Home

Blog

H.R. 3813, The Securing Annuities for Federal Employees Act of 2012 (57 comments ↓ | 4 wiki edits: view article ↓)

  • This item is from the 112th Congress (2011-2012) and is no longer current. Comments, voting, and wiki editing have been disabled, and the cost/savings estimate has been frozen.

H.R. 3813 would amend title 5, United States Code, to secure the annuities of Federal civilian employees.

(read more ↓)
[1,033 views]

Learn More

    Saves: $17.84 per
    and decreases their $162,301.27 share of the national debt by $682.05.
    (source info)

  • Read the Bill
  • Read an Analysis of the Bill
  • See What People Are Saying

To What Committees was this Bill Referred?

From the Blog

WashingtonWatch.com Digest – February 13, 2012

This is the WashingtonWatch.com email newsletter for the week of February 13, 2012. Subscribe (free!) here. email newsletter | tell a friend | wiki | about | home | log in On the Blog: A Self-Dealing Congress A pair of stories in the Washington Post la...

Visitor Comments Comments Feed for This Bill

Kim S

February 2, 2012, 2:59pm (report abuse)

I am not against reforming FERS or CSRS on new hires. By removing the annuity supplement beginning 12/30/2012 is like a slap in the face to those of us who can retire in under five years especially when you have dedicated 27 years of service.

KimS

February 2, 2012, 3:11pm (report abuse)

Actually HR 2913 which would terminate Members of Congress coverage in the FERS and CSRS is more of what the taxpayers would like to see!! Jes sayin'!!

@KimS

February 5, 2012, 3:14am (report abuse)

And just how is it that you think you speak for the taxpayers. You are just another of the federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

W

February 6, 2012, 7:27pm (report abuse)

Federal employees are not slugs at a feeding trough. We work long and hard to serv the public with little to no recognition. Most of us are lower paid then our counter parts outside. We are not the rich and over paid people that we are said to be. I have 30 years of service and have never complained of the long hours or lower pay. Even when I was reduced in pay grade due to the last BRAC, I took my lack of a pay raise with no reservations. That was over 10 years ago and I still am paid less the I was then.

NancyW

February 6, 2012, 11:37pm (report abuse)

I am 22 months from retirement and will have worked 30 years doing manual labor, including cleaning public restrooms. I have worked long and hard for my retirement and wrecked my body. HR 3813 would remove the annuity supplement 9 months before I am eligible to get it, making it unaffordable for me to retire. That is worse than a slap in the face.

Scott S

February 7, 2012, 1:08am (report abuse)

I wouldn't mind a reform, but this is like signing a contract to buy something and then the bank changes the terms of the agreement. If this goes into effect then I will not be able to retire as planned at thirty years of service. I currently have 27 years of service. This is just another broken promise from the government. The House couldn't be that worry about money, they gave others a raise this year Oh yea I forgot you froze my wages for an additional year also. This bill basically equates to making a promise 25 years ago and now taking it back when it is time to start paying on it. The government made this promise to workers 25 years ago to get them off CSRS, in a money saving ploy at that time. Now that it is coming time for these first workers to begin retiring, they are going to yank the rug out from under all of us. We have worked and saved for our retirement and we deserve the retirement that we were promised.

Joe C

February 8, 2012, 12:51am (report abuse)

28 years ago when I began government service I was on CSRS. Within a year this brand new program called FERS was shoved down my throat with a promise of a three pronged retirement that would let me retire modestly in 34 years. Now with only 72 months to go these crooks want to steal the money we were promised for years of dedication and service. If you think government services were bad before wait until you have more than 50% of the government workforce still working passed a promised retirement date.

@@KimS

February 8, 2012, 1:27am (report abuse)

I am a taxpayer;KimS speaks for me.Same old tired crap about slugs;you forgot to mention the Unions you Fool.Reform my a** you idiot.I've never voted Tea Party or Republican, and never will.The rest of my fellow Federal employees would be advised to do likewise.Anyone that votes for them slits their own throat.My suggestion:vote these traitors out of office...they are liars and crooks.

cantdomath

February 8, 2012, 8:34pm (report abuse)

So, let’s do some basic math. At age 56 I can retire and get a pension of $32,000 and a social security bridge payment of $14,000 a year for a total of $46,000 a year pension. Since the congress wants to save money they don’t want to pay me the $14,000 a year. I can’t retire on $32,000 a year, so I have to keep working. At my current salary of $98,000 a year, hmmmm…(this is the basic math part) $98,000 – $46,000 =$ 52,000. So congress can either pay me $14,000 a year and I can quit or pay me the additional $52,000 a year because I have to stay. Only our congress can do math like that and call it a savings. Oh yeah, multiply that by thousands of employees that are in the same boat as me now because of this legislation. Way to go congress!!

