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H.R. 503, The Prevention of Equine Cruelty Act of 2009 (3538 comments ↓ | 5 wiki edits)
H.R. 503 would amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit certain conduct relating to the use of horses for human consumption.
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Alice Goddard
January 23, 2009, 11:20am (report abuse)Horse slaughter and the transportation of equines to Mexico and Canada must stop. US citizens do not consume horse meat and we should not support the inhumane slaughter of horses for other countries.
Angry
January 23, 2009, 11:27am (report abuse)What an abomination to kill and eat a beautiful horse. What the hell is wrong with human beings? Wake up people you are eating a living being!!!
Kris McC
January 23, 2009, 11:27am (report abuse)Anyone who has had an ethical relationship with a horse and experienced the intelligence and kindness of these creatures, could not conceive of treating them as a commodity or slaughtering them for food.
Yes on 503!
Betty Scheldt
January 23, 2009, 11:30am (report abuse)To cc rider:
I am also a taxpayer and I'm tired of my taxmoney being wasted on cattle ranchers letting their cattle graze on government land and only paying a very low rental on OUR land. Maybe the government should allow the horses to graze on taxpayers land, kick the rich cattle ranchers off and everybody would be happier! What's important to you, may not be important to me and vice versa, but just because you think the issue of horses being inhumanely slaughtered to feed rich people in Europe is not important doesn't mean that the issue is not important to me! I AM A TAXPAYER TOO!!!! I would guess the majority of Americans feel the same as I do.
Mommysass
January 23, 2009, 11:36am (report abuse)You know what everyone is intidled to there own oppinions, but please dont use up everyones comment space to argue with everyone else on here stating ther own oppinion!! my opinion is dont slaughter the animals, if they need to be put down do it humanly, not know them in the head with a bolt gun! Or shoot them with a rifle, can you just imagine what is going through there head when that rigle is pointed at there head!!! Go to youtube.com and see some of the ways they kill them, how they get treated, and what they look like, And how they travel it is all on there. All of you People that are not against horse slaughter go there and whatch some of the videos and tell me if you feel any different!!
Terry
January 23, 2009, 11:36am (report abuse)Hey cutter, if less people ate cows we would have more land for raising hay and corn for people to eat. Maybe you would like to take the dogs that get put to sleep and send them overseas instead to eat!
You probably are one of those horse dealers, making money on the horse slaughter. That is about the only people who would justify it.
Kathy
January 23, 2009, 11:37am (report abuse)Mustangs are an American icon just like the Eagle. What a disgrace this country has become due to greed.Makes me cry thinking what they have endured.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 11:43am (report abuse)To Amber,
I guess you haven't considered the repercussions and the consequences if the government didn't bail out the banks. There would be epic economic depression the likes of which have not been seen since the Great Depression. You should read about the Great Depression.
The arrogance is exactly your capitol letters "MY".
Too bad you are so negative about changing attitudes in this country. Speaking out has been the major force of change in this country.
Please don't regale me about caring for your horses. It is pathetic. If you don't want to do it, sell your horses rather than harboring so much anger.
Mark Twain and Ghandi said it right: The way we treat our animals defines us and our moral progress.
The ASPCA was established in the 19th Century because a horse carriage driver beat his horse mercilessly.
Rose
January 23, 2009, 11:45am (report abuse)A majority of Americans have spoken! Horse Slaughter is for iresponsible breeders.owners,trainers and the low life that feed off this awful abuse to horses!
After 36 years as a horse professional I have seen plenty!
SEE:www.kaufmanzoning.net YOU JUDGE!!
It is time to pass a bill to protect our horses from this awful abuse!
Brady
January 23, 2009, 11:46am (report abuse)People are you kidding me i live out here and horses are my business. What do you do with a 20 year old horse who is no good to anyone anymore? You dont do anything. And with the economy the way it is you cant afford to feed it. It sounds to me like everyone that supports the slaughter actually has horses and understands the facts of life. Everyone else is living in some kind of fantasy land. Grow up people and look at the facts the cruelty at the slaughter houses has only moved to the horse auctions. The value of a horse has gone down so much that you can buy a pair of good fillys for 20 dollars. It almost brought me to tears. Some of the horses were going for a dollar. A bale of hay is now worth more than a horse. And it all goes back to the fact that you cannot take your old horse to the slaughter. Wake up people in my neck of the woods this is not a game this is reality. So if a horse has to die for me to live than that horse will die!
