Robeson County area.

They were "never identified as an intact tribe that entered into a treaty with the US.

They have never been a sovereign nation or had reservation lands.

typically the Lumbee lived as "Individuals or free colonist on farms.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 2:54pm (report abuse)

cont: When I visit my family I get a glimpse of my roots and origin, and I am so proud that they have survived the horrific consequences of slavary and racism. But their deep pride and closed mindedness is from an oral history of shame. But I try to understand why this oral history happened and why they tried so hard to run away from their roots. My dad served in the U.S. Army his whole adult life, and I am so proud of how far he went in his life. My dad ran away from Lumberton, and the roots that he came from. I endured racial profiling remarks, from black and white. I am from a family of seven children, and we certainly came out of all colors, because my mom was German and Irish. I guess this is why I don't judge people based on the color of their skin, because I do know how this feels. I don't need to have someone remind me of where I came from! I look in the mirror everyday, and I see the mixture, and I love and embrace every single part of who I am!

FirstNation

July 6, 2011, 2:55pm (report abuse)

Lumbee,They try so hard to convince others and themselves that they are Native until it is pathetic.Have the history,the DNA, and and trace back to an original tribe at least not a made up one. They are some of the most prejudice folks I’ve every seen against other blacks when they share some of the same heritage. Really hypocrites at their best.Too much pride and no true history.

SteveDuyukdv

July 6, 2011, 3:00pm (report abuse)

Atleast Reparatrice is intelligent and definitely has done her research correctly and accurately and is just trying to educate you lumbee that you have no documented indian roots or culture,it is all colonial black and white,european mixed,no braves or squaws only wishful thinking to hide an african european origin the Lumbee hold in shame for some reason STILL !! in 2011 !!

factstorian

July 6, 2011, 3:07pm (report abuse)

Lumberton/scuffleton was a african american settlement according to historic records.

"Lumberton is the seat of Robeson county, the stamping ground of Lowery's band. With one exception--and that disputable as the act of the band--no murder has been committed by the Lowerys beyond the lines of [p.12] this county. It contains, by the census of 1870, 3042 men above the age of twenty-one. By the census of 1850, the last preceeding census available at this point of view, it contained 639 whites unable to read, and had at that time 1,171 free negroes, or more than even the populous county in which Wilmington stands, and quintuple the free negro population of the adjacent counties".NewYork herald 1880,s.

"Scuffletown a few miles distant from Lumberton was one of the largest free Negro settlements in the United States before the war against slavery, and it was besides, "an almost Immemorial free negro settlement"

NewYork Herald 1880,s

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 3:10pm (report abuse)

Rebecca Chavis: Was a resident of Bristol Parish, Prince George County, on 11 November 1734 when she was bound out to John West and (her sister) Sarah Chaves was bound to William Macewen Amelia County was formed in 1734 from the part of Prince George County where John West and William Macewen were living, and Joh West, Sr., was a tithable there in the list of tithables below Deep Creek adjacent to Joh West, Sr., in 1736. In 1740 she was tithable in West's household, called Beck Chivers.

SteveTruth

July 6, 2011, 3:11pm (report abuse)

repost;factstorian

"Scuffletown a few miles distant from Lumberton was one of the largest free Negro settlements in the United States before the war against slavery, and it was besides, "an almost Immemorial free negro settlement"

NewYork Herald 1880,s So I rest my case with "IMMEMORIAL FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT" "LARGEST FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT IN THE USA"

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 3:11pm (report abuse)

cont: On 19 September 1740 tax list, Amelia County courhouse, and on 19 September 1740 the churchwardens of Raleigh Parish, Amelia County, were ordered to bind out her son Adam Chaves. On 26 August of 1756 the Amelia County court ordered the churchwardens of Nottoway Parish to bind out her children Betty and Pat; on 22 March 1759 the court ordered the churchwardens to bind out her unnamed children, and on 28 Aug. 1760 she was called a "Free Negro" when the court ordered the churchwardens of Nottoway Parish to bind out her children James, Ned, Patt, and Rebecca. A few months later in December 1760 the Lunenburg County court ordered the churchwardens of Cumberland Parish to bind out her son Ned. The Amelia County court ordered the churchwardens of Nottoway Parish to bind out her children Cain and Sherred on 24 March 1763, ordered her children Patt, Beck, and Molly bound out in 1764, and ordered her unnamed children bound out on 29 April 1768.