Philly D

February 9, 2012, 7:10pm (report abuse)

I am a recently retired Federal employee. CSRS (Old System), not FERS but I can certainly sympathize with those looking at retiring in the near future. Federal retirement is certainly meager unless you do a lot of preparation of your own. I was a firefighter and basically retired with about 50% of what I was making while working. Compare that with my cousin who retired from a county fire dept. on close to 90%. And by the way he worked 56 hours a week while I worked 72.

In my view, giving the Federal employee the flexibility to make good on-the-job decisions and also the respect and motivation to do so, would go a lot farther toward balancing the budget. Believe me, politically driven decisions and overly restrictive policies lead to more waste than any retirement system. Beleave me.

maxb

February 10, 2012, 2:25pm (report abuse)

As a 28 year federal employee I am appalled that this bill would eliminate the annuity supplement that I was promised upon my entrance into public service. Instead of retiring in two years and accepting a much smaller income from the federal payroll, I will be forced to remain on the payroll for an additional 8 years at my current pay.

I understand the state of the economy and that many Americans are suffering. However, this drastic change affecting current federal employees is unconscionable. Two wrongs do not make a right. Change the employment conditions of new hires if you must, but do not break the promise made to those already in federal service.

notaboutmoney

February 10, 2012, 9:01pm (report abuse)

Working people are their enemy. Why should you have any power to plan a decent future. Another attack on working people is to make jobs have term limits. I kid you not. You may work here for us for so long and no longer. Go crawl in a hole and die. Class war and we are losing very badly.

beejach

February 11, 2012, 12:14am (report abuse)

cantdomath is exactly right on! What Congressman Ross fails to say is that this will cost the taxpayers much more money if people lose the supplement and stay longer in government. I thought the plan was to reduce the size of the federal government. Breaking the promise to employees (the three prong retirement) will cost the taxpayers much more money than encouraging those who are eligible to retire. In addition, if we (federal employees) are compensated so much better than those in private industry, why are they (private industry employees) not rushing to give up their salaries, bonuses and stock options to work for the government?? Maybe Congress, especially Congressman Ross, needs to tone down the hyperbole and get his facts straight!!!

OH WAH WAH!

February 11, 2012, 6:27pm (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

Far West

February 13, 2012, 5:33pm (report abuse)

The usual attempt to undo previous arrangements, typical of congressmen trying to look important. The FERS retirement system is somewhat a joke already, they may as well take it all the way to the ludicrous level. But it will likely die as is, and be ammended to what the Obama administration is now proposing, which is for all new hires from 2013 on, the annuity supplement will be gone. Great recruiting tool.

As for those who decry the "federal slugs", it is often heard from those who failed to ever get a decent job, and are "sour grapes" of those who did.

FF Jeff

February 13, 2012, 7:28pm (report abuse)

I agree with the others. Show them how to save. Don't retire at first chance. Make them keep paying you. I can go at 47, but not required to go until 57. They have made my decision for me. Thanks.

DD

February 13, 2012, 10:26pm (report abuse)

This is intresting so some will say that the federal worker is over payed. I say that you are all a bunch of whinning rich Pri@#s who just dont want to pay your taxes. I am a federal worker 15 years in and am forced to retire at 57 and now I will have to get a job when I retire to keep the standard of living I want. Who else has to work for 35 years and cant draw an ssi check but can only max out there pension at 47.5 percent. Health care does not cover vision dental and still costs me 300 dollars a month after uncle sugar pays his cut. So now the annuity that should cover the ssi difference when i am force to retire will be cut so that i will have to wait until 62 to recieve. this is B.S. I quit protect your self and hope the worald turns out better for you all. By the way the goverment sets the trends and if they can cut my pension then they will allow your employee to cut yours.