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 11:46am (report abuse)To Amber:
Perhaps this saying carries meaning:
What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Fun-in-the-sun
January 23, 2009, 11:47am (report abuse)Yum yum, nothing better than a steak cut from the tender loin of a young horse.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 11:48am (report abuse)To Brady,
The same old tired comment. If you can't afford to properly care for your horses, DON'T OWN THEM!
Perhaps, horses need to be owned by the landed gentry. Rich people don't complain about the cost of hay, food, medicine, boarding, proper care.
Betty Scheldt
January 23, 2009, 11:52am (report abuse)Brandy:
Is your predicament so dire that by slaughtering your horse its saving your life?
Maybe you should get rid of all your animals and you could live forever!
Rose
January 23, 2009, 11:53am (report abuse)Horse meat is unfit! Many horses have drugs or meds that are clearly banned in our meat animals!
Even our own pet food companys no longer use it!
A horses place of origen or drugs given cannot be confirmed.
Our USDA and all involved should be ashamed saying horse meat is fit to eat!
Bottom Line: Its all about greed and the low lifes conected to the horse slaughter pipeline!
Brady
January 23, 2009, 11:56am (report abuse)Really thats the kind of comments that im talking about. Its not that i cant afford a horse but i cant afford to let a horse sit in a pasture and not do a dang thing. Just because you played with your little toy My little Pony when you were a little girl doesnt mean you are a horse person. I have grown up on a huge ranch all my life. Now i am running it. I use my horses everyday. Can you say the same. And when a horse can no longer do a good days work then you need to send it somewhere else where it can do good. That place is the slaughter house. And the horses i have are fed and looked after like they were kings. So when i get on them i expect the same in return. So im sorry that i cant afford to let a horse that isnt pulling his weight eat everyone elses share. You really need to take a step back and look at reality. You guys are living in a fantasy land. Grow Up!
.
January 23, 2009, 11:57am (report abuse)Poor deluded Rose,
Do you realize how many additives are in the feed given to other raised-for-food animals? Get a grip!
Susan Galvan
January 23, 2009, 11:59am (report abuse)It is disgusting that we're even having to vote on something like this. It should go without saying that horses have no place in our food chain.
Bonnie Oliver (life long horsewoman)
January 23, 2009, 12:07pm (report abuse)We have not "put animals over humans". We are attempting to educate. Sadly, taking a moral stand in an immoral society has proven to be a task. Horse slaughter does certainly represent the lowest common denominator. With laws in place that were designed to protect animals - it is unforgiveable that horses remain unprotected from the unthinkable cruelty of slaughter. The business of horse slaughter is corrupt to the core. Greed is the root of the evil being done to horses. It took some time for the USDA, through an FOIA, to release information. However, massive amounts of proof were already in our hands. Educate yourselves and understand what this diabolical wrong being done to horses entails. If you cannot do this your presence, and the presence of others of your ilk, is undesired within the horse world. The late John Hettinger, a leader in the fight to ban the butchery, said, “Turning a blind eye to horse slaughter is a disgrace." Indeed.
Mr. And Mrs. Terry Boltz
January 23, 2009, 12:18pm (report abuse)We humans can be a disgusting, self-serving lot. This includes those who harm or refuse to care for any animals. Animals are helpless against human cruelty. Thank goodness for those compassionate people and leaders who will work hard to save these innocent horses. It's issues like this that earn or lose the votes of our elected officials. And if you harm America's horses, start looking for a new job.
Betty Scheldt
January 23, 2009, 12:23pm (report abuse)This is the last comment I'm making because you can not make these people (pro slaughter)feel compassion! Brandy, I think you are the prime example of one of the things wrong with our society. We are wasteful and money hungry! If you have the money to live on such a "HUGE" ranch, why not pay to have a vet come out and euthanize the "old" horse that is worthless now that you have used him up. You have the money, you just don't want to give something (humane, dignified death or the time to find a new home) with out getting something (money) in return! GREED!
