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H.R. 589, The Emergency Unemployment Compensation Expansion Act of 2011 (15290 comments ↓)

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H.R. 589 would amend title IV of the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2008 to provide for additional weeks of first-tier emergency unemployment compensation.

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Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 6:10pm (report abuse)

@Beatrix

I spend a fair amount of time talking to vets that did multiple tours.

Our soldiers are being pushed to the breaking point far too much after this many years of war...

Some have done 8 tours...

Some will inevitably snap.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 6:23pm (report abuse)

By the way, as nice as the weather we have been having recently is, it is far from normal. The only real snow we had here was October blizzard, which was unheard of. Last year broke all the records for snow.

Really, really strange...

Same Old

March 18, 2012, 6:48pm (report abuse)

@Patriots

@Really, really strange...

As much as I hate to question your "conspiracy" mentality. (laugh) I've read it's due to the jet stream staying north & not pushing cold air down from Canada It's happened before but not often. Something similar happened here in 1945. 1945? Hmm? You probably remember that right?

Food thing you mentioned is kinda scary but then you believe in all that 2012 end of the world crap. I used to know a gal who was heavily into astrology. She was pretty smart too even had a Phd. I think the whole astrology concept is BS but it's amazing how they use a form of applied psychology to correctly predict actions and even outcomes then somehow try to relate to some supernatural event. Superstition & religion are in the same category but having said who knows? It's impossible to prove it doesn't exist either. I read some scary prediction in the 70s about events in the mid 80s, then to hear later how close we got to WWIII with the Soviets. Makes you wonder..

@ Patriots

March 18, 2012, 7:12pm (report abuse)

@Oh come on now, everyone knows who John Holmes was :)

I don't. Should we all?

@I was a lot younger back then too ;)

You are apparently hung up -- obsessed -- with age (yours, that is). You’ve mentioned it several times here. Sort of odd, considering, as I recall your saying, you're still in your 50s. That ain't old. Besides, we’re all getting old... no point complaining about it.

Hell... I was older than many of them when I got a C64.

I was a technical contractor at Commodore during the C64 days, starting around 1980. I owned (bought) three C64s, a C128, one of their IBM XT clones, and used a borrowed Amiga from them to work at home on their projects. Interesting times.

@I can fix your vacume tubes though :)

How do you fix vacuum tubes? You might be able to extend the life of some tubes a little by “baking them” at a high temperature, but otherwise, how do you fix vacuum tubes? As far as I know, when they go bad, they’re not repairable.

--NBNG

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:02pm (report abuse)

@NBNG

I meant vacuum tube electronic devices...

Jeeze!

@Sort of odd, considering, as I recall your saying, you're still in your 50s. That ain't old.

When your eyesight, hearing, and too many other things seem to keep getting worse every day after a point, I call that old enough. Recently I faced the fact that I can no longer work at any job that requires me to drive in the dark because of my night blindness now. I have a hard time even driving a couple miles on familiar roads at night now. How many jobs are there where you never have to drive in the dark?

And yes you should know who John was :)

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:05pm (report abuse)

@Food thing you mentioned is kinda scary but then you believe in all that 2012 end of the world crap

Well then tell me what reason gov would have to increase food stockpiles 7000% and spend billions doing it now....

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:08pm (report abuse)

@I was a technical contractor at Commodore during the C64 days

I bet you even had Pong too :)

I jumped from a C64 to a 8286 just so I could play Wing Commander...

I was in that field at that time too.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:17pm (report abuse)

When you wonder why they ordered enough meals for 14 million people (according to the RFP listing), and then wonder why they want the military to be able to detain you forever with no charges, and then wonder why they feel they need to be able to kill you on the basis of secret laws....

It really makes you think about what they could be thinking about.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:22pm (report abuse)

Thats interesting...