Stevetruth

July 6, 2011, 3:14pm (report abuse)

NewYork Herald 1880,s So I rest my case with Scuffleton/lumberton area

"IMMEMORIAL FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT" and "LARGEST FREE NEGRO SETTLEMENT IN THE USA"

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 3:18pm (report abuse)

My name: John Oxendine, born say 1694, was called "John Figrow (Mallatto)" on 18 November 1719 when Judith Bowling, servant of Ann Hould, came into Northumberland County, Virginia, court and swore that he was the father of "the child she was lately brought to bed with."(1) He was called "John Oxendine alias Figro" on 20 January 1724/5 when he brought a successful suit against Ann Hould and William Wildey and his wife Elizabeth in Northumberland County, Virginia, for his freedom from any service due to them [Orders 1713-19, 347; 1719-29, 167].

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 3:19pm (report abuse)

cont: He was living in Northumberland County in the 1730's when the birth dates were recorded for his children Benjamin, Jenne, Clark, and John [Fleet, Northumberland County Births, 112]. He was living in Bladen County, North Carolina, on 27 August 1753 when John Johnson, Jr., entered 100 acres whereon John Oxendine was living. He was called John Oxendine, Senr., when his improvements on the east side of Drowning Creek were mentioned in the 5 March 1759 Bladen County land entry of his son John Oxendine [Philbeck, Bladen County Land Entries, nos. 805, 1126]. On 28 November 1758 the Bladen County court recommended him to the General Assembly as a person to be excused from paying his taxes [Saunders, Colonial Records of North Carolina, V:1045]. His wife may have been Sarah Oxendine who was a white head of household in Bladen County in 1770, taxable on William Taner, a white man [Byrd, Bladen County Tax Lists, I:35]. John's children were

SteveTruth

July 6, 2011, 4:45pm (report abuse)

Robeson County Lumbee Family Origins

1640: Robert Sweat had child by a "negro woman servant" in James City County

1654: Michael Gowen, a "negro" servant, was freed in York County.

1660: Jacob Locklear, a Frenchman, completed his indenture in York County.

1667: Emanuel Cumbo, "Negro," was granted land in James City County.

1678: Peter Kersey, a "Negroe" 1700: Gabriel Jacobs, a "Negro" slave, was freed in Northampton County, Virginia.

1711: John Demery, a "Negro," was freed in Nansemond County.

1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County.

1718: Nicholas Manuel, a "negro slave," was freed in Elizabeth City County.

1719: John Oxendine, a "Mallatto," had a child by a white woman in Northumberland County.

a "mullattoe" slave in York County.

1754: Thomas Wilkins was indicted in Southampton County for failure to pay the discriminatory tax on free African American

1760s Randall Branch was a "Black" member of the Northampton County, North Carolina militia

steveT

July 6, 2011, 4:48pm (report abuse)

1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County is not an Indian origin name but is "scottish" like Braveheart.

Lumbee

July 6, 2011, 6:39pm (report abuse)

@CHEROKEE I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID and for @reparatrice so which it it are you LUMBEE are not well it dont matter to me we know you are really cherokee and any body can go to Ancestry.com and pull up all this crap you and your buddies tell a munch of lies you know nothing about the LUMBEE people

RECOGNITION

July 6, 2011, 6:42pm (report abuse)

I VOTED YES TO THE LUMBEE BILL I LOVE MY LUMBEE PEOPLE RECOGNITION OH YES.....