Suzann Miller
January 23, 2009, 12:33pm (report abuse)I am alarmed and dismayed with regards to the abandonment of horses which has occurred in the time since this original bill was passed. With the collapse of the economy, horses that could have been sent to slaughter are either being abandoned or left to starve. Something needs to be re-evaluated with regards to the slaughter of horses.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 12:43pm (report abuse)Pro-slaughter, your days are numbered and I know you can feel it! You have been spouting the same lies for so very long but Americans are not stupid, they watch, they educate themselves and now they know! I am not Peta, this thread is not about dogs, cats, cows and homeless people. It is about horses! Only horses. So for all the claims made by pro-slaughter, we have documentation. What do you have? The same old arguments with nothing to back them up!Please go back to using the argument about how America is going to be over run with buzzards at least that one is funny!
Joe Camp
January 23, 2009, 12:49pm (report abuse)This is a no brainer. Poll the entire American populous and you will see overwhelming love and support for horses. How is it that this minority for unsubstantiated reasons think they should be slaughtered.
blueprints
January 23, 2009, 12:50pm (report abuse)If you can’t afford to humanely euthanize your horse by a vet (which costs less than a month’s board) you can contact your local rescue. Many are setting up low cost/no cost euthanasia options. Some are also setting up low cost/no cost hay distribution for hardship situations. I have saved for years and years to be able to afford my own horse, which I happily now have, but I also dontate to these rescues so that people who are in dire straights because of the economy, or who haven't planned, can put down their horse humanely by a vet. So to Brady, if you just can't have that horse not pulling it's weight, then have it put down. We are not opposed to euthanasia by a vet. We are opposed to slaughter. Big difference.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 12:58pm (report abuse)Having read most of the comments I wonder if most of the people here have any common sense? Or, do most of you think horses are pets? They are not, they are livestock which has a useful life. I love and use horses probably more than most people here and the Humane thing to do is provide a way for their disposal after they have served a long and useful life. For you information and if you will check your facts, horses by the hundreds and in some estimates the thousands are being dropped of on public or private to fend for themselves. Domestic horses do not have the ability to survive in the open on their own. They are starving do death, increasing the existing horse population on BLM ground and causing a hugh problem that will grow exponentially over the coming years. There has to be a provision that allowes a horse owner to dispose of his horse in any manner they choose as long as it is humane. And, there are a lot worse things for a horse than to go to a slaughter house.
Elle
January 23, 2009, 1:01pm (report abuse)Horse slaughter is already illegal by virtue of the HSA of 1958. This redundant does NOT protect all horses from being slaughtered for zoo food, theme parks with safaris, Alpo dog food, canned hunts, Mike's Dog Meat in Ocala, FL. Thanks to the imbecile who drafted the bill.
Laura Houston
January 23, 2009, 1:09pm (report abuse)We don't send to slaughter our unwanted dogs and cats! Horses need to be treated more like a companion animal rather than treated like a steer. We are a humane society and we love our companion horses. It is time to reclass horses as a companion of man..Horses need the same protections as dogs and cats.
Also want the BLM to post on their websites..how many wild horses have the BLM sent to slaughter over the last 10 years? where did the 3 million mustangs go the BLM rounded up over the past 10 years?
vicki
January 23, 2009, 1:21pm (report abuse)Brady, you have shot down your own argument. Since slaughter is the answer, you couldn’t possibly be seeing old horses left to die and horses being neglected. More horses were slaughtered last year than the prior year. Anyone wishing to send there horse to slaughter can still do so.
Thank you for proving our point that the availability of slaughter has no correlation to abuse, neglect and abandonment. The pro folks say there is an epidemic. Since the slaughter counts have increased, that means the more we slaughter, the more the abuse and neglect increases.
Please keep using that tired old argument. Every time you do, you prove how illogical the pro slaughter arguments are.
www.vickitobin.com
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 1:21pm (report abuse)Well Jake, you certainly have an interesting argument, not! Can you PLEASE provide the link to the documentation that supports your claim that "thousands" of horses are being dumped. Also you make it sound like slaughter is no longer an option. It is, that's why we are here. You speak of humane disposal and slaughter as if they are one in the same, you and I both know they are not! Domestic horses do not survive in wild horse groups and so there again is an interesting argument how would they add to the wild horse population? Horse slaughter is only one thing. Demand by the rich in foreign countries for American horses which we supply. Take away the demand and anybody with two working brain cells is going to have to rethink their breeding practices. This is about money, greed and immorality. Why is it that pro-slaughter thinks the American public is stupid? We have documentation to back our claims, kindly show us yours.
me
January 23, 2009, 1:22pm (report abuse)I wonder how many of you actually own horses. I could go on a reiterate what Jake has said but I’m not going to. As for "humanly euthanizing" a horse it is not that cheap. Sure the injection is only around $80, but then what? Have you ever checked on the cost of disposal of the animal? It's not cheap. I had to put my horse down last month; it cost me over $500. And what happened to him? Well because you can't use a horse that as been euthanized for anything he went to the landfill. Where as if there was a place to take him were they didn't use drugs to put him down then he could have been used for other things. I wouldn’t eat horse meat myself but there are cultures that do. I find think that is a much better use then digging a big hole at the landfill.