One of my... things keeps popping up saying it blocked Google Analytics when I'm not doing anything. That normally only happens when you reload a page. Hmmm.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:27pm (report abuse)

By the way NBNG I still have one of those devices they had back then that were supposed to recondition vacuum tubes. Sometimes they actually worked. I learned about them in tech school...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:28pm (report abuse)

I actually fixed my parents TV with one long ago...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 18, 2012, 10:31pm (report abuse)

A procedure to recondition power tubes

http://www.sm5bsz.com/recondit.htm

Same Old

March 19, 2012, 12:04am (report abuse)

@Patriots

@you wonder why they ordered enough meals for 14 million people

Did they? Not to be too critical but a lot can be exaggerated or misconstrued.--and frankly you often see the worst case scenario.

Oh can your handy-dandy vacuum repair machine fix light bulbs? Just asking (laugh)

@--NBNG

I had a commodore Pet. I'm not sure how that fits in the time line but I think it was somewhere in the mid to late 70s. It never worked right. Not sure if that was the unit or me. My skill were very basic at the time though I remember I could program in COBOL & Assembler but not Basic which I had to learn on the fly. I was having a problem getting the compilers. There was something else wrong it used freeze up all the time. I complained so much they agreed to take it back. My career went in a different direction & sort of forgot about computers until the late 80s but for some reason it was a lot of fun. I used to stay up practically all night playing with that thing.(laugh)

@Patriots 6:08pm

March 19, 2012, 12:48am (report abuse)

@I bet you even had Pong too :)

Yeah, but got tired of it in a few days. I put it a drawer, and there ir remained for quite a while. Then one day, I gave it to my oldest son. He got tired of it almost as quickly, and I believe it got trashed soon after.

My first home computer (if it could be called that) was a Sinclair (British designed, ca.1980). With a few K of optional extra RAM, it cost me about $300. At that time, I had already been working with large business systems for about 15 years (first 5, servicing them), so that was no more than a toy. Then I had to pick up on the Mac(s), but only as a user generating documentation -- never learned about their physical innards or OS.

@And yes you should know who John was :)

I don't. Just for the hell of it, this evening I asked one family member and three people I know at the supermarket. They didn't have a clue as to who that fellow was. Is it important that I or other people do?

--NBNG

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:00am (report abuse)

Hmmm...

I wonder if NBNG is really Same Olds mysterious house cleaner...

Just wondering :P

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:10am (report abuse)

@ Just for the hell of it, this evening I asked one family member and three people I know at the supermarket.

Things must have been different in your geographic area. Around these parts he was sort of a legend.

I remember once long ago when I was a manager at a electronics store, one of my salesmen decided to use our VCR's to copy a porn tape since they were so expensive then. During the copy process another salesman decided to demonstrate the big screen TV the VCR's were hooked up to....

When he hit the power button John Holmes and Ginger Lynn appeared on the big screen!

I remember comments of “Hey thats John Holmes!” from several people there.

Being the good manager I was I ran over and shut it off. Of Course I duly chastised that salesman....

Wasn't Charlie Sheen with Ginger Lynn for a long time???

Oh...the good old days :)

@ Same Old

March 19, 2012, 1:13am (report abuse)

What's so hard about washing dishes? About half the time it's needed, I wash dishes for me, my wife, and daughter still at home. I'd rather not do the work, but it's no big deal... doesn't take but a few minutes to complete.

Doesn't impinge much on the time needed for other things I have to or want to do. If it does in your case, you could buy packs of paper plates and (for some items) disposable aluminum cooking vessels at the dollar store.

You've said you like to cook. With me, that's a different story. My wife cooks much better than I could, and with rare exceptions (like when I've made pizza from scratch now and then), I don't like doing it.

--NBNG

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:15am (report abuse)

@NBNG

Yeah...Pong sucked! I forget how much it cost but I remember it was expensive. I think I only played it for a few hours before it collected dust. I left it hooked up to my TV so I could say I had Pong for a while though...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:18am (report abuse)

@you could buy packs of paper plates and (for some items) disposable aluminum cooking vessels at the dollar store

That's what I do these days!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:23am (report abuse)

Same Old doesnt need paper plates though... He has a:

"inexhaustible supply of willing beautiful 20 year old women that think we are God can be easily manipulated"

Hmmm.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:29am (report abuse)

@Did they? Not to be too critical but a lot can be exaggerated or misconstrued.