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 6:58pm (report abuse)

I don't know anything about the Lumbees? Just because you call yourself a lumbee doesn't mean you are one!! With all due respect Cherokee, just because Cherokee says he is Cherokee does not mean he is Cherokee. What do you want from me, to agree with you? So therefore, I would go on for over 15 years to study a history that doesn't belong to me?? Give me a break! What a convenient way to a less than credable argument. So, therefore, if I don't agree with you that means that I am not an Oxendine? Funny Man!!

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 7:00pm (report abuse)

And I am not a buddy I am Ms. Oxendine to you Lumbee.

LUMBEE

July 6, 2011, 7:55pm (report abuse)

@reparatrice i dont want nothing from you what do want Ms Oxendine talk crap that you and so called people know nothing about the lumbee's know one asked you to agree with any one on nothing you're the one who said you were Lumbee maybe you are right dont study about the Lumbee people your ignorance is not needed...

CHEROKEE

July 6, 2011, 8:01pm (report abuse)

@LUMBEE AMEN BROTHER THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DONT YOU JUST HATE DUMMIES

GOOD OLD BOY

July 6, 2011, 8:06pm (report abuse)

@Lumbee may be Ms Oxendine is what you call a good old gal that talks crap RECOGNITION FOR THE LUMBEE'S

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 8:31pm (report abuse)

You and all your good old boy system, hate when someone disagrees with you. Where is your DNA? Scared to death that you may not like the results. I certainly do not talk crap, and your behavior is really just a typical resentful so called "Lumbee". All of you get very angry when someone actually stands up to you. I am not a good old gal either. I am a woman of intelligents,open-mindedness, and the ability to see right through people like you. Like every other girl in Lumberton, I can take care of myself and stand up to your bullish tatics. But somehow I knew that it would come to blows from you guys, because after all, look where you are from. A community of hate, misrepresentation and the rules of warfare are to gang up on people. One day when you grow up maybe then, and only then, you can actually come back to this forum and speak intelligently without your bully tatics.

This is the same behavior that I have witnessed my whole life, some things never change.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 8:33pm (report abuse)

Lumbee, you certainly need to finish school, because your paragraph can be a subject of well, not how to succeed in college. Goes to show how ignorance can cross any boundary.

SteveTruth

July 6, 2011, 9:13pm (report abuse)

ms.reparatrice you know the good old boy system used to hang the good ole negroes ! yep ignorance of the so called lumbee,I agree,i havent heard any new Croatan/lumbee evidence to support an Indian origin in years and based on what has been presented over the last 100 years, we tax payers have been subjected to the con of the century,the myth and creation of a false origin and tribe of misrepresentation and i agree .I too cannot be bullied by the lumbee tactics either ,anyone that disagrees with their most favored ideas are threatned and bullied.no logical answers from any so called "Indian Lumbee",it seems a few people like reparatrice are the only ones willing to say"Hey we were wrong and my ancestors perpetrated a lie for whatever reasons" and now the Historians,genealogist,DNA,all shows that the mulattos were just that "Mulattos" and not any kinda Native american.

steve truth

July 6, 2011, 9:19pm (report abuse)

Lumbee corruption miisuse funds

The report states the agreement is not "necessary and reasonable" and "would not have been agreed to by a prudent person mindful of the responsibilities to the Tribe, tribal employees, the public at large and to the federal government."

The second complaint addressed Lowry-Townsend's time as consultant prior to her employment as tribal administrator.

Lowry-Townsend, whose primary job was to write a handbook for the Lumbee Tribe Boys and Girls Club, was paid at a rate of $110 per hour, totaling $30,312.48 for her services.

HUD found that Lowry-Townsend was paid without being held to a consultant contract and without efforts for proper competitive procurement, both violations prompting HUD to require the money to be reimbursed by the Lumbee Tribe.

stevetruth

July 6, 2011, 9:19pm (report abuse)

The tribe must reimburse $69,295.19, the cost of its contract to Tiber Creek Associate, a Washington, D.C. consulting firm hired to assist with the Lumbee housing program.

