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S. 1579, The Restore Our American Mustangs Act (48 comments ↓)

S. 1579 would amend the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act to improve the management and long-term health of wild free-roaming horses and burros.

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vicki

(logged-in user) August 12, 2009, 8:58am (report abuse)

The truth is out about how our Mustangs are being systematically exterminated. The deception and lies have been exposed as evidence by the swift passage of HR 1018.

Let’s make it happen and get a win for our Mustangs.

PASS S 1579 / Protect our Heritage

Barb AZ

September 12, 2009, 10:22pm (report abuse)

We can no longer trust the BLM to make intelligent decisions to protect our horses. Let's get this bill passed!

Bren - GA

September 14, 2009, 9:09am (report abuse)

The BLM has proven that they are incapable of responsibly managing our wild horses based on the recent Pryor Mtn. round-up. Please pass S 1579.

Kathy CA

September 19, 2009, 11:26am (report abuse)

We need S 1579 passed to stop the insanity of our current wild horse mismanagement. These horses deserve better, and time is running out.

Teri CA

September 23, 2009, 4:20am (report abuse)

Special interests have the government in their pocket. If S 1579 doesn't pass, just consider your elected officials bought and paid for.

Miguel

October 18, 2009, 4:02pm (report abuse)

They aren't your horses. These are introduced exotic animals that drive out native species. They get a pass on this and are allowed to live because they're "pretty". You same people who want to protect feral horses are against protecting native species, including wolves, because they're not as "pretty". I support all efforts to remove feral horses from the environment!

Shirley

October 22, 2009, 10:41pm (report abuse)

Miguel: We are not against protecting the wolves or any other creature that needs protecting. Wild mustangs DO NOT drive out any species. You are very badly misinformed, or not very well read.

D. Masters

October 28, 2009, 4:59pm (report abuse)

Old "Miguel":

I hardly call a native North American species exotic. There is information that they are indigenous and are either reintroduced or actually survived in pocket areas. There is Native American oral tradition that supports the story of the horses BEFORE the Spanairds. And isn't the US Government doing just a fine job protecting wolves, bison, mountain lions, polar bears, etc (I could go on and on). These are the same entities, with a ton of incompetence and corruption from localities and states that are erradicating the American mustang...burro is a bit different story.

And sorry, Miguelito....they ARE MY HORSES and yours and every other American citizen's.

Stop the roundups, investigate the BLM, USDA, Forestry, Park Services and develop objective management plans with science not headed up by cattlemen, loggers and miners.

To bumblers

October 28, 2009, 10:56pm (report abuse)

Its hard to root for the wild "Mustang" when 80% of them could be DNA connected to AQHA, APHA and TB blood, along with those that didn't know what else to do with their odd breeds. The government may be blooming bumblers, but the "save the horses gang" better line up right behind them because they don't have a clue what they're trying to protect.

D. Masters

October 29, 2009, 12:40pm (report abuse)

To "another" bumblers:

Regardless of total scientific verification of genetic origin, the complaint by those supporting the mustangs/burros is that the BLM stinks at what they are legally charged with protecting, CURRENTLY. And your blood tests data is published where????? So stifle the 80% garbage. And exactly what the Hades is an "odd breed"???? More garbage for the "wipe them all out" gang. But you're in powerful company: Salazar (very high priced cow hand), BLM (confused save for extermination without total concerned representatives in the "decision making" process) and an apathetic Congress. Maybe Carghill, IVP/B, Conagra are being heard. Sorry, that ain't the American farmer or citizen. These entities can't sell the American market place out fast enough. Not sure? Check out today's unemployment stats (and those are dressed up too).

Congress, find your moral compass!

D. Masters

October 29, 2009, 1:00pm (report abuse)

p.s. To bumblers (against the equids):

Check this out and tell me how YOU KNOW that these equids aren't part of North American wildlife (which really doesn't matter because we (the US gov't) allows the whacking of wolves, mountain lions, polar bears, bison et al for LIVESTOCK:

www:pnas.org/cgi/dol10.1073/pnas.1523.30099

In other words, the humans in charge in the US do an extremely sloppy job of managing anything, unless it's for a monetary gain. OOooopps...wrong there too. Look what the cruds of Wall Street have done!

