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H.R. 1332, The Social Security Fairness Act of 2011 (150 comments ↓)

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H.R. 1332 would amend title II of the Social Security Act to repeal the Government pension offset and windfall elimination provisions.

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April 5, 2011, 11:12am (report abuse)

Why? This bill would give an unfair increase in benefits to those who did not pay in as much as the rest of us.

VOTE NO!

Rena A Hite

April 7, 2011, 5:32am (report abuse)

My husband paid in the SS all his working life. As his widow I should be entitled to the SS survivor benefit that every other widow/widower is entitled to when their spouse dies regardless of where MY pension comes from. I'm not asking to receive SS benefits that I did not pay for. Only asking to be treated equally under the law as all other survivors. Hired prior to law change in 1980's I was not "grandfathered" into the old system. Totally unfair law. Meanwhile children under the age of 18 that were born to middle age parents receive a SS benefit when one parents qualifies for SS based on parent's benefit without reducing the parent's SS benefit. This is the government saying "you are too old to provide for a minor child at your age, therefore your government is going to pay benefit without consideration of your ability to provide for them. To add insult to injury this does not reduce the parent's benefit. It is in addition to parent's benefit. NOT FAIR! Law needs to change

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April 7, 2011, 5:30pm (report abuse)

Too bad!

So sad!

No money for you!!

VOTE NO!

Pat Flynn

April 8, 2011, 5:30pm (report abuse)

I receive a govt pension. I have also worked & paid into social security. Because of the windfall act I can't collect the money I put into SS. I must pay it, but can't receive it. NOT FAIR, hopefully this changes that

@Pat Flynn

April 9, 2011, 10:37am (report abuse)

THE WEP IS FAIR.

It keeps people like you from gaining more than you deserve.

The WEP is fair.

VOTE NO!

VAMH

April 9, 2011, 1:46pm (report abuse)

I do not see fairness in a system that requires people to pay into it and not receive from it. There is no incentive for anyone to pay. So hey...let's make a run on the bank....don't pay any more and take back what has been given. People have the right to give freely if and when they choose to help those in need. It should not be stolen.

@VAMH

April 9, 2011, 3:28pm (report abuse)

Obviously you do not understand the discussion here. The individual still drwas social sceurity. The difference is that the formula used takes into consideration that they were working outside the social security system. That simple fact is what keeps some from gaining an unfairly larger payment.

Your babble is just nonsense from an uneducated person.

Dr. Richard J. May

April 12, 2011, 8:59pm (report abuse)

@VAHM: Why do you think it's a means to an unfairly larger payment, when the recipient is the person who paid into SS in the first place?

Using your "educated" logic, some welfare recipients shouldn't receive a dime, since they "obviously" didn't work inside or outside the system in order to merit their rewards.

Go back to school before you further embarrass yourself.

@Dr. Richard J. May

April 12, 2011, 11:59pm (report abuse)

Do you actually understand how the benefit is calculated? It sounds like your education is lacking in this respect. Perhaps you are the one who should go back to school and learn what is really happening.

The WEP keeps those who receive a retirement benefit from any work not covered by social security from double-dipping and receiving a larger social security benefit than they deserve.

The WEP is fair.

Vote no and let your legislators know you do not support this bill.

Sick of it

April 13, 2011, 9:57am (report abuse)

If you are not losing anything then

keep your mouth shut i worked 27 years in the coal mines paying into social security and then after the epa and your clean air act shut them down i worked 12 years for the state and because of that they want to take a large part of my social security? well just give me back what i paid in then and i will be happy because I am not paying for yours!

@Sick of it

April 13, 2011, 10:28am (report abuse)

Quit whining. You sound like a sour old man who wasn't smart enough to stay out of the coal mines.

And just how much do you think they will take? If, as you claim, you have 27 years under social security, your offset will be 15 percent of the first $749. In this case that is $112.35 if you retired this year. If that is a "large part" of your social security benefit you must not have been very productive during your working life.

Taking into account the fact that you also will receive a retirement from the state you are being fairly compensated, perhaps even more than you deserve.