That money was part of the $245,701 spent on consulting contracts from Jan. 1, 2010, to March 31, 2011, an amount that HUD said was "of concern" and would be reviewed in-depth during the next regularly scheduled HUD review.

The report said that the tribe would have to reimburse funds spent on a trip to Las Vegas on March 11-14 for the Reservation Economic Summit that was not approved by the HUD secretary and did not contain housing-related training, as was claimed by the tribal government.

The cost of the trip, according to the report, was estimated to be at least $14,950

stevetruth

July 6, 2011, 9:24pm (report abuse)

By the way reparatrice that guy using the handle Cherokee is no Cherokee" he is just a wannabee who couldnt make the cherokee rolls so he is backstabbing the recognized tribes and supporting his corrupt allies here.no cherokee would call himself simply that name as though he speaks for any cherokee nation.He doesnt get the honor of speaking for any one but himself.

Beth Robertson

July 6, 2011, 9:27pm (report abuse)

Too many Wanabes in North/South Carolina I am Navajo (ENROLLED) and Sisseton-Wahpeton and any other Native American visiting me from Navajo Land or Lake Traverse can not believe these people (Waccamaw, Lumbee etc). They take pictures and show every body on the rez. We have a joke "come to South or North Carolina and you too can start your own tribe the SC Commission of MINORITY Affairs will recognize you". I was told by a SC state recognized tribal CHIEF (now that title chief should raise the red flag), "boy, you look like a real Indian, do you want to join the Waccamaw.

Mrs Ruth Oxendine

July 6, 2011, 9:46pm (report abuse)

@Ms Oxendine to bad your DNA has you all mixed up my dont i know all about my lumbee back ground you are the only Oxendine i have every heard of that dont know about their heritage oh well what you dont know you should not comment keep your mixed up comment too yourself you know nothing about my people you are a backstabbing unknown

CHEROKEE

July 6, 2011, 9:53pm (report abuse)

@STEVE YOU DONT KNOW WHAT I AM BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE I'M FOR ALL INDIAN PEOPLE I STAND FOR JUSTICE YOU'RE A WANABE CHEROKEE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TRUTH YOU NEED TO HIDE IN A CRAVE SOME WHERE...LUMBEE'S KEEP STANDING UP FOR YOUR PEOPLE LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD THROUGH ALL INDIAN LANDS I AM FOR YOUR QUEST....

LUMBEE

July 6, 2011, 10:01pm (report abuse)

@REPARTRICE THAT'S OK I GOT MY POINT ACROSS TO YOU- YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID DID NOT LIKE UH RECOGNITION FOR THE LUMBEE'S

NAVAJO ENROLLED

July 6, 2011, 10:19pm (report abuse)

@BETH I HOPE YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF CAUSE ALL NAVAJO DON'T FEEL THE SAME WAY YOU DO I HOPE THE LUMBEE PEOPLE GET RECOGNITION CAUSE A LOT OF NAVAJO AGREE WITH ME ONLY THE CHEROKEE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT SO WHAT WILL YOU GAIN FROM YOUR CRITICISM.....

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 10:27pm (report abuse)

Mrs. Ruth Oxendine, my DNA is the same as yours, therefore, you are as mixed up as I am. I feel so sorry for you and the people that will keep denying the truth. I can certainly speak clearly on this subject matter. You just don't like what I have to say. But all of you keep going on with your lies and escapes of our heritage. You are no more indian than Moses was a Roman. Where is your DNA results? What is your heritage Mrs. Ruth Oxendine? Who were your parents, grandparents, and so on...? At least I shared mine. My father also told us, for the most part, that he would have never married anyone from Lumberton, because all of you are related. I bet Mrs. Oxendine you are a cousin of my father and myself.