Congress, call a good spiritual advisor and find the right thing to do. And yes it may involve money, but hopefully you'll understand everything about life is not about money.

p.s. Any livestock or mining leasing going on in the zeroed out or removal areas for mustangs? Then you have dirty hands.

Zoe M

November 2, 2009, 7:59pm (report abuse)

u suck

Katiey

November 2, 2009, 8:01pm (report abuse)

DONT LET MUSTANGS GET KILLED

courtney

November 13, 2009, 10:50pm (report abuse)

Wow! Only about 9 people commented. Not an important issue?

Lori

November 16, 2009, 4:11pm (report abuse)

I'm currently doing a research paper on this Bill which absolutely should be passed. We cannot consciously destroy the same animal that helped establish our American Heritage. Horses do not destroy our ripirian ecosystem. Cows do. Horses injest seed and send them out their digestive system unharmed, unlike cows. The only people for this bill are cattle ranchers and those who want horse hides for economic profit.

D. Masters

November 17, 2009, 1:36pm (report abuse)

Zoe M. and courtney:

Interesting that one points no finger toward either side of the issue, and another supports the idea that there are not enough comments.

Comments have been piled on DOI/BLM and they continue to ignore same. Congress has been repeatedly contacted and again, NOTHING!...but they are concerned enough about the mess that is the DC Metro and said we are taking charge....priceless.

Hey White House! The DOI has been effectively managing mustangs and burros to extermination since the 1971 ACT. And still you do NOTHING!
How about a little more attention to detail?

Pass this act, and in the interim, MORATORIUM ON ROUNDUPS!!!!! Second point, Salazar needs to GO! Cows and sheep are not more impotant than the LAW.

Tony

November 17, 2009, 11:37pm (report abuse)

D. Masters,
The only problem is that comments fall on deaf ears when the same few contact Congress repeatedly over and over. But keep making noise, it might help the cause.
You know.. the squaky wheel gets the grease.

D. Masters

November 18, 2009, 12:21pm (report abuse)

Tony:

So what is needed? Congress and the White House have to be reminded daily that these animals are being wiped out under the guise of "management". They need to be reminded that they have laws to uphold. Nothing short of a moratorium and a completely revamped program will be acceptable. I say...any cattle, sheep, mining, forestry or big game hunting getting access via permits or creative prioritization to allow same that mustangs/burros are on????? Then you can't remove the equids until those other activities cease and at least a 2 year period of reassessment is conducted with someone on the board that represents the equids.

PASS this bill Congress...HOR, get the Senate moving. In the meantime, stop the round-ups!

vicki

(logged-in user) November 19, 2009, 12:10am (report abuse)

Tony, all comments fall on deaf ears at the BLM. They have received over 7,000 public comments for the Calico Complex round-up, alone. That's not a few people. During the Pryor debacle that took place when Congress was not in session and during a holiday weekend, the white house, Congress, DOI and BLM were flooded with calls. And their answer, the Salazoo plan. Step 1 in eliminating all the wild horses and burros. They are in violation of the 1971 WH&B Act. Their EAs use data from the 70s and 80s. At Calico, they increased cattle by 300% last year and now they have to remove horses.

What the BLM didn't realize is that with their arrogance and ignoring the American public, they have united all the splintered groups. One voice asking for the round-ups to stop. Stop until there are range studies and scientific data. And then if horses need to be removed there is solid data to justify the removals.