I saw the RFP for a "10-day supply of meals for 14 million people" on the .gov site.

I also know several long time distributors of dehydrated food that got shut off because the gov is buying everything now, BEFORE that RFP.

Research it yourself.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:32am (report abuse)

And lets not forget what 420 million meals cost!

I don't know the gov price currently, but a MRE sells for about $7 retail on the low end now...

That kind of money is not like water these days!!!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:47am (report abuse)

Hey look...

They want 14 million blankets too!

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=op…842af1&tab=core&tabmode=list&=

HMMMM!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 1:54am (report abuse)

Anyone know the real number of the unemployed now?

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 2:05am (report abuse)

Maybe someone can come up with a good reason they need to buy food and blankets for people equal to more than the entire populations of NYC, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco and Atlanta...

When we are broke...

Same Old 1/2

March 19, 2012, 2:33am (report abuse)

@Patriot & --NBNG

@Same Old doesnt need paper plates though... He has a: "inexhaustible supply of willing beautiful 20 year old women that think we are God can be easily manipulated"

I said I envied young people for that but I don't have that but I wish I did.

@John Holmes? For what it worth I have no idea who he was until you told us.Guess we don't watch the same movies. (laugh)

I don't use paper plates. Too may accidents. I got a large super capacity dishwasher. Not the greatest for pot & pans but glasses,plates & silverware it's fantastic. You just have to have a lot of everything so do don't run out of things. I only have to tun it once a week or so if it's just me but with guest more often. So that leaves me just with pots & pans to do by hand.--only problem is you have to put everything away. I wish they would invent something to that too.

Yeah I know it doesn't make sense but it just one of those things I really dislike to do.

Same Old 2/2

March 19, 2012, 2:35am (report abuse)

I'm seriously thinking about taking a cooking class. I really just discovered cooking in the last 7-8 years but it seem I have a skill I didn't know about. Really surprised me too. I could make spaghetti pizza & hamburgers & of course Beer but not much else. Then I got stuck home with not enough money to eat out all the time so I was kind of forced to cook more. Hell I got the time why not? It's a lot of fun & it fills the day. I am working on egg rolls now. I am experimenting with different fillings.

Bet you never tried the potato pancakes I mentioned before. Did you? Seriously, finely diced Jalapenos mixed in with the classic potato pancake ingredients with sour cream on top is great with nice glass of dry red wine. --No criticizing unless you've tried it!

Not being judgmental but I really believe the key to staying young is introducing new things. Guess every one is different but it sure works for me.

Good Night.

@Same Old 2/2 10:35pm

March 19, 2012, 3:19am (report abuse)

@"Bet you never tried the potato pancakes I mentioned before. Did you?"

Of course not. I'm not crazy about jalapenos and can't stand sour cream (ugh). I don't drink but one or two glasses of wine a year (and not much more beer than that, either) and that's enough -- probably too much. It's not that I don't know about wine or never tasted it (laugh).

Changing your words a little: No criticizing peoples' dislike of food you may like -- unless you've tried being them!

Enjoy yourself. I'll settle for an occasional omelet with a cubanelle pepper and onion sauteed in virgin olive oil and then added to American cheese and scrambled eggs in the pan. Didja ever try that? Didja?

Good night.

--NBNG

@2/2

March 19, 2012, 4:03pm (report abuse)

yes i did, but i used sweet potatos. yum!

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 5:02pm (report abuse)

On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-…defense-resources-preparedness

of course, the devil is in the details............

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 5:13pm (report abuse)

The above executive order, was issued at the end of the East Coast Business day, Friday, March 16, very conveniently timed so that the national press would not pick it up on in the media until Monday…if then.