Laura Houston
January 23, 2009, 1:24pm (report abuse)Animal Angels has documented proof on their websites that horses are sent to slaughter from state of Ca. where it is against the law. Anamal Angels also have proof on their websites that slaughter horses cross the borders to mexico and canada without ANY inspections what so ever. The animals are also not fed or watered for days sometimes.
Theres are crimes, the animal angels have vids, and PI reports. Someone in the Gov. that takes care of Ca. laws and border crossing security should look into these crimes.
We are not just concerned with the horses sufferings...there is border crossings happening with NO VISUAL CHECKING.
Diana
January 23, 2009, 1:24pm (report abuse)To Jake:
If you've taken time to at least read the USDA report obtained under the FOIA, there is no way that you can claim horse slaughter is humane in any sense of the word. This 900+ page report details the numerous violations committed by 2 horse slaughter plants that operated within US borders until they were found to be operating illegally and closed in 2007.
Horses are still being slaughtered in the same numbers as they were before these foreign owned plants were closed. So how can you claim that slaughter prevents abandonment and abuse when horse are still being slaughtered in the same numbers ? There is no logic in any statement you have made.
If you truly love your horses as you say, you would not send them to a brutal, horrific death and think that it's OK. How can you send an old friend who has served you well to meet this terrible fate ? This bill is needed to protect American horses from the cruelty of people like you.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 1:29pm (report abuse)Amber,
Thank you for your sanity, and your "horse sense". Both seem to be a rare commodities these days.
Louise McGannon
January 23, 2009, 1:29pm (report abuse)I do not believe in horse slaughter, I do not believe in the slaughter of any animal, but . . . the slaughter of horses is even more inhumane than the other animals that are slaughtered by the billions every year. These horses travel long distances with food, water, rest to be slaughtered. During the slaughtering process, they are conscious. There is documenation that horses will sniff their own blood as they are hanging upside down during the draining process.
If I was so lucky to own a horse, my horse would be euthanized by a local vet when it was his time, or I wouldn't own a horse.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 1:30pm (report abuse)Hi Me,
There are other cultures that eat lots of things us Americans do not, some think it is okay to eat people so does that mean we should send people to slaughter for foreigners to eat? By your argument that is the same thing, right? Grandma is not very useful taking up grave space, so send her to foreiners to eat and save the cemetary space for cattle.
Diana
January 23, 2009, 1:36pm (report abuse)To Me:
I do own horses and we, the majority of horse owners, do support this bill. You folks who think it's OK to inhumanely slaughter horses are definitely in the minority on this issue. Like it or not, this bill is going to be passed.
As far as disposal, another option you failed to mention is that animal carcasses can be rendered into other useful products after they have been humanely euthanized, regardless of the method used. Other options include burial and cremation, at the owner's discretion. Since there are plenty of options that are humane that can be taken advantage of, there is no need to continue inhumanely slaughtering horses except to satisfy the greed of a very few individuals.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 1:37pm (report abuse)To Diana,
My horses are my friend, they are not my companion. And to "arabrescuelady" this is not about money. I is solely about my right as a human being to dispose of my assets as I feel free to do. Again, a slaughter house is not the worst thing that can happen to livestock. They are great wonderful animals, but they are not companion animals.
Lynn
January 23, 2009, 1:44pm (report abuse)I'm a horse lover. I've raised horses all my life. I've raised cattle all my life. I have taught my kids to ride cattle. I've given the same dryugs to cattel that I give to horses. Cattle and horses are required to be held off the market for a period of time after being given curtain drugs before slaugther. Horses are livestock, there needs to be an end place for them. People are starving around the world and we hold our horses, livestock so dear that we won't allow them to be eaten by hungry people. YET, we are willing to kill, baby's unborn and now in some states who are trying to pass bills to allow killing baby's after being born. Come on people where are our values?
utah
January 23, 2009, 1:45pm (report abuse)git real dont make the sick & old suffer for your selfishness
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 1:46pm (report abuse)Jake, Oh come on , not property rights again! Please! This was the same argument used by slave owners in the South during civil war times! They felt they could treat their "property" the same way, very badly and in very inhumane ways and everybody was supposed to be okay with that. Pick up any history book and you will see just how well that argument worked for them! It is about money. Supply and demand and people making money off the rich foreigners.
gvallo
January 23, 2009, 1:49pm (report abuse)Support and pass HR 503!