Chris Jubic

December 2, 2009, 12:38am (report abuse)

What they dont tell you is that only 5% of the available forage is allocated to the equines,...or that the privately owned cattle out number the wild equines by at least 150 to 1. What they also dont tell you is that they have a law under "wild horse rangelend management" that says in cases of conflict grazing MAY be adjusted." How often do you think they use their discretion to do that? lol Also what they dont tell you is that under sec 302(a) of the FLPMA the lands "specially designated" to the wild equines by the WFHBA of 1971 exempts their lands from mandatory multi-use or "sustainable yield considerations. By any reading of the relevant law, the wild horses and burros have a statutroy right to remain on their historic ranges, but under BLMs (mis)management, they are always the first to go. The BLM is committing very serious offenses by ignoring statutory law. It is delegating unto itself the lawmaking (or breaking) powers of the legislature & is an ILLEGAL seperation of powers.

westhorse

December 3, 2009, 1:54am (report abuse)

D.Masters
Are you a bioligist or another related field? Please quote the native horse documentation and please make it something credible.
Truth is other than the Kieger breed, most feral horses are released trash that are hard too adopt out.
There are no game leases on federal land where feral horses exist.
Btw, what is your management plan?

D. Masters

December 4, 2009, 12:28pm (report abuse)

westhorse...you are priceless (which is more than you give specific wildlife [and, yes mustangs/burros] in the same grid space):

Are you a bioligist or another related field? (Answer..learn to spell and yes, studied AG emphasis production in the SW) Please quote the native horse documentation and please make it something credible. (Answer..All the research in the world wouldn't change the "destroy and eat horses at a profit mentality, but go to www.pnas.org and do your own homework.)
Truth is other than the Kieger breed, most feral horses are released trash that are hard too adopt out. (Answer, wrong again and your trash talk defines you)
There are no game leases on federal land where feral horses exist. (Wrong, there are permits, period for a myriad of purpose)
Btw, what is your management plan? (Answer: what is yours, 'cept kill 'em? I've stated mine repeatedly on other antislaughter threads to include WW)

CJ: MOST EXCELLENT LEGAL APPRAISAL!

vicki

(logged-in user) December 4, 2009, 1:23pm (report abuse)

westhorse, let’s take one herd. On Dec 28, the BLM is planning on removing over 2,700 wild horses (not feral) from the Calico Complex. Last year, cattle grazing was increased 300% on this public land. This is public information and if we found it, you can find it. By law, the wild horses and burros have priority in multipurpose situations, on the land where presently found. Removal of these horses is in violation of the law. In simple language, wild horses and burros cannot legally be removed and replaced with privately owned cattle.

If you look at the stats, state by state, it is very clear the wild horses are being managed to extinction. The cattle now number over 7 million. In NV, the largest population is mule deer, followed by cattle, then pronghorn antelope and then wild horses. Only burros and big horn sheep have lower numbers. Our ecologists estimate less than 20,000 wild horses and burros are remaining on public lands. That is NOT an ecological balance.

D. Masters

December 4, 2009, 4:33pm (report abuse)

vicki:

To add, the BLM etc are removing these animals in winter AND over the Congressional winter/Christmas break. The timing isn't lost on me. Not only are they incompetent and cruel...they are also cowardly government servants attempting to sheild targets when the outrage that will definitely ensue as the potential round-up ocurrs.

Sweet! America's tax dollars at work....can't feed and care for the ones they have in holding, can't adopt them out (surprise, surprise in this horrible economy for a luxury item), but gonna go out and corral more...PRICELESS!

Congress and the White House: You have allowed this abuse, deterioration, violation of the 1971 Act since the early 70's...FIX IT NOW! To start, get rid of Slaughterczar, followed by Abbey, et al. UPHOLD THE LAW!

amy

December 4, 2009, 11:17pm (report abuse)

Why don't you put a class action lawsuit against the BLM for breaking so many laws?
D masters you studied Ag emphasis in the SW, how many armadillos does it take to eat a cactus? Did you finish the semester?
Question: In your opinion, how many head per acre can be properly and efficiently managed on appropriate BLM land? How many wild horses should US citizens support.

vicki

(logged-in user) December 5, 2009, 1:25am (report abuse)

Amy, you can’t sue the government for mismanagement of a program. We have filed suit for several of the round-ups, including the upcoming Calico Complex. Even if a class action suit was possible, it could take years to be heard and by then, the horses will be gone. You have to look at each round-up, the EAs, HMA and site where the law is being broken. Much of that information isn’t available until the round-up is announced.

