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S. 727, The Prevention of Equine Cruelty Act of 2009 (2844 comments ↓ | 4 wiki edits: view article ↓)

S. 727 would amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain conduct relating to the use of horses for human consumption.

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Anita

July 29, 2009, 11:57am (report abuse)

Pro or Con, we need to preserve the right of choice to eat meat. The choice of meat, to include all mammals, fish, wildlife, reptiles and so on, should also be preserved. This is the United States and we support all cultures around the world, some of which do eat horse meat. The practice in which the slaughter/process the "animal" endures, should be our focus. It must be as humane as possible and this CAN be done.

Anti's will argue, that due to the anatomy of a horse, a humane way to process is not possible. NOT TRUE.
I have seen horses stunned for several minutes with a ball bat between the ears. If we have to get NASA involved, so be it. It would still be more cost effective than what the Anti's plan to do.

NO to 727

vicki

(logged in user) July 29, 2009, 12:37pm (report abuse)

Anita, nobody is taking away your right to eat meat. There is NO SLIPPERY SLOPE, this has nothing to do with beef or poultry. In our culture, we do not eat our horses, dogs and cats. That does not mean we condemn other cultures or that we want to change them. We are not forcing our culture on them and we do not want their cultures forced on us. When you move to another country, you assimilate into their society. If I move to India, I am certainly not going to expect them to open slaughter plants so I can have a steak.

Many countries do not allow citizens to have guns. Do you want that culture practiced here? There are cannibalistic cultures. Do you want that culture here? How about drugs? How about murder? No, you only want a culture that goes against the humane values of our country.

If the breeders would quit producing excess horses every year, there is no cost to anyone. They are the problem and that is what needs to be addressed.

get a clue

July 31, 2009, 6:22pm (report abuse)

I think we have much bigger problems than an over population of horses...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

shoshone

August 4, 2009, 6:45pm (report abuse)

We miss you Leah,

Please go to abolish horse slaughter canada and read the great news.

New EU rules may end slaughter of American horses. Starting April, 2010 EU and CFIA will follow strict rules for any horses slaughtered for human consumption. Complete health records or 180 day guarantine for each horse will be required.

About time.

vicki

(logged in user) August 7, 2009, 10:52pm (report abuse)

Excellent commentary by RT Fitch - ...http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/08/041.shtml

Unsafe Food

August 8, 2009, 9:25pm (report abuse)

From horse killer Manny:

"I provide a service. People are revolted when I tell them I process horses for a living, but without me there would be thousands of starving horses living on our streets. On that girlie website of yours you wrote how I exploit horses. Wrong. I exploit alcohol. I exploit Burger King. But with horses I provide a service. I mop up. I clean up the mess left by morons who just have to breed their mare. A few years later no one wants the baby anymore, so I come in to mop up. How come you never write about those morons who just have to breed their mare? Every spring I send dozens of mares and new foals to the meat plant. And every spring there are idiots breeding more babies. All of your do right for horses cause they built America is crap. The only way to do right for horses is to stop breeding them."

Unsafe Food

August 8, 2009, 9:26pm (report abuse)

To Anita:

Do you send horses to slaughter?

If so, did you ever give them bute?

If so, do you the FDA order regarding bute?

D. Masters

August 9, 2009, 6:15pm (report abuse)

UF:

I think good old Anita, like Dave D. says that she doesn't send to slaughter...but believes in fighting for it. Odd, isn't it? Frankly I think they are playing word games. They may not sell directly to slaughter, but I bet you horses they have sold or taken to auction have wound up there soon afterward.

Pass this bill Senators...protect consumers from dangerous meat; protect the equines from this horrific abuse.

Anita

August 11, 2009, 3:27pm (report abuse)

To begin with, I do not believe in using Bute. It is a bandaid for a symptom, not a cure.

Secondly, years ago when I was ambitious and foolish, I would buy horses from the auction barn, retrain them and use them in my 4-H or lesson program. I would also buy backyard horses from people who couldn't get along with them or just didn't have the means to care for them anymore. Out of all the horses I took in and retrained, there turned out to be three that I sent on to the auction barn with strict instruction to send them to kill. One was a beautiful palomino stallion that was diagnosed with Wobblers (a "backyarder" I had futilely spent time and money with homepathic remedies on). Not a safe horse for anyone, no cure and certainly nothing to continue putting money into. Another was one that after a year of training, was never mentally or emotionally sound enough to ever be trusted with anyone other than me. I already had a barn full and didn't need one like this taking up a stall.