Mrs Ruth Oxendine

July 6, 2011, 10:51pm (report abuse)

@reparatrice you are no cousin of mine you clearly no nothing about my family you are denying the truth about the lumbee people i am 66 years old and i know all about my heritage i love my people and you better believe i am Native American you are a big lie...oh yes you shared a munch of lies on the Lumbee people

LOCKLEAR

July 6, 2011, 10:56pm (report abuse)

ok haters keep it coming you make me laugh with your false statements..Mrs Ruth I LOVE YOU stand by you comments RECOGNITION FOR OUR PEOPLE

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 11:02pm (report abuse)

Oh, so you don't know Wheeler Oxendine or Ruby Chavis???

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 11:11pm (report abuse)

The Hunts that live off of 95 are my family also. My family used to hang tobacco in a building down in Fairmont, NC.

My line goes me, Oscar D. Oxendine, Wheeler, Daniel, Rachel, Alexander B. Oxendine. Rachel had Daniel out of wedlock.

Ruby Chavis, John Henry Chavis,Amaziah Chavis,William Chavis

My brother is on your so called Lumbee Rolls.

NANA

July 6, 2011, 11:19pm (report abuse)

I see steve the truth is up to his no good self where the hell did you get your info Lumberton has never been a black town you mean the white man town i am a black women from Lumberton by the way steve you are still a punk ass cherokee that hate black people

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 6, 2011, 11:30pm (report abuse)

Do you know what is so funny, not one of you has encouraged me to look at the Lumbee Tribe. Not one of you has tried to educate me.

No, instead you condemn me. What a shame, because anyone of you had the chance to greet me with some facts and or literature to help me understand.

As a christian, I would encourage or present literature to someone who does not believe in God or has doubts about God. I would not condemn or ridicule, because they didn't have the same belief system as me.

LOCKLEAR

July 7, 2011, 12:04am (report abuse)

@reparatrice if you really want to know about the Lumbee people dont attack them with your false comments there is alot of literature on the Lumbee's educate yourself read all that was posted on the Lumbee's you have to encourage yourself so you need to stop condemning the Lumbee's God Bless You on your quest on heritage of the Lumbee people

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:33am (report abuse)

@reparatrice: Please read all my previous post on both bills.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:42am (report abuse)

Although I have not been a part of this conversation I have presented connections to the Cheraw, the Natives of the Indian Woods Reservation in Bertie County which would include the Nansemond, Saponi, Pamunkey, and Tuscarora tribes on the previous HR27 bill.

Many of the Chavis’, Lowerys, Bass, Cumbo, and others were living on that reservation (as INDIAN PEOPLE) and were recorded as Indian people.

I also have presented connections to the Cheraw that were documented as living in Robeson County by the Horry Times Newspaper.I have that cited in an earlier post as well.

I know our people have white blood and many, by this time in history, may have black blood as many other tribes INCLUDING THE CHEROKEE but that does not abrogate what Indian blood we do have.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:45am (report abuse)

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. WE ARE MORE NATIVE AMERICAN than any other blood!

I did not start this research yesterday. I too have been studying the Lumbee and the Indians of the South Eastern United States for more than thirty years. I have a degree in American Indian Studies, History, and a Maters’ in Social Studies Education and I not only work with various Lumbee groups but I work with Native American groups in general.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:47am (report abuse)

We, the Lumbee Cheraw people, not only self Identified as Native American since colonial times but were referred to as Indians by our neighbors, newspapers, churches, and schools since contact.

Yes we, as a conglomeration of Indian Tribes, were not called Lumbee before 1956 but adopted that name to include our various tribes and reject the North Carolina label of Cherokee Indians of Robeson County. Initially our people did not petition for the Cherokee name but some did hold to it after receiving it.

Yes the government (court records/tax records etc..) did refer to anyone that was Native, Native and White, Black and Native, or even FULLBLOODED Cherokee as White, Black, Mulatto, and Free Persons of Color. That is a FACT and if you read all my previous post you will see I have sourced all of this information in earlier post.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:50am (report abuse)

In Virginia State where many of our ancestors did come from the Virginia State government had a Eugenics program headed by Walter Ashby Plecker in the early 1900’s. Plecker was a member of the Eugenics movement that went back and erased any reference to Native American or Indian on tax records, land deeds, birth certificates, death certificates, school records and so on. He replaced Indian with Negro or Mulatto.