Silly

April 22, 2011, 2:09pm (report abuse)

It's quite simple really, everyone complaining that SS would be offset because their retirement is already sufficient, have your children pay. Mind you, i hope you have more than two, because thats what it will take for you to get "what you paid in". As far as the guy saying just take the money back...I hate to tell you that money isnt there thanks to the politicians your generation elected over the years. Thanks for that btw.

lihmusic

April 30, 2011, 5:17am (report abuse)

My deceased husband and I worked on jobs that required payment of Social Security Taxes (FICA) but when I retired, GPO and WEP wiped all of my widow benefits and 40% of my own EARNED benefits. The Social Security Fairness Act of 2011 - HR 1332 should stop the theft of my rightful earnings. Instead of getting $152 each month, I should get $400-800 each month. Why steal our earned and paid benefits just because we worked instead of sitting home and living on welfare funds?

VOTE YES ON HR 1332!!!!

Tired

April 30, 2011, 11:58am (report abuse)

To Everyone for H.R. 1332,

Do not waste your time writing here. Do not give ... or those against this bill who is probably ... and disguising himself under other names the satisfaction of giving it, yes it, something to do. It would be better to send your Representatives and Senators your comments. If they have responded to you saying they support this unfair law, then send them copies of their responses they sent you.

It is about time they take action on their word. If everyone would send copies on the support of tis bill to their Representatives and Senators would be more effective. Send daily if need to. Thirty some years waiting for the GPO/WEP to be repealed is enough already. Again,do not give ... the satisfaction of ever responding again.

@lihmusic

April 30, 2011, 12:13pm (report abuse)

Sounds like an outright lie. If you worked at jobs that "required payment of Social Security Taxes (FICA)" then you are not subject to the GPO/WEP, unless you worked fulltime at a non-covered job. If that is the case then you are getting what you deserve. Too bad you can't rip the system off for more.

And for "Tired" -

Too bad!

So sad!

No money for you!!

VOTE NO!

Tired

April 30, 2011, 12:34pm (report abuse)

Follow-up to my previous comment. Please click http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/ObamaGPO-WEP_Letter_10-22-08FINAL_(2).pdf This is a copy of President Obama's letter to the NEA promising for the repeal of GPO/WEP. Everyone send copies to him daily to remind him of his campaign promise. He has proven he was born in Hawaii, now he has to prove he is credible in the things he says and do.

.... Tooooooo baaaaaad, sooooooo saaaaaaaaad you have to take your gripes elsewhere.

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April 30, 2011, 1:43pm (report abuse)

Why? This bill would give an unfair increase in benefits to those who did not pay in as much as the rest of us.

VOTE NO!

gj

May 3, 2011, 11:54am (report abuse)

I don't think you who oppose get it ! I have paid in to SS for 15 years and I don't get a dime of it paid back to me just because I chose to teach for 26 yrs after that... BTW, Tx retired teachers have not had a COA increase in 15 years...

gj

May 3, 2011, 11:58am (report abuse)

WE ONLY WANT the SS LAW applied FAIRLY....It's ONLY in a FEW states that a person canNOT draw both SS benefits and state pension (ex. I had to pay in SS for 15 yrs at other jobs, but teaching in TX for 26 I did not pay in). I can go across the border to Okla or TN and then I CAN draw both. Makes NO SENSE... PASS THE LAW .. IT'S CALLED A *FAIRNESS* LAW !!!!!

gj

May 3, 2011, 12:14pm (report abuse)

to *** you obviously don't know what this is about.

Why is it unfair that POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS, AND TEACHERS -- state employees -- to get back even a small part of what we paid in when we worked at other jobs?? It's not for an increase in benefits. Is it fair that I paid in for 15 years and I get nothing back? Your ignorance is showing.

@gj

May 3, 2011, 2:33pm (report abuse)

Your ignorance is showing. You obviously don't understand how WEP works.

You will get a benefit each month when you become eligible. It will be smaller but it is still there. How do I know? Because I am a retired teacher from the same system.

I suggest you read up on the process and then come on back and tell us how it really works. Until then it would behoove you to keep your idiotic remarks to yourself..