The law provided over 50 million acres. They claim to have 32,000 in holding pens, add to that 20,000 = 52,000 horses. Let’s say 60,000. Don’t you think that 50 million acres can hold 60,000 horses?

vicki

(logged-in user) December 5, 2009, 1:45am (report abuse)

Amy, we already pay the BLMs salary whether there are horses on the land or not. Ask why the BLM is rounding-up horses and then forcing the taxpayers to pay millions to care for them in pens. They moan they can’t pay for the captured horses but continue to round up more. They now say 32,000, last time it was 33,000. They won’t say what happened to the 1,000 nor let anyone see the 32,000. We are paying for them, but we can’t see them. Ask why they took the extra funding from Congress for the care but are using it on round-ups. Calico is going to cost in excess of $1M and that is only for the BLM staff and helicopters. Ask why Cattoor is on retainer and gets paid whether they are working or not. The BLM has made them multi-millionaires. Ask why Calico cattle grazing was increased 300% last year and why horses are being removed and not cattle. Ask why there is room for over 7 million privately owned cattle but not 60,000 horses. Those are the questions you should be asking.

vicki

(logged-in user) December 5, 2009, 10:31am (report abuse)

Update: The BLM has now assigned a price tag of $1.7M to the Calico round-up. Almost double what they originally quoted - $900k. That is only the amount going to Cattoor.

Stay tuned, it will be over $2M before this is over and don't forget, this does not include the cost of care in the pens. They'll moan about that after they capture the horses.

amy

December 5, 2009, 12:38pm (report abuse)

What a shame, this along with hundreds of other government programs are really taking us to the cleaners. We might not have a national debt if all programs for people, animals and industries alike wouldn't be such pigs and have been so wasteful for so many years. Too much money being passed around to the wrong hands, greedy individuals and lobbyists'. Altho I care for animals, my priority is for the welfare of humans that are in dispare all around the country.

Mulekist

December 12, 2009, 2:26pm (report abuse)

Amy, is there not room in your heart for more than one "cause?"...."The Greatness of a Nation and its MORAL PROGRESS can be judged by the way it treats its animals." - Ghandi
How are we to progress as a nation if we have no care for the (so-called) lesser animals? Are they not "Gods Creatures" too?

amy

December 12, 2009, 2:49pm (report abuse)

mulekist, my statement was that I care for animals but that humans are a priority. Humans first animals second. If we take care of humans and their mental and physical welfare, animals will fall in right behind humans and be treated well in the human world. Don't forget that the majority of humans eat meat, and as long as meat animals are killed quickly and with no suffering, that is something that should be accepted by adults. Yes, animals are Gods Creatures too. What did God intend animals to be on earth for? They all have their purpose.

D. Masters

December 12, 2009, 6:26pm (report abuse)

amy:

Problem is, God is not deciding what goes on with planet Earth for the most part...mankind does. And I don't think God would be really happy with what man is doing to man, what man is doing to it's resources and how corporations have desensitized consumers to production farming with and including the death of it's equines.

You see amy, I think God gave us horses to serve us, not feed us. In fact, based on studies of corporate/factory farming, animal suffering and inhumane death, I don't think He'd be too pleased with our performance to date.

No amy, getting the BLM to stop harrassing and rounding up mustangs/burros does not mean anyone is making animals more important than people.

And actually your motto should be respect all life, and you sure have some scuzzy people whacking equines right now. I'm not waiting to fix them while they butcher our national treasures for a quick, easy, profitable buck. And the animals's purpose is not to get rich...HCHS ain't one!

D. Masters

December 12, 2009, 6:33pm (report abuse)

amy:

IOW, the DOI/BLM are violating the 1971 Act. Equines are being removed at great taxpayer expense creating larger, unsolved problems and allowing cattle, sheep or permit holders to retain their privelages at the expense of a miniscule amount of equines. It does not make sense.