Anita

August 11, 2009, 3:49pm (report abuse)

The third horse I sent was also never going to be safe due to mental issues acquired before he came to me. This is something I typically encountered from horses being cared for by people who lacked the knowledge and experience required to own a horse.

It is common sense to anticipate that we will continue to see more and more of this as the horse population continues to grow and more people are forced to either euth or feed the horse until death. Most people don't have what it takes to sentence a horse to death, even if it is by euthanization. Hence this Bills "anti slaughter" popularity.

The auction barns provided an option for people with unwanted horses. Even though people were well aware their horse may end up at the slaughter house, they could live with themselves by hoping otherwise and resting with the not knowing for sure. Without slaughter, the auction barns are coming to an end.

Regulation of meat for human consumption is a must no matter what animal it is.

Anita

August 11, 2009, 3:59pm (report abuse)

Senators,

DO NOT PASS this bill.

Protect the public from morbidity and mortality related to caring for increased numbers of unwanted, unsafe and unmarketable horses.

Regulate horse meat. It will be more cost effective.

vicki

(logged in user) August 11, 2009, 8:45pm (report abuse)

Anita, as you said, bute is a band aid, not a cure. Slaughter is a symptom, not a cure. You need to address the problem and fix it at the root. Slaughter will only perpetuate the problem as it has done year after year. They can’t bring themselves to euthanize their horse but can send them off to be vivisected? That’s a good one.

Contrary to anti-horse propaganda, our horses are raised and bred for other purposes. The horses are given meds that are banned for food animals. Bute is commonplace for pain management as well as wormers, ointments, etc., that are for routine maintenance and preventatives so our horses can perform the functions they were bred and raised to perform. They do not become food animals because they no longer perform their functions. If a horse is racing, he is not food. If a horse is herding livestock, he is not food. If a horse is performing, he is not food. If a horse is serving law enforcement or providing therapy, he is not food.

Unsafe Food

August 11, 2009, 9:41pm (report abuse)

Horse slaughter is definitely a symptom of a widespread disease among horse owners who as horse killer Manny says: "....morons just have to breed their mares...."

1) Regarding the three horses you sent to slaughter, do you know whether any of the three horses were given bute?

2) Why not call the good ole American vet and euthanize the horses by chemical overdose rather than sending the three horses to slaughter?

3) Once a backyard breeder always a backyard breeder.....You git what you pay for....garbage in equals garbage out.

Senators: PASS THIS BILL!

Unsafe Food

August 11, 2009, 9:55pm (report abuse)

Anita says: "Protect the public from morbidity and mortality related to caring for increased numbers of unwanted, unsafe and unmarketable horses."

Horse killer Manny says: "I mop up. I clean up the mess left by morons who just have to breed their mare. A few years later no one wants the baby anymore, so I come in to mop up. How come you never write about those morons who just have to breed their mare? Every spring I send dozens of mares and new foals to the meat plant. And every spring there are idiots breeding more babies. All of your do right for horses cause they built America is crap. The only way to do right for horses is to stop breeding them."

Catch a clue Anita. If horse killer Manny has figured this out, so can you.

D. Masters

August 12, 2009, 7:40am (report abuse)

Once again, we have a quote from a so-called horse expert that a horse that is deemed diseased or too dangerous to ride/train is too much a risk to euth humanely, but not too dangerous to eat; even though it may have been exposed to bute. Now, if that isn't some of the most seriously askew logic, I don't know what is.

And I just have to ask...if you don't medicate for pain in a horse, just what the Hades is being done to manage pain in your horses?????? Nothing?!?! Perfect logic that completes the goofy logic circle utilized by clueless. Just perfect.

PASS 727

PASS 727

Anita

August 12, 2009, 9:50am (report abuse)

The point being made by the above entry I have shared, is that there are people (like myself, years ago) that enjoy horses and people and are trying to make a living at it. All but three horses out of hundreds, went on to live full and productive lives that impacted beginning horse people in a positive way. Who knows, maybe one of those horses belonged to one of the readers here.
I personally, no longer make my living at this, but understand that those that do, are not only providing a great service to the equine population but to our beginning horse lovers as well.