For those who

May 3, 2011, 2:41pm (report abuse)

are ignorant and don't understand the WEP here is a reference to a very clear and easily understandable (even for dunces) explanation of how the WEP works. So, for those who just like to scream to make noise rather than appear to be even the least bit intelligent, perhaps a little reading is in order.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10045.html

And more for gj

May 3, 2011, 2:44pm (report abuse)

In many states teachers and other government workers are required to pay in to both the retirement system AND social security. In those cases there is no offset because they paid the social security taxes on their earnings.

It sure seems like you haven't really studied this process at all. I'm pretty sure you couldn't have been much of a teacher, based on how you present yourself here.

lihmusic

May 4, 2011, 6:56am (report abuse)

Does WEP and GPO apply to state and US elected officials? Why not. They evidently will receive a paycheck from the federal government AND from Social Security when they're old enough. Is that Social Security fairness?

@lihmusic

May 4, 2011, 10:19am (report abuse)

The same rules apply to those folks. In fact, if you had bothered to educate yourself before showing your a$$ you would find that many of these folks are required to pay social security taxes as well as contribute to their retirement plan. So why is that any different than what the rest of us go through.

I am continually amazed at the level of dumba$$ stupidity in people. But as has been said before "You just can't fix stupid."

Time Is Now

May 6, 2011, 9:29am (report abuse)

Everyone write this to the President

Just a few days ago the military responded to your call to get rid of Bin Laden. They carried out their order without hesitation and with success even putting their lives in jeopardy as in past wars. So today you shook hands with first responders, police and firefighters, who responded on 9/11. What do they get in return from you and members of Congress? REDUCE THEIR GOVERNMENT PENSION FOR LIFE WITH THE GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET!!!! JUST TO THINK YOU ARE GETTING ALL THE CREDIT AND A SURE WIN IN THE COMING ELECTION!!!! WHAT A JOKE!!! DO YOU THINK FOR ONE MOMENT YOU AND PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS WOULD HAVE SUCCESS IN THE BATTLE FIELDS ON YOUR OWN!!! REPEAL THE GPO/WEP NOW!!!!! ONLY THEN WILL YOU TRULY BE A WINNER BECAUSE YOU WILL DO SOMETHING THAT PAST PRESIDENTS AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE NOT DONE AND REFUSED TO ACT ON IN OVER THIRTY YEARS!!

@Time Is Now

May 6, 2011, 10:25am (report abuse)

Stop the presses!

Someone thinks the military is affected by the WEP.

Sorry bunky but military pensions do not cause a WEP offset. The military pays social security taxes on their pay. And they do not contribute directly to their military retirement.

Why do these dumba$$ hicks think they can just say anything and the rest of us will believe it? I've said it before and I will say it again "You just can't fix stupid."

THE WEP DOES NOT AFFECT MILITARY RETIREES.

JUST MORE STUPIDITY FROM UNEDUCATED DUMBA$$ES!

Time Is Now

May 6, 2011, 11:57am (report abuse)

To commenter @Time Is Now,

DID I MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT WEP!!! YOU ARE SO STUPID YOU CANNOT EVEN READ OR COMPREHEND!!! MILITARY PENSIONERS ARE AFFECTED BY THE GPO THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE WORLD WARS, KOREAN WAR, VIETNAM WAR AND THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY BEFORE 1984 WHO ALSO FOLLOWED ORDERS FROM THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF FOR THE SAKE OF DEMOCRACY AND IN SOME CASES DID NOT COME HOME ALIVE!!! AS IN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES/MILITARY PENSIONERS. READ AND COMPREHEND BEFORE YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF!!!!

Obama the LIAR

May 6, 2011, 12:35pm (report abuse)

How convenient for Obama after no Cost of Living for Social Security and Veterans for the 2nd year in a row, the price of gas has gone up and now food prices two weeks after the last index.

Now they are trying to say nothing for 3rd year.

Lots of voters who collect SS, Veterans, retired military and retired Federal Workers are upset

@Time Is Now

May 6, 2011, 1:13pm (report abuse)

Wrong again numbnuts. The GPO DOES NOT AFFECT military retirees. How do I know? I am a military retiree who served in the military before 1984. There is no GPO offset for my spouse. Period.

So once again DUMBA$$ you need to get your idiot a$$ educated before making stupid remarks you cannot prove.

It is idiots like this one who spread lies and half-truths hioping others will believe them. To what purpose is anyone's guess.