RF4FWIC TECH

February 14, 2012, 11:46pm (report abuse)

The FERS contract included an annuity supplement. The small FERS retirement is consumed by federal & state tax along w/costly health insurance premiums. Taking away annuity to pay for the out of control spending in Washington, Congress places the burden on Military Technicians who quite literally put their lives on the line for our Nation. The rest of the story is that exempt from the bill are Air Traffic Controllers, Capital & Supreme Court Police, Firemen, Nuclear Material Carriers, Custom Boarder Protection Officers and Law Enforcement Officers. So the group that is targeted is only the National Guard Military Technicians. Rep Dennis Ross, FL proposed H.R. 3813. The total savings of this bill is about $2 Million per year ..all on the back of National Guard Military Technicians. Last month the POTUS took a vacation that cost the taxpayers $4 Million. We can do better than ask our National Guard Military Technicians to take this cut. It is not right or left, it's wrong.

reform now

February 15, 2012, 4:46pm (report abuse)

This is a no brainer, once again the elected officials get this better then the people who put them in office attitude and want to take it out on the blue collar workers. Most federal employees only make upper lower class saleries, go ahead take the little bit you promised them away and guess what, come election time their voice will be heard at the polls. the blue collar workers are getting tired of it and they will show all of you elected officials come election time how they really feel.

KAS

February 15, 2012, 5:56pm (report abuse)

As a postal employee in FERS for 27 years, I'm facing the possibility of losing my job with the proposed closing of our mail processing plant.

Transferring to another USPS plant 1-1/2 hours away isn't feasible. The possibility of a VER, with a promised FERS supplemental annuity from ages 56-62, and finding part-time employment elsewhere, was an option for keeping my family in our hometown.

Now with H.R.3813 proposing elimination of the FERS supplemental annuity, I'm in a quandary as how I'll provide for my family when I lose my job. Many postal workers like myself have worked undesirable 2nd or 3rd shifts, doing repetitive-motion, physically-demanding jobs at mail processing plants for the majority of their careers, and developed chronic health conditions as a result.

Taking away our promised supplemental annuity at a time when the USPS is proposing closing 300+ of its' 500 mail processing plants in the next 18 months is truly a slap in the face.

KimS

February 15, 2012, 8:44pm (report abuse)

"According to CBO, approximately 7,600 new retirees each year receive an annual supplement of just under $8,000." A direct quote from H.R. 3813!! That must be congresses supplement cause mine is no where close to that!!

@Kim

February 16, 2012, 9:00pm (report abuse)

Federal works are in not for the money but for the sense of the mission. Have you ever deployed in harms way? we do..we volunteer to deploy. we don't have a single functions. we do it ALL..there is a clause in our job descriptions "other colletaral duties>.that implies whatever we are tasked to do..WE do it. in some instances, if we don't do a job, people die...this not a profit organization...there are lots of waste of money in the gov...need to concentrate on that...why do we send millions of dollars to other countries..it's easy for those on top to focus on the feds..we are easy target..we are the scapegoats..I garantie, the money "saved" will be spent on usless programs..rob from peter to feed robin...for all of you..MAKE IT COUNT..VOTE THIS YEAR and let's get folks who have integrity..who can do the job and most importantly DO THE RIGHT THING...

Cheap Seats

February 17, 2012, 2:37pm (report abuse)

Its all about money and power. Power comes from staying in office and the money follows. We should all demand a Buffett style consitutional amendment. Congress becomes servants to the Country. No pensions. No pay increase greater than 3% and then only when the budget is balanced. 2 Term limit then go home and back to work like the rest of us. They are called public servants. Its time they lived up to that name.

OH WAH WAH!

February 20, 2012, 5:59am (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

@OH WAH WAH!

February 24, 2012, 8:21pm (report abuse)

REFORM NOW!REFORM NOW!.......Pathetic cowardly fool that has never held a job......"Hey,look at me,I'm in the tea party"....Let me hide behind my computer and muster up some of my anonymous e-courage and attack working Americans by calling them names and spreading misconceptions,misinformation,and lies about them so that I will feel better about my pathetic worthless existence......You unemployed joke.....Give up you moron.

@Poor federal trough slurper

February 26, 2012, 4:46am (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

Fedupfed

(logged-in user) February 29, 2012, 7:02pm (report abuse)

I'm in the same boat as many of you. I can't leave until July 2013 so, if HR 3813 passes as is, I will be stuck staying here, as well. Oh, and do you all know that Rep Dennis Ross is worth about 5 million bucks?? Of course he's not worried about HIS retirement. This is his first term in Congress - nice way to start off by hurting the people who are working for him. Nice guy, eh???

OH WAH WAH!