Again, I do not advocate inhumane slaughter practice. However it is a link in the industry that has made it strong. Getting rid of slaughter will have a ripple effect in both positive and negative ways and I feel we need to consider the pros and cons before passing this bill.

Anita

August 12, 2009, 10:09am (report abuse)

This will be my last entry. I don't have the time to debate with uneducated horse people pretending to know it all.

D. Masters..I use aspirin, chiropractors, massage therapists, my farrier, therapeutic saddle pads and boots, magnetic therapy, heat and cold therapy and so on to prevent or manage pain in horses. The Food Animal Residue Avoidance Databank- FARAD, recommends a 1 day withdrawal period for aspirin. If Bute is needed for pain, it is time to put the horse down or semi-retire it to an easier position in life.

Unsafe Food,
CAN YOU PROVE BUTE RESIDUE IN MEAT CAUSES HARM? or are you assuming it does?
Those three horses paid the next feed bill on the horses left home standing in the barn. These horses were not mine to begin with, I gave them a second chance and they didn't make the cut. It is business, they are not pets.
BTW-You may want to read some of my past posts, before you judge who I am and what I do.

Anita

August 12, 2009, 10:14am (report abuse)

Vicky,
Thanks for sharing your OPINION.

However, I Disagree.

D. Masters

August 12, 2009, 12:25pm (report abuse)

Anita:

You may use aspirin and other therapeutic modalities(and that's great), but most owners are not like you, especially the racing game. So until protections, testing, enforcement and purity are assured...sorry, can't send them to the meatman for humans. And again, this is only part of the equine welfare problem.

Happy Trails.

...and 3 is still toooo many and they didn't deserve it, but you still got paid. The horses you speak of deserved a decent death. You think slaughter is; I don't.

Pass 727

Pass 727

vicki

(logged in user) August 12, 2009, 3:08pm (report abuse)

Not opinion. Fact. Our horses are not raised as food animals. They are raised for other purposes. Fact.

Unsafe Food

August 12, 2009, 10:18pm (report abuse)

Anita,

The proof in the pudding is the FDA order. You can look it up on the internet. The FDA order does NOT allow any horse to be given bute if the horse is sent to slaughter for human consumption. You can read the summary the FDA provided regarding the side effects of bute when it was on the market for human use. Alternatively, you can get on PubMed and do a literature search about the reported effects in humans. You will see a report where a jockey took bute horse pills after falling off a horse and died of aplastic anemia.

Does bute cause harm in meat? Do you know that it doesn't?

The point is that bute is not allowed to be given to any horse sent to slaughter for human consumption. Anti-horse people always remain silent when I ask them whether they gave their horses bute prior to sending them to slaughter. The FDA and the USDA (for animals slaughtered in the US) take bute VERY SERIOUSLY as they should.

Unsafe Food

August 12, 2009, 10:21pm (report abuse)

To Anita:

You say: "Those three horses paid the next feed bill on the horses left home standing in the barn."

Response: I actually don't want to know who you are as your above comment tells me more than enough about you.

shoshone

August 15, 2009, 3:21pm (report abuse)

A lady from Washington wrote a letter to the Western Producer regarding horse medicines. If you want a list of the drugs the U.S. horses are given please take a look at www.vetsforequinewelfare.org/medications.php. She says "if these drugs were given to beef cattle they would have to be destroyed as toxic waste."

D. Masters

August 15, 2009, 7:33pm (report abuse)

You would think the documented cruelty would be enough to stop this horror on our equines, but to realize that our government, the exporting AND importing governments could frankly care less about the humans consuming this meat is absolutely tragic and downright criminal.

PASS 727

PASS 727

PASS 727

Hmmmm

August 25, 2009, 10:42pm (report abuse)

Unsafe Food:
Are you Dr Ann Marini?
Sure sounds like you.

shoshone

August 27, 2009, 12:10am (report abuse)

Finally someone has recognized that horse meat is unsafe. The European Union Equine Food Safety Requirements are intended for horses for food production. By next April they want a system of identity verification. Also a prohibition on the use of anabolic steroids and other prohibited drugs and a miniumum of 6 months withdrawl period for veterinary medicinal products. Horses in feedlots will not be treated with drugs.
Sounds like they consider horse meat unsafe food.

Unsafe Food

August 29, 2009, 10:28am (report abuse)

To Hmmmm:

Your evil heart betrays you.