Animals that have given so much deserve a better ending. A bullet to the brain is quick, humane and inexpensive and much more humane than being crammed in trailers and sent to slaughter. Seeing horses with their legs ripped off and eyeballs hanging from their sockets just doesn't sit right with me.
We sure are a use them up and throw them away culture aren't we? We have responsibilities as humans and it is pretty sad that we are such greedy bastards and will do things that are morally wrong if we can make a few dollars.
It is all about the money, period!!!!!
Although, I know so many people that say I'm for horse slaughter but I'd never send my horse. Good grief! What makes it ok for some horses to end up being hit in the head or neck several times by a captive bolt and not your own?
The pro-slaughter side says they have the best interest in the horse in mind..I'm sure if we could ask the horse, I'm pretty certain they wouldn't agree.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 1:51pm (report abuse)arabrescuelady,
Ok sorry, having been raised in a rural area, I keep forgetting horse are people, not livestock. And sense you are comparing them to our poor judgement of the past, can you tell me when and where I can register my horse to vote?
Will not happen again.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 1:53pm (report abuse)Lynn,
This is about horses. Abortion is an important topic on a different thread, thanks for sticking to the subject of horses here.
BTW slaughtered horses go for as much as $40. a pound, not too many poor starving people eating them.
me
January 23, 2009, 1:55pm (report abuse)Horses are not humans nor are they PETS. Did you not see it cost me over $500 dollars to euthanize and dispose of my horse? I can't even imagine what the cost of cremation is. I am sorry I loved that horse but I will not spend more to get put him down then what I paid for him to begin with. I guess there is always the option of taking our horses to the mountains and shooting them. This recently happened where I live.
Elle
January 23, 2009, 1:57pm (report abuse)Horses are also slaughtered at sea out of a port in South Carolina. They are taken to International waters and slaughtered there. This has been illegal since 1985! Is the law enforced? No.
http://www.manesandtailsorganization.org/
Listen to the podcast 'Why Horse Slaughter is Illegal' if you want to be fully informed.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 1:59pm (report abuse)Jake, you are showing your ignorance! I too live in a very rural area and have most of my life. I take care of your cast offs everyday out of my own pocket. I am not comparing horses and people, I am commenting on people's conceptions of property rights. The slave owners thought what they were doing was okay too, did not make it so, but they thought it was okay. Also another issue that boiled down to money and greed!
K. Isaiah Black
January 23, 2009, 2:01pm (report abuse)American has spirit but no soul. Soul comes from the character of how a people treats those creatures who cannot speak for themselves; those who have given their efforts and blood in building our nation, including less fortunate people, should be afforded the dignity of what their efforts have accomplished. Human and horse evolved along side each other in similar ways because they had the same predators. We still do evidently, only those predators walk on two legs.
Charmaine Settle
January 23, 2009, 2:03pm (report abuse)Don't make these horses suffer for your greed. Please support HR 503!!
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 2:05pm (report abuse)To Me:
I am glad you did the right thing by your horse. However your future horses should not have the end of their lives determined by the economy, I surely hope you did not mean what you said about not paying whatever the cost might be for your next horse that you may pick up for very little.
Diana
January 23, 2009, 2:07pm (report abuse)To Jake,
For most horse owners, myself included, our horses are also our companions. Since the horse was domesticated they have enjoyed a similar place in our hearts as does a dog or cat.
Like you, I was raised in a rural farming community. The pro-slaughter mentality has nothing to do with where you were raised. It has to do with right and wrong and a person's ability to tell the difference.
Fortunately for our horses, most Americans can distinguish between the two. That is why we need laws to protect people as well as animals, from folks such as yourself who cannot.
Your property argument does not hold any water either. Cars and refrigerators are our property, yet there are laws dictating how we dispose of these items when they are of no use to us. The same holds true with animals.
No sane person would think inhumane death is OK; therefore I must conclude you are not sane. You have neither 'horse sense' or any sense at all based on what you have said.