Just so you know

May 6, 2011, 1:25pm (report abuse)

From the Social Security website:

Government Pension Offset

A law that affects spouses and widows or widowers

If you receive a pension from a federal, state or local government based on work where you did not pay Social Security taxes, your Social Security spouse’s or widow’s or widower’s benefits may be reduced. The offset applies only to Social Security benefits as a spouse or widow or widower.

Your earned social security benefit will not be affected.

Military personnel are covered under social security. You can get both Social Security benefits and military retirement. Generally, there is no reduction of Social Security benefits because of your military retirement benefits. You’ll get your full Social Security benefit based on your earnings.

@Time Is Now

May 6, 2011, 1:29pm (report abuse)

You said "REDUCE THEIR GOVERNMENT PENSION FOR LIFE WITH THE GOVERNMENT PENSION OFFSET!!!!"

You do understand that the GPO only affects survivors benefits for spouses don't you? There is no reduction in any "pension" being paid to military retirees just because they are also eligible for social security.

It appears you are extremely confused about what the GPO really is. As was said above, it's too bad idiots like you are allowed to show your dumba$$ to the world, trying to spread misinformation and outright lies.

Bill Sheaffer

May 14, 2011, 10:36pm (report abuse)

Why is not one entitled to one's entire amount of their social security check? I worked until I was 35 where SS taxes were withdrawn from my paycheck. Why am I being penalized for being a participant in the CSRS system? After all, I will receiving all to which I am entitled in my present position with the US Postal Service.

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May 15, 2011, 12:51am (report abuse)

Why? This bill would give an unfair increase in benefits to those who did not pay in as much as the rest of us.

VOTE NO!

@ll Sheaffer

May 15, 2011, 12:59am (report abuse)

Perhaps if you would read first instead of just whining you would know the answer.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10045.html

THE WEP IS FAIR!

THIS BILL IS WRONG!

VOTE NO!

severt

May 22, 2011, 5:07pm (report abuse)

Just to clarify Mr. ***. You collect military benefits AND SS?

@severt

May 22, 2011, 11:35pm (report abuse)

"Just to clarify Mr. ***. You collect military benefits AND SS?"

Yes. That is true. Military members pay social security taxes on their income each and every month.

Joeb

June 2, 2011, 8:20pm (report abuse)

To @sick of it: you told the former coal coal miner to "Quit whining." And you said that he sounded "like a sour old man who wasn't smart enough to stay out of the coal mines." Well my response to that is: F*CK YOU!!! You chicken-sh*t poster, if you ever said anything like that in the presence of a coal miner, he'd whip your prissy *ss! You have some nerve insulting the hard working men and women of this country. You've probably never done a day's work in your entire miserable life. And hell yes they should repeal WEP, you punk!

ArizonaSteve

June 2, 2011, 10:02pm (report abuse)

I'm shaking in my boots here. Mister Tough Guy came in and started shooting off his mouth.

Listen up asswipe. If you don't like it stick it in your a$$.

As far as the WEP there is nothing wrong with it. It keeps those who draw a non-social security retirement from receiving more than they deserve.

THE WEP IS FAIR!

THIS BILL IS WRONG!

VOTE NO!

Attica

June 23, 2011, 5:59pm (report abuse)

Look at it this way: Say you open a savings account at bank A in 1975 and then in 1990 you open up a savings account in bank B. In 2005 you retire and need to cash in your savings but are told that since you have money coming to you from Bank B, you can not have the money you deposited in bank A. Thus if SS is bank A and another entity is bank B, would it be fair to be denied the money you deposited in bank A?

@Attica

June 23, 2011, 6:14pm (report abuse)

That isn't how the WEP works. And I suspect you know that and are just stirring things around.

THE WEP IS FAIR!

THIS BILL IS WRONG!

VOTE NO!

cor69vet

(logged-in user) June 27, 2011, 12:19pm (report abuse)

Ok, my 2 cents. People do not get any advantage but quite the contrary. They are being penalized for working in a system that does not have SSN. The only thing people are asking for is to receive a return on what they invested. If they worked 30 years as a Police officer without SSN, they have their pension from that. Then if they work 15 years under SSN they only thing they are asking for the whatever return they get for those 15 years and what salary they made under those conditions. It has nothing to do with what they made in those 30 years. Can y'all see why it is called the "Fairness Act". WOuld you like to put money into your 401(k) and not receive the return from that? Of course not..and that is all that is being asked..if you put $5000 into they account to receive whatever benefit that would give you..nothing more.