D. Masters

August 29, 2009, 9:11pm (report abuse)

UF:

I wish it were that simple.

Hmmm is a profiteer, skimming the equines via regs and laws without enforcement that is currently our Nation's system.

Hmmm is a scooper or breeder/user that depends on slaughter to dispose of their output/intake without payout for same. Cheap pieces of garbage. Just for example: why does someone pay for breeding/training/upkeep (assuming that they do this in the first place) and sell to HCHS?????

Answer: The miniscule amount of money for diposal as opposed to paying for accountable, scientifically documented medical disposal which requires out of pocket expense.

PASS this bill!!! Make people behave even if they don't want to.

Hmmmm

September 2, 2009, 1:43pm (report abuse)

Just asking a non biased question. The writing pattern was similar to Ann. Didn't know it was going to cause an explosion! No need to be soooo sensitive.
Congress-lets clean up healthcare.

Unsafe Food

September 4, 2009, 10:14pm (report abuse)

Congress: Pass S727 NOW.

D. Masters

September 5, 2009, 9:28am (report abuse)

I'm assuming (and actually KNOW) that Congress can multi-task. There are many important issues...if you are so concerned about healthcare (which is basically an attempt to DIMINISH and sidetrack the HCHS issue), why aren't you concerned about humans eating meat that can cause a myriad of health conditions such as : suppressed immune system, aplastic anemia and worms/parasites?????? Horsemeat is directly related to human health. It is also an issue of cruelty to the equidae.

Congress, clean up our food system and you'll go a long way toward improving human health. Stopping HCHS is a step in that direction.

PASS 727/1579 & HR503/305

D. Masters

September 5, 2009, 12:46pm (report abuse)

Forgot to add....you are NOT asking a nonbiased question. You are attempting to question a poster based on the name of the poster...not the message and thereby shifting the focus of this debate. Stay on topic! What is wrong with the content of the post. I'd do business with Satan, yes, Satan to stop this cruelty and irresponsibility to humans and horses. But remember, I would not sell my soul to do the same. Which is basically what all in HCHS do everyday.

Congress, you have a ton of business to do. Let's start with enforcing current laws through and to prosecution and clean up our food system.

PASS 727

EricN

September 6, 2009, 2:23am (report abuse)

Those who are against horse slaughter are actually perpetuating the cruelty they claim to be against.

It's a fact that there are too many horses for the economy of horse enthusiasts to absorb. As a result, animals are being turned loose to die of starvation in anguish. Hoarders who believe themselves to be rescues are taking in more animals than they can afford and are starving them. The lack of good homes makes people hang onto horses long after they can afford to keep them.

With the closing of slaughter houses in the US, the only release valve is slaughter in Mexico or Canada. And those unregulated places are worse!

Forbidding shipping to slaugher will result in more abandonment and neglect. Those are just facts.

Stars in the eyes make good movies but bad policy. You should be lobbying for humane methods of either slaughter or euthenasia. Anything else may make you feel good, but it makes matters worse.

Unsafe Food

September 6, 2009, 3:27pm (report abuse)

To EricN:

More propaganda by yet another anti-horse person.

1) Provide specific information on this board of horses that are being set loose.

2) Horse slaughter has been going on for years yet anti-horse people like you still use horse starvation as an excuse. 134,000 American equines were slaughtered in 2008.

You have NO facts. You only have an opinion.

You are making yourself feel good by denying the real facts so you can continue to send horses to slaughter.

More bs from horse haters.

D. Masters

September 10, 2009, 5:13pm (report abuse)

Hey EricN:

How about some discussion about the problems with the economy and how it's impacting luxury items like equines and pets...always the first to go? After some intellgent debate about the economy, how about an intelligent debate about horse slaughter versus humane euthanasia? How about noncertifiable drug exposure and purity of US Horsemeat? How about the statistics that show the overwhelming majority of equine owners in the US DO NOT UTILIZE HCHS, nor do they need to!!!

The only humans prepetuating pain and suffering of equines are those owners that don't care satisfactorily for them to include death, whether in good times or bad. The ones using the payout that is HCHS are the ones responsible. I know how to euthanize a horse that I choose to either keep or can't afford any longer....and it ain't gonna be the meatman to inflict pain on my loyal servants peddling poison meat to humans.