You know how many mustangs and burros have wound up in the HCHS pipeline???? I do. Shame on the DOI/BLM, states and most of all Congress for letting them continue the extermination of these great animals.

westhorse

December 13, 2009, 10:58pm (report abuse)

Mass slaughter is not an option to me. I'm not familiar with the Calico range, but given it's location I'm sure the grass production is low,which makes for a low carrying capacity. When the number of animals on the range exceeds the carrying capacity, many problems occur. Cattle are more manageable than horses, (as in transhumance)but that doesn't mean that is the direction the numbers should go. So for sake of arguement, all other production herbivores are removed. Then what?
What happens is the number of horses exceeds the carrying capacity. Birth control has limited effectiveness on the horses so far. There is a very limited niche market for these horses. Kiegers have been the only equines that regularly sell for more than just the adoption fee. If they don't sell then what?
I ask again, what is your management method for the animals?

westhorse

December 13, 2009, 10:59pm (report abuse)

I probably misspelled something here, try to look at the bigger picture and give me a response, not romantic rhetoric or attempt a flippant retort. If you are capable respond like an adult.

D. Masters

December 14, 2009, 5:39am (report abuse)

You are starting with a basic premise...there will or has been too many equines on public lands. That is incorrect. I stated my initial plan (go back to November 18th).
The 1971 Act was always in conflict with the permit system. It was a poorly written law. The permit system is outdated and mismanaged also.
Approximately 2 million equines in 1901 (down from an estimate of 5 million) and roughly 30,000 (probably less than 20k by some pro-equine biologists's estimates ) in 2009 w/another 30k in holding. What don't YOU understand?
Get off the Kieger kick. And we wouldn't have to worry what to do with excess mustangs and burros in holding if we didn't put them there in the first place because of shoddy science and permit favoritism. What do you not understand about 20-30,000 mustangs and burros v. 6 million cattle/sheep? Livestock can go on the equines land, but the equines can't go on the livestock's???
Congress, stop this equicide. Moratorium and advisory board restructure NOW!

westhorse

December 14, 2009, 10:28am (report abuse)

So the animal numbers will be appropriate for the range without intervention?

D. Masters

December 14, 2009, 5:22pm (report abuse)

"So the animal numbers will be appropriate for the range without intervention?"...you know, you just keep changing the subject!

The issue is that there are other, totally man-driven activities permitted on those lands (not inclunding state lands or consideration of the migratory nature of the equines). The current numbers would show that the equines are almost gone. What DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!

The numbers of mustangs do not require this level of round-up or displacement OR COST TO TAXPAYERS!

But you see, you are not here to solve this problem. You don't see anything wrong with this kind of abuse or mismanagement bordering incompetence and corruption...or at a minimum, conflict of interest based on the revenue reward of the permit system.

p.s. Remember, many of these herds have been zapped with PZP by HSUS and the cooperation of the DOI/BLM with disastorous consequences...and the equines are still reproducing at overpopulation levels???? Ummm...NO!

CONGRESS??

leigh

December 14, 2009, 9:10pm (report abuse)

I am newly aware of this issue and am interested in learning more and become active in the fight for the equine. Any suggestions where to learn more or how to become involved?

westhorse

December 15, 2009, 12:16am (report abuse)

caps so underscore the inability to communicate.

So your management strategy is to remove anyone human activity that would impact the horse and to restrict breeding. Immunize the mares, twice the first year, once every year after while of breeding age. If the true cost of the program isn't too much then that part sounds reasonable. What human activities are acceptable in the area? What isn't? Resource development, grazing, recreation, hunting?

D. Masters

December 15, 2009, 9:25am (report abuse)

You cherry pick posts and frequently change topic. What(again) do you not understand that the equines should be the last to be tampered with, if at all? What do you not understand about the numbers and associated costs? You are discussing (sometimes) with apparently no complete knowledge of the subject matter save that you don't seem to be bothered about round-ups, warehousing and costs associated with the nefarious BLMs management of these equines. It's been repeated ad nauseum. So I can only conclude that you support the BLM. Whatever.