(http://home.mindspring.com/~dbbowden/id29.html). Check for yourself.

It happed and if I am not mistaken the list that STEVE TRUTH presents as our Negro heritage are all from Virginia. That means all of those could have been changed by Pleacker.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:52am (report abuse)

Con:

It was Virginia law to list all people that were not pure White or Black as Negro or Mulatto. This also became law to do this throughout the Southern states the closer you get to the Civil War. Check it. It is not hard to find.

Then researchers with any type of motivation to derail the Lumbee Bill can go back and refer to those records and say, “see, they’re not Indian. They’re black.” Steve won’t tell you all of this because it is true, it happened, and it is part of his evidence against the Lumbee.

In my class I call this Bureaucratic Genocide.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 1:56am (report abuse)

Don’t even mention DNA!!! No one has ever taken a controlled sample of DNA from the Lumbee and that is a FACT!! If so. Who did! Give the source and not that bogus DNA website.

These guys say, “and DNA supports Negro heritage” to imply that someone with African American blood now has their Native blood in void. That is Racist and they call us Racist.

The DNA website Steve will refer to from time to time is an advertised site. That means they solicit advertisers and their main purpose is to make money but you, as an individual, can post your DNA results there. That would also mean anyone could post “DNA” results and claim to be Lumbee. STEVE may even have his on there. That site is NOT reliable.

You may have your own DNA results and that is fine but that does not constitute the other 60,000 people.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 8:00am (report abuse)

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw,

With all due respect, there is a bunch of us that has had DNA test, by independent labs. I am not studying the Lumbees. I am part of them!! Whether anyone in this forum believes me or not I am a direct descendant. My father used to tell us stories about people in Lumberton, and when I went to Lumberton as an adult, then I did become curious about my origins. My dad ran away from Lumberton and did not go back unless there was a funeral. When my grandmother Ruby Chavis died was the first time I encountered my family. As an adult I then started my search of where I was from. My dad also talked about prejudice and how they would go to fayetteville to go see a movie, but would have to sit in I believe the balcony because of their color. I am not doing a independent study nor am I trying to discredit anyone. I have tried and tried to find out, because of my own sake. Most of you that have lived in the confines of N. Carolina or even S. Carolina have

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 8:14am (report abuse)

cont. never witnessed racism or discrimination like me or some other people have endured. When I was in college, I did a paper in Eng. Comp. about our people. The instructor bombarded me with origins of my people, and I got a low grade on my paper. Why? Because I did not do the correct research with reliable sources. When I visited the "Lost Colony" I was proud of my heritage and the tour guide ridiculed me in front of all the tourist. One of those tourist asked me, "What do I call you"? Now when I went to Lumberton as an adult, my dad's cousin greeted us in the front yard with a gun. This was a Lowery. Then my people told me that I came out with "bad hair", because it is kinky. As a stranger walking down Lumberton streets even as dark as I am and with the kinky hair, green eyes. I was greeted unkindly to say the least. It seems that you guys have shut yourself into that town, but won't let anyone in, not even your own.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 8:24am (report abuse)

I even lived in Lumberton for a year to understand my people, my son went to your school. I will not go into that right now. I have revealed so much about myself, and I am feeling very uneasy. My family has endured enough, and doesn't need any more hardship. My father died a couple of years ago. And I desperately wanted connections, because I miss him so much. But to my surprise, Lumbees are very unwelcoming even if they are your own family. If any Lumbee wants to know more I would be glad to share more of my personal life with them, but I have said too much, after all, this is a public forum. To be told that I am not part of you, and that I don't belong to my own people is just confirming the information that I do have. How many of you have revealed so much on a public forum? What do you expect from me when people attack me? I did not come on attacking. I came on with opposing beliefs from yours. This is how I was raised.