Coincidence?

Fox Al Qaeda's 'least favorite' network...

March 19, 2012, 6:48pm (report abuse)

Fox, which can now boast that it is al Qaeda’s least favorite network,” Mr. Ignatius observed.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/18/inside-the-beltway-tracking-calories-in-illinois/?page=1

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 7:20pm (report abuse)

being the fair person that I am:

That executive order combines existing executive orders from Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. Those earlier orders refined similar statements from Presidents Harry Truman and Richard Nixon.

And Truman and Nixon, it turns out, were both updating language from President Roosevelt after the passage of the Defense Production Act in 1950.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 8:49pm (report abuse)

@CG

The devil is indeed in the details...

The war on terror appears never ending, so they consider we are constantly at war now, and likely forever, thus the reasoning behinds Obamas idea he can use secret laws to murder Americans, or lock them up forever without charges or trial, or ANY due process.

It seems the meaning of "war" has drastically changed...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 8:50pm (report abuse)

I should have known better that to stop by here hungry! lol

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 8:56pm (report abuse)

@being the fair person that I am

And one of the reasons I love you ;)

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 9:04pm (report abuse)

@Same Old

Ummm....

I bet you would fit right in on the Martha Stewart site.

Any brilliant ideas on why the need food and blankets for 14 million people suddenly?

CG posted another clue to the puzzle...

I could post a lot more on the topic, but some are getting really touchy with certain things being talked about these days...

There is a new law on that too...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 9:24pm (report abuse)

To comment a little on my supposed 2102 BS...

Notice how our media said that solar flair did nothing but give us some pretty lights in the sky?

WASHINGTON: The strongest solar flare in four years disrupted radio communications in southern China, according to the China Meteorological Administration (CMA).

"X-class flares are the most powerful of all solar events that can trigger radio blackouts and long-lasting radiation storms," disrupting telecommunications and electric grids, NASA said.

A magnetic storm caused by a solar eruption in 1973 plunged six million people into darkness in Canada's eastern-central Quebec province.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com…iapacific/view/1111256/1/.html

If you think that was just some freak thing you better do a little research!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 9:25pm (report abuse)

The fact is it was predicted for many to happen this year by NASA and many others!

To problem lies with the fact that our power grid is so fragile, overloaded, and a mix of antiquated transition equipment now combined with computers, that it wouldn't take much to put us in the dark.

The government knows it, the electric companies know it, but none want to fix it because the price would come out of someones pockets!

I saw how bad people become quickly when the power goes out for a little, because they are so dependent now, where I live. Many turned ugly fast! Fighting in the stores that had power. Pushing, shoving and cursing in the restaurants that had power.

I saw the shelves empty at Walmart...

If you pull the plug on most people these days they freak out because they have no idea, or the means, to survive without electricity and all that is dependent on it.

That is just one possible scenario...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 9:42pm (report abuse)

Another all too possible scenario is what if things really are not as good as they try to spoon feed us on the news now?

What if the number of 99ers, and those that couldn't even get UI benefits, and still can't find a job is far higher than any news outlet ever told you?

What if they know many millions are getting really really mad because it is so hard to survive now even with a “middle class” job, and they will not be able to keep them silent much longer?

What if they think that they are going to need all those FEMA camps recently built that they denied even existed for so long, until they couldn't hide them anymore, soon, so they are stocking them...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 9:47pm (report abuse)

Government takeover of the Land of the Free?

...Early Sunday morning and the AWOL mainstream media has missed the proverbial boat on the latest Executive Order signed Friday by President Barack Hussein Obama.

Executive Order “National Defense Resources Preparedness”, in effect nationalizes all the energy, food and water currently existing on American soil.

The EO is cunningly covered under the auspices of Peace Time Martial Law at the discretion of one man.

Although now posted on the Drudge Report, at the time of this writing, only scant reportage on the Web about the signing away of liberty and individual rights.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/45327

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 10:04pm (report abuse)

We already know we have officially been at “war” for 11 years now. We all know the so called “war on terror” has no official end.