Senators...get going, pass S727 AND 1579 while you are at it.

D. Masters

October 4, 2009, 1:16pm (report abuse)

October 4th, 2009

... and Food UNSafety, UNemployement, BLM UNnecessary Mustang/Burro round-ups, Banking/Wall Street UNoversight and the UNderinsured death spiral continues UNder the ever corrupted, paid for "eye" of Congress. As I type, equines are being transported, abused, butchered alive. But I guess you all are too busy bashing Obama or "trolling" for campaign/lobbying/reelection cash for your fiefdoms.

Pass this bill! Fix dirty food! Stop cruelty and irresponsibilty bashed repeatedly on US equines. While you're at it...clean up the US meat export and domestic industries!!!

PASS S727/1579/HR503/305

Kat

(logged in user) October 4, 2009, 5:37pm (report abuse)

I see it's still the same empty arguements by the anti slaughter. Still with the TAINTED meat line, right now there are over 10,000 horses on the Yakama Reservation in Washington state that have NO chemicals or medications in their systems, why wouldn't those horses be suitable for human consumption?

D. Masters

October 8, 2009, 6:15am (report abuse)

There are NO medication rules for human consumption horse slaughter in the US...it is an "honor system". You cannot guarantee that each and every one of those Yakima horses have or have not been exposed to exempted meds. In addition, not every equine going to slaughter for human consumption comes from the Yakima reservation. So I'd say you're the "empty" one perpetuating unproven, undocumented so called facts to maintain the slaughter for human consumption hard headed diatribe. And the med issue is only one aspect of our position that HCHS is a cruel, inhumane process peddling unsafe meat to humans...and the EU recognizes the drug issue whether you want to or not.

Pass these bills.

vicki

(logged in user) October 8, 2009, 8:14pm (report abuse)

Interesting. 10,000 horses that are not being wormed, that don’t receive meds when they are sick, no fly spray, never get cuts and require ointment, etc. Sounds like animal neglect to me.

N

October 9, 2009, 1:32am (report abuse)

I'm from Australia and am waiting for this bill to be passed. Its a matter of keeping senators and politicians in check on their quick decisions put forward without first asking the people.
Humans have the ability to be moral and should stop throwing it out the window for temporary profit.

Tessa Hughes

November 21, 2009, 11:41am (report abuse)

I am concerned about the unintentional harmful effect this bill has on horses. Typically, although the vast majority of equines are useful and beloved animals, some few are not. They may have a dangerous temperament, or have suffered a painful incurable injury, for example. Horses are utility animals, and have historically carried a base livestock value; in the last 50 years, the avg. base value has been 50-75 cents a pound ($500-$750 per horse). Thus, regardless of quality, any equine carried this livestock value, such as a cow or sheep. You could improve upon a horse's value through training and good care. Without this base value, many people cannot afford to care for horses and now cannot sell them. Cash-strapped owners are without a humane alternative and are forced to allow them to starve or to abandon them in conditions in which they cannot survive. Rescue facilities are beyond capacity; putting down a horse, due to the burial expense ($200 and up)is not an option.

Unsafe Food

November 21, 2009, 8:50pm (report abuse)

To Tessa Hughes

There is no relationship between abuse/neglect and slaughter. This is why you still see starving horses. If people who abuse/neglect their horses sent them to slaughter, which is still available to horse owners even today, you wouldn't see starving horses!

The reason horses are worthless is because of OVERBREEDING.

There are responsible horse owners who have lost their jobs etc and can't afford to care for horses. However, there are many IRRESPONSIBLE horse owners/breeders who continue to overbreed because they have the slaughter option, even today. 134,000 horses were sent to slaughter in 2008 yet we hear the same violin song about starving horses and the poor horse market. The economy has resulted in a further reduction in prices on everything including the price of a horse.

Responsible horse owners need to aggressively find homes for their horses BEFORE they lose weight. Their vets should help and HSUS has useful information on their website.

Canada

November 23, 2009, 6:50pm (report abuse)

Starvation and abuse in Canada where there are lots of slaughter houses!There is no relationship between abuse/neglect and slaughter.
http://www.thespec.com/article/627731

D. Masters

November 25, 2009, 12:34pm (report abuse)

Tessa Hughes:

If you can't afford to put a horse down humanely (gunshot or chem), then you can't afford to own a horse. It's that simple.

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