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 8:31am (report abuse)

How many Lumbee indian women do you know that won't speak their mind? None! Instead of greeting your opposition with anger, educate them. Many people come on curious, but leave with opinions that you really don't want to hear. I am not attacking you, I am stating my opinion. After all, this is a country that offers freedom of speech. Being nice is not a weakness!!!

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 10:56am (report abuse)

I was raised basically in Lawton, OK. My dad retired there. The Commanche tribe is one of the most welcoming and willing, to educate outsiders to their heritage and traditions. I was accepted just like one of their own. There used to be this older indian man that I knew, and when my parents went through a divorce he used to pick me up from school and take me to the store (JC Pennys) and buy me clothes,shoes & etc. He did not have to do this. The Commanche tribe helps beyond their borders. They know how prejudice and discrimination feels, therefore, they help children beyond their nation. There is some thing about an Indian's soul. The indian resides within their souls, and their tradition and history is shown through their actions. This man taught me so much about giving and how to have the utmost pride in oneself. This is where I learned the pride of the indian. No matter how small the indian traces are inside my blood; I cherish that line.

Lumbee

July 7, 2011, 11:54am (report abuse)

@reparatrice i will not waist my time with you because you are not lumbee and never will be you are one of steve's play toy that write a munch of lies about the lumbee people you are a good lier steve has taught you well you had me feeling sorry for you oh man you're good Recognition for the Lumbee's ok Lumbee's as you can see these cherokee's will try anything and reparatrice is part of their lies

reparatrice

(logged-in user) July 7, 2011, 12:41pm (report abuse)

Lumbee, I don't even know who Steve is. He is just another person on this forum. I was in search of who I was and where I come from. We obviously disagree with one another on many things, but I do know one thing. Not you or anyone can take away what I was born into. I am an Oxendine and will always be an Oxendine. What do you base your judgment on, that I am lying? For all of you that lived in Lumberton all your lives, does anyone know my Great Aunt Clarissa Oxendine? She is my great aunt, and she lost her arm in a farming accident. My sweet Aunt Polly Oxendine died of breast cancer. Lumbee, you won't find this information on ancestry. Lumbee, I feel so sorry for you, because you are filled with such strong anger. Kindness is not a weakness.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 7, 2011, 4:54pm (report abuse)

I never lived in Lumberton. I lived in Robeson County until I was eight and then my parents moved to Greensboro for work. I moved back to Robeson when I was around 30.

I have long straight black hair, brown skin, and dark brown eyes but even with that I too faced racism on a daily basis in Greensboro from both Black and White people. To Blacks I was White and to Whites I was Black. I never even heard the “N” word or half-breed until we moved up there. My people have always accepted me because we maintained continuous contact with the tribe.

Why do you think I fight so hard against Steve and anyone else that questions my Indianess? A big part of it is racist attitudes against me for both claiming to be Indian and claiming to be Lumbee.

I never said there was No Lumbee to have DNA test. I said there has never been a controlled sample DNA test completed by professional researchers. That is a FACT!

SteveTruth

July 7, 2011, 5:28pm (report abuse)

Mr.fake native i see you do a great job at condeming one of your own females with an opinion ,its opinions are not allowed in wannabee lumpee land i guess but i am native and i do not fear you or your ignorant tribe of corruption ,ripping off HUD and you have buried yourselves in Lies and dishonesty for a CASINO and HUD dollars that is how i know you Lumbees are not Native American you have no true honor or pride only a false sense of identity as unknown lost colony or croatan whatever you change it too this year, a real native american tribe would of known from the very beggining that they were Cheraw or whatever.Your ancestors swore to the CROATAN story 100 years ago said it was passed down as CROATAN by their forebears not cheraw,keyauwee or anything else,they would of known this but they didnt because it is a modern construct,a fabrication to get an historical tribe under you for federal benefits and nothing more!The lumbee overstate and exigerate any Indian heritage.

steve truth

July 7, 2011, 5:44pm (report abuse)

A LUMBEE WROTE THIS!!! what a joke wannabee!