So what do they consider an “emergency” now?

And thus take control of all this...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 10:05pm (report abuse)

Sec. 201.  Priorities and Allocations Authorities.  (a)  The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 10:05pm (report abuse)

(1)  the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2)  the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3)  the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4)  the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5)  the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6)  the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 10:25pm (report abuse)

I just read this on a story comparing it to the old Clinton signed, that tried to make it no big deal...

They said:

“Another curious change involves the Department of Agriculture’s mandate. New language from Obama includes, for the first time, “livestock resources, veterinary resources, [and] plant health resources.”

It also expands the definition of ”food resources” to include “potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers.”

SO.... Obama added all livestock (meat), “ all plant health resources” and all bottled water in America to what Clinton added to it. In 94.

Na.... that aint nothing.... right?

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 19, 2012, 10:34pm (report abuse)

One more thought on this topic:

Why would a big dehydrated food manufacturer screw 99% of there dealers and piss them off big time? Does that sound like good business practice? How many will ever deal with that manufacturer again? I would not ever again.

Maybe they were given no other option?

ALL OTHER

March 20, 2012, 2:59am (report abuse)

“the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities “

Other than the new and old things listed maybe one of the legal minds floating around here can explain the definition of “all other” that Obama can take control of under his secret interpretation of the Patriot Act.

Not you Patriots ;=)

Is President Obama eligible to be President of the United States

March 20, 2012, 3:10am (report abuse)

Is President Obama eligible to be President of the United States

Is President Obama eligible to be President of the United States

Is President Obama eligible to be President of the United States

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:11am (report abuse)

@Not you Patriots

Geee... funny how that is a hot topic now somewhere else :)

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:12am (report abuse)

@Is President Obama eligible to be President of the United States

About now many of us would say no! And that has nothing to do with where he was born...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:13am (report abuse)

I was just reading what someone in a management position for another dehydrated food manufacturer was saying about the other one telling almost their entire customer base to go pound sand for one gov order. He has been a well respected member of that forum for many years.

He basically said that would be insane for any company to do that because you would be giving up what took many years to build in a customer base for one order, and pretty much be out of business after that order was fulfilled.

I agreed 110%!!!

Then there was the insider trade info too...

Strange how the older topics tie in together so much now with the new news...

Ed Schultz has received $337,490 from unions since 2005

March 20, 2012, 3:19am (report abuse)

Fox was all over Ed Schultz tonight

This guy makes me sick

That Schultz has received $337,490 from unions since 2005, according to Labor Department records, hardly comes as a shock since he is one of the most vociferous shills for organized labor in the media. More problematic has been Schultz’s lack of transparency about this.

Ed Schultz responded angrily to a March 9 NewsBusters post detailing how unions paid him nearly $200,000 in 2011, telling viewers of “The Ed Show” that night of receiving the money for speaking engagements and advertisements on his radio show website. All union speaking fees were donated to charity, Schultz claimed, as required by MSNBC policy.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/03/13/ed-schultz-fails-substantiate-claim-all-his-union-speaking-fees-donated#ixzz1pchRMqxg

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:24am (report abuse)

@Ed Schultz has received $337,490 from unions since 2005

Yeah...well... That is the least of our problems now.

Actually that sounds like chump change compared to the millions that get thrown around these days...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:25am (report abuse)

How much did pill popping Rush make last year??????

Just wondering....

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:29am (report abuse)

But I do know who sold us out in the end, AND who had a knife in our face from day one...

One and the same in my book now!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:32am (report abuse)

Needless to say MANY former ED viewers hit the off button quite a while ago...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:38am (report abuse)

Rush Limbaugh

Annual salary: $ 28,000,000

http://www.salary-money.com/ru…h-limbaugh-salary-28000000.php

Hmmmm....

Interesting site there!