Thank you.

@cor69vet

June 27, 2011, 3:11pm (report abuse)

You need to educate yourself before you make statements like that. It just shows your lack of intelligence.

The WEP does not take away anything that was earned. It stops those who did not pay in on their employment from gaining from the current formula used to calculate benefits.

THE WEP IS FAIR.

THIS BILL IS BAD FOR SOCIAL SECURITY,

VOTE NO!

Diane Leonard

July 8, 2011, 7:12pm (report abuse)

Paid into SS, was supose to get a whopping 546. per month, but because I have a small pension that after taxes and health care insurance, I net 16,900 per year. SS says that 16,900 per year is a windfall and will only give me 258 per month. Geeze.. thank you so much...

so much for not hurting SS people making under 100,000.. Thanks Obama

@Diane Leonard

July 10, 2011, 1:31am (report abuse)

Sounds like you received exactly what you deserve.

Russell

(logged-in user) July 11, 2011, 11:03am (report abuse)

I paid into social security and worked very hard for these benefits, need this money and I am more deserving of it than illegal aliens and foreign nations.

Those who oppose this bill wish only to contribute to the cause of those who are invading our country or foreign nations who expect us to be their cash cow.

WEP and GPO are evil and unjust laws.

This bill is good for America and Social Security.

Vote YES

Russell

(logged-in user) July 11, 2011, 11:09am (report abuse)

Hey cor67vet,

The WEP does not take away anything that was earned. It stops those who did not pay in on their employment from gaining from the current formula used to calculate benefits.

You sound like a millionaire or one of their republican slave/stooges. Are you?

@Russell

July 12, 2011, 11:04am (report abuse)

The WEP does not take away anything that was earned. It stops those who did not pay in on their employment from gaining from the current formula used to calculate benefits.

You get what you deserve, not what you think you should be able to screw the rest of us out of.

You sound like an @sshole. Are you?

Retired Teacher

July 19, 2011, 10:51am (report abuse)

Name-calling is the lowest level of persuasion..but you're not trying to persuade, are you? Shoving your self-righteous ideas down the throats of others is your style. I hope that the people who are the recipients of your vitriolic remarks realize that you are desperately trying to vindicate a position which is wrong. In order to make it "seem" right you attack others. Sad, isn't it? Let others make up their own minds--they will you know.

@Retired Teacher

July 20, 2011, 9:49pm (report abuse)

You must have been one of those old-maid language arts teachers. Frustrating isn't it, when no one has to listen to you.

And by the

July 20, 2011, 9:52pm (report abuse)

way there, old retired language arts teacher - Do you have anything to say that is pertinent to this bill? Seems not, since all you are able to do is trot out your ten cent words.

Dacookie

July 26, 2011, 4:25pm (report abuse)

After reading some of the comments

there are some screwed--up people.

Police, other Public saftey, as well as teachers don't get paid enough any how. Many of us have paid into SSA fow years while working in other employment. We want our benefits just the same as everyone eles.

Dacookie

July 26, 2011, 4:27pm (report abuse)

I support HR1332

@Dacookie

July 26, 2011, 11:28pm (report abuse)

You will get the benefits you deserve. Nothing more. And that is just as it should be.

THE WEP IS FAIR!

IT KEEPS SOME FROM GETTING MORE THAN THEY DESERVE!

VOTE NO!

Teacher

July 30, 2011, 11:11am (report abuse)

If you worked in a job and SS was taken from your wages, then @Dacookie how can you say "you will get the benefits you deserve", then say to vote NO????? If as you say i will get the benefits I deserve then why do you support me getting less?????? Vote Yes and support this bill. I guess if you were paying each month to buy a new car, you think you would deserve only getting the four tires when you finished paying? Is that your rationale?????

@WOW !!