March 1, 2012, 12:57pm (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

Fedupfed

(logged-in user) March 1, 2012, 3:12pm (report abuse)

I guess you aren't smart enough to think of something other than REFORM NOW! You're obviously uneducated and probably unemployed. Stop repeating yourself, you sound like an idiot.

@Fedupfed

March 3, 2012, 6:39pm (report abuse)

And you sound like the same old scumbag federal pig at the trough.

REFPRM NOW!

***

March 7, 2012, 5:41am (report abuse)

Just more whining from the federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

webmaster

(logged-in user) March 7, 2012, 11:29pm (report abuse)

Don't like another's comments?

Logged-in users can hide the comments of others. When you do, all future comments from the same person disappear, too. Read about it here:

http://tinyurl.com/TurnYourBack

When you use a petition page for discussion, it's only available to people who have joined you in support of the petition. Create a petition here:

http://www.washingtonwatch.com/petitions/create/

Never respond to rude comments. That only encourages the "trolls" who post them.

http://tinyurl.com/DNFTTonWaWa

Reform Now!

March 8, 2012, 2:39am (report abuse)

Just more whining from the federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

Dedicated VA employee

March 9, 2012, 1:47am (report abuse)

Every time the DC boys need to cover their butts, they stomp on the federal employee's and their benifits. Then they beat their chests and say look what I did for the good of everyone. Bull----! Quit giving every other country in the world our tax dollars and start taking care of the citizens of the United States of America.

DoD deployed

March 12, 2012, 7:28am (report abuse)

The true fact is the majority of persons working for our government did it due to our sense of service, loyalty and commitment to our way of life. To change entitlements now for those within 5 years of MRA (it FLAT criminal). We met our obligation by working hard and believing the benefits of FERS were intact. I for one would not retire until 62 or later (65/67) if they pull the annuity out if one or our three forms of retirement entitlements. In these cost cutting times (save every penny you can regardless of whom it affects) will force eligible retirees stay on the roles longer if take home pay is reduced. We were promised the following under FERS (% of pay, retirement supplement from MRA to 62, and TSP). Do legislators really believe reducing a person's monthly retirement take home is an incentive to retire? All you are doing is forcing thousands of eligible retirees to stay on the books. As usual great legislation from people with heads in the sand. good luck :).

@DoD deployed

March 14, 2012, 1:29pm (report abuse)

OH MY GOD!

Did you just say you fed hog-trough feeders are doing it "due to our sense of service, loyalty and commitment to our way of life"?

What a sack of horse$hit.

You are doing it for the paycheck and the fat benefits, nothing more.

If you don't like the terms of your employment then quit and go get a real job. But somehow I doubt that will happen. Way too much good gravy in the fed trough for you to slurp up for that to ever happen.

ProudAmerican

March 30, 2012, 1:40pm (report abuse)

OH WAH WAH is a doof! he would wah wah and crap himself if he had an IED go off just over the wall from him. A lot of us are dedicated and not SCARED to take on the taliban, self serving Senators or whiney morons still living at home!

@ProudAmerican

April 1, 2012, 2:49pm (report abuse)

Right!

The closest you ever got to an IED was in the video game you play in your mom's basement. Just anither loudmouth pu$$y.

REFORM NOW!

KimK

April 3, 2012, 3:40am (report abuse)

I can't believe anybody who does not know what another's job is would make such harmful remarks, The federal employee has a job to do and does it just like other working Americans and did it under the assumption that they were told the truth when they were hired. There were other jobs that paid better with less red tape they could have gone to but were promised retirement benefits so their career was spent with the feds with them now taking away the thing that drew them in and kept them in the 1st place. The job place won with less turnover of a trained employee and now they are being crapped on just because people are sick of congress. Cut Congress's benefits but the real working people deserve better and the federal employees are working people just like you others who are claiming foul.

WAH WAH WAH!

April 5, 2012, 4:21am (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

PROUDAMERICAN

April 16, 2012, 11:54am (report abuse)

oh Wanker, i Never lived in parents basement. was a Marine at 17, serving our country and have been since. your big sister must have been mean to you and stole you video control and wouldn't give it back Oh Wank Wank. It shows!

WAH WAH WAH

April 16, 2012, 8:47pm (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

Their standard cry is "GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!".

NO MORE!

REFORM NOW!