Enjoy the bucks roll in :)

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:42am (report abuse)

Since you arrived on this page at 11:35 p.m. Rush Limbaugh earned:

$1673... and the cents go too fast to even read...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:47am (report abuse)

Must be nice to earn $14583 dollars 33 cents per hour to flap you lips...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 3:58am (report abuse)

Now...

To be fair here, like CG who started this board with me, I'll post this.

MSNBC Host Ed Schultz Sued By Agent

How Ed Schultz ended up on MSNBC is subject of new lawsuit

http://www.hollywoodreporter.c…bc-host-ed-schultz-sued-188242

Hell of a hero the 99ers thought they had for a time...:(

Same Old

March 20, 2012, 3:24pm (report abuse)

@CalifGirl & Patriot

Maybe I should start referring to you both as the "conspiracy twins" {laugh} WOW it's amazing how your right wingers can fake a few unrelated facts, a few suspicions & exaggerate it it into a world crisis. Well I give you credit for the imagination that if anything is a accomplishment! (laugh) To be fair there is a possibility that what you're saying could be true but it's a big stretch & anyway there isn't much anyone can do about it anyway.

I agree about Ed Schultz. I pretty much agree with most of what he preaches but the subjective one side way he presents it wears thin. His position on the 99ers perfectly mirroring the Dems made it pretty obvious he's not very independent but more of a propagandist for the Dems. A least he's better than Bill O'Riley from Fox.

Just occurred to me Cable TV might pick it up too. You could start a new channel & call it "The Conspiracy Channel" Not so far fetched. Glen Beck made a living at it. He just got a little too crazy.

@ Same Old 11:24am

March 20, 2012, 4:33pm (report abuse)

@” WOW it's amazing how your right wingers can fake a few unrelated facts, a few suspicions & exaggerate it into a world crisis.”... “To be fair there is a possibility that what you're saying could be true but it's a big stretch & anyway...”

Right... there isn’t much anyone [which includes they] can do about the situation anyway.

I can't figure what people get out of latching onto one dire-sounding conspiracy theory or suspicion after another and — at, least it would seem from the way many of those people talk about those things, over and over — allow themselves to worry about that stuff on a seemingly daily basis.

What do they get out of that? Life is (and, almost certainly always has been) tough enough. I hate the expression, "Life's a bitch and then you die," but there's truth to it.

Seems it would make more sense to keep trying to make improvements in one's personal life than being perpetually upset about things he/she can't do anything about at the macro level.

--NBNG

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 4:36pm (report abuse)

Kristina Schake, Communications Director to the First Lady, emails to confirm this was a White House effort:

From the beginning of the administration, the White House has asked news outlets not to report on or photograph the Obama children when they are not with their parents and there is no vital news interest. We have reminded outlets of this request in order to protect the privacy and security of these girls.

25, plus secret service....no problem.....shared sacrifice.....no problem, heck its only money.......

http://www.politico.com/blogs/…7970.html#.T2gHtx_pbcA.twitter

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 4:37pm (report abuse)

@Same Old

@To be fair there is a possibility that what you're saying could be true

-- I knew you could be fair :)

CalifGirl

(logged-in user) March 20, 2012, 6:37pm (report abuse)

back....

to clarify the point I was making above......censorship.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 1:32am (report abuse)

@Same Old

" WOW it's amazing how your right wingers can fake a few unrelated facts, a few suspicions & exaggerate it it into a world crisis"

Your words fit the definition of “sheeple” to a T....

For someone that has talked about our government being bought and paid for , and a quick web search tells you who owns ALL the MSM now, it amazes me you are so ignorant to things that are backed up with a hell of a lot better proof than what the bobble heads on your TV say is reality.

But then your words represent what the biggest problem in America is now. A majority of people that don't believe anything but what one political party, and the main stream media tells them is true.

I'll take the words of people that have a long proven track record of accurately predicting what is to come, along with all those that once were in high places of government, and are speaking out now because they are mad as hell now too, over the bobble heads you believe.