July 31, 2011, 7:14pm (report abuse)

Retired teachers post dtd 7/19 - Thank You!!! It couldn't have been said any better. I have responded to this individual in the past but it is a waste of time. He is obviously critically bored and probably friendless. The comment "Do you have any thing to say pertinent to the bill" really displayed his ignorance. He comments on almost everyone elses posts, but really says NOTHING! Lets just hope that he wasn't a teacher. What a scary thought !!! I think most folks ignore this guy and will continue to do so. The majority of us on this site have the same concerns and issues and that is what is important. Again, thanks I loved your comments.

Gail - -

July 31, 2011, 8:38pm (report abuse)

Ref: Dacookie: just thought I would point out that the "screwed up" comments are all coming from (1) person. A MAJOR attention seeker.

webmaster

(logged-in user) July 31, 2011, 11:23pm (report abuse)

Logged-in users can block comments from annoying people.

Read about it here:

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Same Old Crap

August 4, 2011, 6:09pm (report abuse)

All these leeches want to do is suck more out of the system than they really deserve. Not one of them has ever bothered to read the how and why of the WEP. Every one of them is only out to get more than they should.

The WEP is fair. It stops the scammers and leeches from sucking the system dry.

VOTE NO!

YEP!

August 10, 2011, 10:41am (report abuse)

I get my social security check AND my military retirement check AND my company retirement check AND my VA check every month. No WEP offset for me.

I get a lot of money from all you taxpayers and I LOVE EVERY PENNY OF IT!

Keep on giving me more money. I won't complain.

Samuel

August 13, 2011, 10:46am (report abuse)

We get it "YEP." You got it all. And you worry about losing some of your pennies if this passes. If it does not, maybe we should pass a bill that will reduce SS for everyone who collects retirement benefits somewhere else. Like you. I suspect you are the one who has a comment for all the other blogs. What is your problem?

Rita

August 13, 2011, 10:55am (report abuse)

To "Old Crap." It is not more that what we deserve. It IS what we deserve based on the same calculation they use to pay you.

Same Old Crap

August 13, 2011, 11:28pm (report abuse)

All these leeches want to do is suck more out of the system than they really deserve. Not one of them has ever bothered to read the how and why of the WEP. Every one of them is only out to get more than they should.

The WEP is fair. It stops the scammers and leeches from sucking the system dry.

VOTE NO!

Joeb

August 28, 2011, 1:46pm (report abuse)

Your national debt number shows repealing WEP & GPO will increase the national debt bu $413 per family. So what? If it's all about saving money and cheating pensioners to pay billions to Afghanistan, Egypt, etc., we could save even more money by CUTTING EVERYONE'S SOCIAL SECURITY across the board. Why should our government cheat just one group to pay for outlandish federal waste. And consider this: It's going to cost us over FOUR TRILLION to pay for the Iraq & Afghanistan wars - not counting the billions to rebuild. Now you know where the "savings" go when pensioners are cheated out of their earned Social Security benefits.

Joeb

August 28, 2011, 1:51pm (report abuse)

VOTE YES! Despite what some boneheads are saying about some people gaining an unfair advantage in "unearned" benefits, that simply is not true. If you earned a non-governmental pension and paid separately into Social Security, you're entitled to reap the benefits of exactly what you earned. So the rule should apply fairly across the board. No one is asking to receive more Social Security benefits than he or she is entitled to. But it's unjust to change the rules in mid-stream and cut earned Social Security benefits by up to 60% for over a million and a half seniors. It's unjust and the WEP-GPO laws should be repealed immediately. I'm not voting for anyone - Republican or Democrat - who thins otherwise.

Joeb

August 28, 2011, 1:57pm (report abuse)

To the intellectually challenged person who who wrote: "Too bad! So sad! No money for you!! VOTE NO!" You seem to resent the fact that pensioners should be allowed to reap the rewards of benefits they have EARNED. Of course you feel that way because it doesn't effect you. But the government has already saved a lot of money by cheating people out of their EARNED BENEFITS for the last 25 years. So all this talk about increasing today's debt burden is b.s. Also, I'm willing to give up 60% of my EARNED SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS when insensitive bozos like you are willing to give up theirs.