SickofWAHWAH

April 25, 2012, 5:42am (report abuse)

I'm going to set the filter to block out this idiot so I can watch the comments from people who have something new to say. And most of us are indeed hard-working and deserving of the benefits FOR WHICH WE STAYED when we could have left like many others, for better salaries BACK WHEN many did. People, use the filter thing and shut the idiot out.

OR

April 26, 2012, 1:20pm (report abuse)

If you don't like what is said here you have other choices.

Don't come back here is certainly a viable option. Instead visit those other sites where your whiney opinions will be supported by other losers just like you.

Anthony

November 1, 2012, 2:26am (report abuse)

Is this a done deal has it allready passed?

@Anthony

November 4, 2012, 7:01pm (report abuse)

The only "done deal" about this one is that it is going to die at the end of the session.

REFORM NOW!

November 4, 2012, 7:09pm (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs slurping at the public trough.

REFORM NOW!

Bone

November 29, 2012, 1:17pm (report abuse)

You suck. That's why your not a FED. If you could get a federal job, you'd likely jump at the chance.

REFORM NOW!

December 4, 2012, 3:32am (report abuse)

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs sucking the public teat.

REFORM NOW!

Steve at VA

December 7, 2012, 5:08pm (report abuse)

I propose that we eliminate all welfare for able bodied people. This would mean that REFORM NOW would have to find a job and would not be able to post remarks that show him for the dumb*** he is!

That would be real reform. REFORM THAT REFORM NOW!

REFORM NOW!

December 10, 2012, 4:01pm (report abuse)

A VA employee! Goodness gracious. Talk about a real dumba$$.

This is the federal department that can't take care of our veterans even though they have an unlimited budget. Just look at any newspaper and read about claims for help taking over a year or more to complete. And hospitals thata are infecting our veterans with diseases because they can't, or more likely won't, follow proper procedures.

Same old whine from a bunch of federal employee slugs sucking the public teat.

REFORM NOW!

Mark-Retired Vet

December 11, 2012, 2:56pm (report abuse)

Looks like REFORM NOW avoided commenting on his real issue. It is obvious he is not a Vet so just let him ramble on about subjects he knows nothing about. The more he posts the more he shows his ignorance.

@Mark-Retired Vet

December 11, 2012, 5:19pm (report abuse)

Wrong again. Twenty year veteran of the Air Force. I'm willing to compare my experiences with yours any day.

I know more than you want to admit about the VA. And I can read, which may be a problem for you.

It is time to make the little piggies slurping at the federal trough more accountable. And this is one way to do that.

Mark-Retired Vet

December 12, 2012, 11:28am (report abuse)

Next time you crawl through a tunnel think of me. There is nothing you could possibly have experienced that could compare with mine. I have DMII, CHF and a host of other diseases for which I am well cared for by the VA. THe only thing you got from 20 years in the AF is a fat backside, IF (big if) you were ever really in the military. I personnaly thing you are just a person mad because you cannot qualify for even the lowest of federal jobs. So my uneducated friend becareful or the big bad wolf will come and blow your house down. OINK OINK yourself.

@Mark-Retired Vet

December 12, 2012, 2:26pm (report abuse)

OH BOY! Another tunnel rat. Yeah, sure. If you were ever in the military, which is doubtful, your time in the chowhall really doesn't count for much.

It's too bad you can't come up with something better than that for a fantasy.

It is time to make kick the little piggies slurping at the federal trough in their fat a$$es.

REFORM NOW!

Rick P.

December 12, 2012, 6:42pm (report abuse)

I am a contractor that does work for the private sector. I am also veteran with 4 years of active duty. I put on my uniform each day prepared to defend the right for REFORM NOW to speak his mind. It is called freedom of speech. Each US citizen has this right. Each of us also has the right to ignor the ramblings of others. While I do not agree with Mr. Reforms point of view, I do agree with his right to speak or in this case type his mind. I, also believe that playing word games pays homage to Mr. Reform Now! If you ignore him that will really piss him off and he will eventually go away. So Mark-Retired Vet and Steve-VA Employee my advice is ignor him and the world will a better place.

@Rick P.

December 12, 2012, 7:43pm (report abuse)

The problem with your logic is that you can't piss me off. This is just a little mud puddle in a corner of the web. There is nothing here to get pissed off about.

Get the little piggies off the public teat.

REFORM NOW!

RSS Feeds for This Bill

Keep yourself updated on user contributions and debates about this bill! (Learn more about RSS.)