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 1:34am (report abuse)

And I am STILL waiting for ANY explanation from you about why you think gov suddenly needs to spend billions on food and blankets for millions!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 1:51am (report abuse)

To take the thought a little further...

“it's amazing how your right wingers “

That statement shows exactly how the divide and conquer crap works.

I get those like Same Old calling me a “right winger”, or “conservative”, in derogatory ways.

AND I get others calling me a “left winger”, or “liberal” in the same derogatory way.

Interesting how their psyops made every issue only fit into only one political box, and those that disagree must be on the evil left or right side, and thereby are the enemy, and the cause of all our problems now.....................................................................................................

Thank God more and more are actually waking up now!

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 2:03am (report abuse)

@Seems it would make more sense to keep trying to make improvements in one's personal life than being perpetually upset about things he/she can't do anything about at the macro level.

Though I do agree with those thoughts in many ways, I disagree in others.

If all our soldiers, or revolutionaries, took that attitude there never would have been anyone to fight for this country...

I'm getting way too many flash backs of things many forgot from the Clinton years...

And the very real battles won against things like we are seeing now from gov...

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 2:18am (report abuse)

Research the facts about Ruby Ridge!

A special force soldier was targeted by gov for trying to fight back. Gov sent in storm troopers to get him in his remote cabin in Idaho because they claimed he didn't show up for court on a BS gun charge, even though the paperwork he had from the court showed the date to be in the future.

His wife was shot and killed by agents while she was standing on the porch simply holding her baby.

The kickback from that, along with the lawsuit the gov lost, made some BIG changes in what was allowed by gov for a long time!

Maybe you should also research who in the Obama administration was directly involved with Ruby Ridge...

A strange twist to the story is those “right wingers” had been fighting Bush Sr tooth and nail....

Patriots

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 2:37am (report abuse)

I know I posted this here many times in the past, but Colonel Gritz was Weavers commanding officer, and I still remember watching the end to the standoff, with all those people protesting on the road to the cabin, and all those federal agents, when Bo Gritz drove his staff car with the flags flying through the crowd.....

BEHIND THE LOOKING GLASS (The Bush Dynasty)

http://www.bogritz.com/lookingglass.html

Maybe you can even find the stories back then from the Repubs defending Bush saying the Roosevelt family was funding Gritz...

Put that in your left or right box :)

Same Old 1/2

March 21, 2012, 1:44pm (report abuse)

@Patriot

@Ruby Ridge!

(laugh)Yeah maybe inlong run it matters but one freedom you right wing ideologues always ignore is the freedom to make economic choices. We are in a class war. All your conspiracies don't change the fact is life can't be free if we have no jobs or our lives are being impacted by energy costs & were being slowly limited because of monopolistic behavior of markets. Imports from China, no jobs, no rational energy policy other than pay more. Health care costs are double of western Europe. Seems when your teeth gave you trouble you weren't worrying about Ruby Ridge? Reminds me of the analogy of the housewife that washing the floor while the house burns down around her. That's why OWD resonated with so many people & that's why it scared the Gov. You understand conspiracy but you don't understand greed & power. This pink slime thing is sickening but you ignore that. Let me be blunt I think you got your priorities screwed up

Same Old 2/2

March 21, 2012, 1:45pm (report abuse)

@I get those like Same Old calling me a “right winger”, or “conservative”, in derogatory ways.

What do you think a libertarian is? What have you been drinking? You got some silly philosophy but our country is in trouble & it's about jobs & money!--and as far as my comments about you being a right winger nutcase. Well if the shoe fits...

Oh one other thing. That Gun crap you've been spouting. Have you read about that Kid in Florida who got shot some over zealous nut who's trying to play policeman. I know what your reaction but that is the reason we don't need guns. A couple of bruises would of been the result instead some kid is dead. That's what guns do!

Gota go things to do.