I communicate very well, thank you. What I don't do well is suffer fools. If you don't like or can't cope with what I write, how I write then don't read or respond to it.

leigh: Go to vickitobim.com or "google" Equine Welfare Alliance. There are many links at both sites....maybe westhorse should mosey on over too?

westhorse

December 15, 2009, 1:32pm (report abuse)

D. this has grown tiring. You are nothing more than a troll that likes to regurgitate websites you've visited. You've studied Ag production in the SW, which means nothing. You list broken links that have nothing on the their site related to the discussion. You think the current spp of horse is native and will manage themselves if the evil governemnt would just leave them alone. I thought you might actually know something, I was wrong. I will stick to journals and papers that have something to offer

D. Masters

December 16, 2009, 7:30am (report abuse)

Dismiss all you want. Keep your ignorant, uneducated head in the desert sands all you want.

You can barely respond to any portion of a post without getting whiney and off topic. I didn't say the horses were native. I said that there is research and digs that suggest they may be. Are there feral equines? Sure, but funny how the slaughter crowd says owners are turning them loose and they won't survive (it's cruel) and then the next, we still need slaughter because there are too many mustangs and burros. Which is it?!

You ask questions and I answer them. That you don't like the answers and your replies are majority useless that I could drive a Mack truck through, is certainly not my problem.

Troll? Regurgitate? Well then, why do you bother or not have intelligent rebuttal? Because either you don't know how to or can't. Again, compare my posts to yours. Your frustration says it all.

Congress, address this problem and overall DOI/BLM.

vicki

(logged-in user) December 16, 2009, 1:11pm (report abuse)

westhorse, there are over 7 MILLION privately owned cattle and millions of privately owned sheep on the public lands that were granted to wild horses and burros by law. Over 20M acres have been taken away from the wild horses and burros.

Ecologists estimate there are less than 20k free roaming wild horses and burros remaining. Even if there were 37k as the BLM states, how is that over populated compared to millions and millions of livestock? The GAO study has already proven that the livestock are decimating the ranges, particularly riparian areas, not the horses.

To expect intelligent individuals to believe the few thousand horses are doing more damage than millions of livestock is absolutely ridiculous. That must be why the anti-horse folks always fail to mention or address the millions of livestock that have taken over the ranges.

D. Masters

December 30, 2009, 8:21am (report abuse)

AND THE EQUICIDE CONTINUES TO ROLL MERRILY ALONG!!!!!

CONGRESS...MORATORIUM NOW! Read the GAO report, read Judge Freidman's decision, do something for God's Sake. Make the BLM open the round-ups to media, limited public viewing...what do they have to hide? Why do you continue to let DOI/BLM break the law?

Pass 1579.

Ray Davis

January 7, 2010, 7:36pm (report abuse)

The House of Representatives has passed the companion to this bill. Why is it taking so long for the Senate??? There are millions of cattle and only thousands of horses on public lands. Please pass this bill and get it into law. Use some common sense on this one--it's a no-brainer.

jock4hire

January 20, 2010, 8:24am (report abuse)

westhorse, D. Masters merely made a typo, the correct and unbroken URL she'd meant to leave you is http://www.vickitobin.com You didn't have to be so rude. It was merely a typo by D. Masters. Hundreds of thousands of acres of land were designated for the protection of the free roaming horses and burros, don't you care that your own Gov't has lied to you and to all of us? Seems like you'd be somewhat concerned about this issue as it does concern all of us, Americans! Try to be more tolerant, Please. D. Masters and Vicki have told the absolute facts in their posts,.... all of them!! I've done the research, and it's easy to find! Google it!! Takes about 10 seconds. Good Luck and urge Congress to pass this most important piece of legislation, to protect our heritage, and our horses!

D. Masters

January 29, 2010, 11:50am (report abuse)

And the mustang burro massacre continues Congress.

What's up? Enjoying the "NO" contingent and can't multi-task.

Or are all of you worried about the Mid-terms? Don't worry, the Supreme Court has just officially sanctioned your "special interest" fund sources.

You people have stooped lower than humiliating into some form of morality or conscientious.

And people don't understand why they don't have a job any longer or the hope of health care?

What is easier: a 1000 $10 donations or a $1000 donation from a corporation? Do the math.

Congress, get off your pompous butts and effect change.

Pass 1579, 727, 503, 305. You'll make food safer and stimulate economy...not KBs.

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