Wikadé yé sumuu, Ya?swα!! Taredu yé mukasankuré???

whats this crap!!! haha

THIS IS THE CRAP LUMBEE CREATE I NEEDED A GOOD LAUGH AGAIN!!

In this age of language revivals, I am one who is participating in the revival of my people's language. It is true that the Lumbee are a nation of nations, like the Seminole. We have Algonkian as the Mattamuskeet and some of Manteo's people came among us, Iroquois as the Tuscarora are still alive and well, but overwhelmingly SIOUAN. I have never heard a Cherokee speak their language, but understand they are also reviving their language. Kurí haré - it is good!

I had to reprint this crap,i needed a laugh !!!imagine some fool trying to type and print a dead language he got off the internet,if it wasnt passed down dont fake it Lumpee,it is a pathetic attempt to steal another tribes language and culture again by a lumpee .you are not Siouan and never will be maybe next year lumbee will change it again.

James Lowery

July 7, 2011, 6:00pm (report abuse)

Origin of the Croatan Indians. As told by James Lowry of Robeson Raleigh,

Location: Thaddeus S. Ferree Southern Historical Collection. Manuscripts Department. Wilson Library. University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

James Lowry traces Lumbee origins back to Sir Humphrey Gilbert,who sailed to the American coast in 1583 with two ships,the Golden Hind and the smaller Squirrel. A hurricane hit,and most of Gilbert's and his crew weathered the storm, repaired the Squirrel as best they could, and sailed to Roanoke Island in North Carolina.At Roanoke Island they waited for rescue, but no one came. The crew intermarried with the Indians; Sir Humphrey married Cherona,the daughter of Chief Cahwachaw.When Chief Cahwachaw died, he asked Sir Humphrey to be chief of the tribe. The Indians wanted more wealth, so they convinced Sir Humphrey to lead them west. When they reached Robeson County, Sir Humphrey, who was elderly, died. The Indians buried him there and settled near his grave.

LUMBEE

July 7, 2011, 6:03pm (report abuse)

@reparatrice don't feel sorry for me my anger is people like you who know nothing about the Lumbee people there is no hope for you even if i would try to tell you about my people all you would do is pass judgement..you even pass judgement on your own so called family your words are alot like steve the truth..why do fight against the lumbee's? any body can make up a sad sad story you are right kindness is not a weakness may be you should try a little kindness toward the Lumbee People. I sill think your are not who say you are and by the way i do know a clarissa oxendine and a polly oxendine good people but not from lumberton....

steve truth

July 7, 2011, 6:07pm (report abuse)

Early reports of Lumbee circa 1900:

Speaking of the language of this people, Mr.McMillan says:

The Croatan/Lumbee have no Indian names

and no Indian language-not even a single word-

and know nothing of Indian customs and habits.

The language spoken By Croatan is almost pure Anglo Saxon,

Col. Fred A. Olds, a newspaper correspondent of Raleigh, says of their language:

The language spoken by the Croatans is a very pure but quaint old Anglo-Saxon, and there are in daily use some 75 words which have come down from the great days of Raleigh and his mighty mistress, Queen Elizabeth. These old Saxon words arrest attention instantly. For man they say "mon," pronounce father "feyther," use "mension" for measurement, and many other words in daily use by them have for years been entirely obsolete in English-speaking countries.

Lumbee want recognition when there is nothing to recognise definitely not Indians and not worthy of the BIA inclusion and full federal recognition our tax dollars

SteveTruth

July 7, 2011, 6:09pm (report abuse)

Lumbee you cannot go back and fake an non-existant culture,thats not called revival,its called frauds and Fakes!!

Early reports of Lumbee circa 1900:

Speaking of the language of this people, Mr.McMillan says:

The Croatan/Lumbee have "no Indian names "

and no Indian language-"not even a single word"-

and know" nothing of Indian customs and habits".

The language spoken By Croatan is almost "pure Anglo Saxon",

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