Justsosad

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 2:04pm (report abuse)

"Have you read about that Kid in Florida who got shot some over zealous nut who's trying to play policeman. I know what your reaction but that is the reason we don't need guns. A couple of bruises would of been the result instead some kid is dead. That's what guns do!"

Same Old, guns are not the problem, it's the damn nut case behind them like this SOB in Florida! This child was the same age as my nephew! Just walking with skittles and a iced tea! And, this damn fool says "he" was threated? It is usually the person who was chased is the one who is being threated! Who would not run when they see a nut with a 9mm after them for no reason??? He didn't even introduce himself as a community watch person! And, he hides behind this redicolous law they have down there???? His a$$ need to be behind bars...PERIOD!!!A couple of Brusis??? For what??? Walking through a neighborhood??? OK! BTW, did this fool not get arrested for assaulting a police officer??? Some people don't need guns period!

Justsosad

(logged-in user) March 21, 2012, 2:06pm (report abuse)

That was bruises.

T

@ Patriots March 20, 10:03pm

March 21, 2012, 4:24pm (report abuse)

@"If all our soldiers, or revolutionaries, took that attitude there never would have been anyone to fight for this country..."

By definition of their function, American soldiers don't change laws or political conditions in their own country. Under orders and sworn to allegiance, they fight those who have officially been declared their country's enemies.

Also by definition, revolutionaries do not "fight for this country" (this isn't 1776... the revolution is long over), and the idea of revolution against our own government is not popular in today’s America. If you were to try to start one, you'd quickly find out it's illegal to do that, and wouldn't have much backing from fellow citizens, either.

The only legal ways we have to try to change things are through the ballot box, peacefully protesting, and/or attempting to get the Judicial branch to act in our behalf.

Individuals packing artillery don’t represent the public. This isn’t the Wild West in the 1880s.

--NBNG

@ Same Old 2/2 9:45am

March 21, 2012, 5:53pm (report abuse)

@"What do you think a libertarian is?"

On a few occasions over several years, conversing with people who call themselves Libertarians (there are a few here and there, it seems), I've tried to elicit from them how (they believe) having a Libertarian-run government would be better than what we currently have. Of what benefit would that be to the unemployed, poor and otherwise disadvantaged, states experiencing natural disasters and in need of Federal aid, fighting crime on an interstate level, providing for national defense, instituting price controls and managing distribution of essentials during national emergencies, and setting and ensuring country-wide compliance to national standards regarding food, drugs and anti-pollution?

I have never received answers that made sense. As far as your (rhetorical?) question goes, I think a Libertarian is, in general, a individualist-dreamer who is dissatisfied with the status quo but can't come up with anything better that will work.

--NBNG

Same Old

March 21, 2012, 7:09pm (report abuse)

@--NBNG

@Libertarian??

Frankly I think it a scam to justify a big money agenda. Gvrmnt represents taxes to the wealthy limit Gvrmrnt you limit taxes. Since the wealthy can pay for most things that Gvrmnt provide they have little use for Gvrmnt. It's easy to point out the problems Gvrmnt has but the problems gvrmnt solves is much greater & they seem to forget that & of course the media distorts everything. We certainly have big problems with the way we are governed in Washington but the conservative's answer would in almost every instance make things worse.

Frankly I think Libertarianism is just an excuse to get Gvrmnt out of the way of the wealthy so they can do whatever they want.

I think it's almost impossible to view any conservative ideology without the tax question coming into play.

I believe Patriot is just too stubborn to admit he picked a looser philosophy when he was younger but that's all right because I enjoy watching the steam coming out of his ears. (laugh)

U.S. SENT FRENCH SHOOTING SUSPECT BACK TO FRANCE FROM AFGHANISTAN...

March 21, 2012, 7:31pm (report abuse)

U.S. SENT FRENCH SHOOTING SUSPECT BACK TO FRANCE FROM AFGHANISTAN...

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/21/french-shooting-suspect-was-self-styled-al-qaeda-jihadist/

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