Joeb

August 28, 2011, 2:07pm (report abuse)

Big Mouth Arizona Steve, you are a real idiot if you think WEP is fair. We're talking about EARNED benefits not UNEARNED benefits. And if you're shaking in your boots, it's probably because your nose can no longer stand the odor coming from your feet.

VOTE YES! It's the fair thing to do.

***

August 29, 2011, 12:43am (report abuse)

The problem for all you whiners who want the WEP repealed is that you don't even understand how the benefit is calculated. Until you learn that basic fact you are nothing more than crybabies mewling in your pablum.

The WEP is fair. It prevents certain individuals who did not pay in to the system on ALL their wages from reaping and unfair benefit over those of us who PAID ON EVERY LAST CENT.

THE WEP IS FAIR!

VOTE NO!

witty

(logged-in user) September 1, 2011, 10:20am (report abuse)

It is unfair that the wife of someone who paid into Social Security cannot draw against their husband's Social Security account just because the worked for Civil Service and receive a pension from CSRS. If the wife had worked for a non-government company that provided a pension, the wife could draw her own company pension and draw again her husband's Social Security account. (Wife and husband were used here because spouse would be confusing.)

@witty

September 2, 2011, 10:49pm (report abuse)

Same old whine.

"IT'S NOT FAIR"

"GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

They get what they deserve nothing more.

VOTE NO!

Len

September 8, 2011, 1:06am (report abuse)

The SS law as written when I started work required 40 quarters of contributions.I had fulfilled my part of the bargain while the govt.changed the rules in mid stream.I completed an additional 30 years of contributions whereby my employer fulfilled their part. VOTE YES

Russell

(logged-in user) September 9, 2011, 9:24am (report abuse)

If politicians did not rob us of our social security, how could they afford to pay Israel 3 billion a year in foreign aid, Egypt 1.5 billion, Pakistan, Afghanistan, even Ireland gets 17 million; not to mention the illegal immigrants?

@Len

September 10, 2011, 2:40pm (report abuse)

If, and it is a big IF, you "completed an additional 30 years of contributions" you are not in any way affected by the WEP.

Most likely you simply went on your way to a government job and paid NOTHING in to the social security trust fund. In that case you will GET WHAT YOU DESERVE, and nothing more.

Too Bad!

So Sad!

The scammers are crying but they don't get more!

THE WEP IS FAIR!

VOTE NO!

BE

September 29, 2011, 10:20am (report abuse)

Folks, Go to http://wh.gov/4KL

create an account and sign the petition that's already set up for you.

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September 30, 2011, 12:14am (report abuse)

Same old whine.

"IT'S NOT FAIR"

"GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

They get what they deserve nothing more.

VOTE NO!

Blazer

October 5, 2011, 4:41pm (report abuse)

Hey, I want the retirement our capitol hill reps get....100% with auto-increase each year and total medical coverage.

Blazer

October 5, 2011, 5:03pm (report abuse)

No worry to all who say VOTE NO. Check out the history on WEP, this has been ongoing as far back as 2005 and usually ends up going to the Social Security Committee."Put the chickens in the fox pen."

@Blazer

October 5, 2011, 5:24pm (report abuse)

Maybe you should check the current retirement benefits for congress before you open your mouth and show your @ss.

Same old whine.

"IT'S NOT FAIR"

"GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

You get what you deserve and nothing more.

VOTE NO!

hold345

October 17, 2011, 7:13pm (report abuse)

I'm a teacher. Prior to teaching, I worked my way through college and worked several years in sales and in the banking industry. I paid into SS more than enough quarters to qualify for benefits. My husband who works for the railroad has paid into the spousal retirement program for 33 years. Because of WEP and GPO, although we paid into SS and RR Retirement I will only be able to receive 25% of what I have earned. Others, who are not teachers, will get 100% although they paid no more into the system than I have. WEP and GPO is robbery. The government is stealing 75% of my retirement while telling me that I am trying to "double dip". Well, I worked double...often 3 jobs at a time to make enough money to survive!

@hold345

October 18, 2011, 12:06am (report abuse)

Same old whine.

"IT'S NOT FAIR"

"GIMME! GIMME! GIMME!"

You get what you - deserve nothing more. Too bad you are not allowed to screw the system out of more than you deserve.

VOTE NO!

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