Patricia A. Parr
January 23, 2009, 2:12pm (report abuse)Dear Congressmen:
I am writing to plead with you to vote for HR 503 to reinstate the protective measures of the wild horse and burros of the West. As it stands they will be gathered and reduced to non-viable numbers as the BLM is carrying out a very sad political and financial agenda. This agenda includes land developers, ranchers and the huge demand overseas for horse meat. We, in this country, stopped and closed the slaughter houses, because we do not eat horse meat. This just proliferated the transport of thousands to Canada and Mexico where the method of slaughter is brutal, bloody, long and inhumane. Stabbing a horse to death is wrong, sirs/madams.
Please reinstate those measures and please listen to the MANY experts, horse-experts, biologists/geneticists, conservationists and NOT the corrupted BLM. Please stop the this senseless and horrible act before it's too late.
Thank you.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 2:12pm (report abuse)Please have your friends and family call their congressmen and have this bill defeated. It's a bad bill, and its bad policy. If we want to regulate the humane transportation of horses to a slaughter house do so but, do not legislate how, when or where I "in my opinion" humanely dispose of my assets. Horses are not human, not family, and not companion animals. We need common sense not emotional rhetoric.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 2:13pm (report abuse)I have to go feed the horses you threw away now, but I will be back.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:13pm (report abuse)To Suzann:
You say: I am alarmed and dismayed with regards to the abandonment of horses which has occurred in the time since this original bill was passed. With the collapse of the economy, horses that could have been sent to slaughter are either being abandoned or left to starve. Something needs to be re-evaluated with regards to the slaughter of horses.
Response: YOU ARE SO MISINFORMED. First, horse slaughter is still an option for horse owners.
Second: The bill didn't pass. Where are you????
Third: Please tell us where horses are being abandoned? There are people in place to verify abandoned horses. Please inform us on this board. All of the abandoned horse stories that were propagated by the pro-slaughter lobby were just LIES.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:15pm (report abuse)To dot:
Are you the vet tech that was on the previous S311 board?? Your writing is very reminiscent of the vet tech.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:16pm (report abuse)To Jake,
Common sense dictates that you call the vet to have your euthanized and either bury him/her on your ranch or call the rendering truck. The slaughter option is for the greedy and irresponsible.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:17pm (report abuse)To Jake,
Sorry. Call the vet to have your horse euthanized.
arabrescuelady
January 23, 2009, 2:18pm (report abuse)Thank You Ann M. Marini, I would like to add there are also rescues that will take these horses in if indeed they exist and I personally have had reports like this come to me that have all turned out to be nothing but gossip.
Linda Moser
January 23, 2009, 2:24pm (report abuse)Abuse of animals has always existed, and ethical societies have always moved to stop it. Unfortunately, our current society is driven by greed and what's in it for me. We have a chance to outlaw a cruel and unnecessary practice. By the way, this in no way precludes us from caring about the poor, the hungry, abused children or any other need in our country. Why would compassion for one type of life preclude one from caring for another kind? Makes no sense. And guess what, all you "horsemen" who are worried about the value of your horses? When there is no longer an unnatural dumping ground for the overbreeders, the economics will force the numbers down in a natural supply and demand environment, and your horses will be worth more.
Pass the bill.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:32pm (report abuse)To Amber,
My comment that you do NOT have a right to abuse or neglect your horses are NOT my "ideas." It is the LAW.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 2:38pm (report abuse)To Brady,
So, let me get this straight. You take excellent care of your horses while they serve you but you feel they should be slaughtered when they can't serve you any longer??
By your rationale, when people get old and feeble and no longer useful to society, we should send them to the cannibals because we need to send them "somewhere else where they will do good"???
Why don't you just do the right thing if you are on a "big ranch." Call the vet and have the horse humanely euthanized.
Diana
January 23, 2009, 2:46pm (report abuse)Jake, you are right about one thing: we do need "common sense" applied to this situation; sadly, this is something you obviously lack.
cowboy 74
January 23, 2009, 2:52pm (report abuse)The stopping of slaughter plant' has caused nothing but trouble now all people will do is neglect them because they cannot afford to feed them has anyone stopped to think what will happen with all the un wanted horses the cippled and old. Who is goin to take care of them.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 3:02pm (report abuse)To cowboy 74:
What is the matter with you people??? Slaughter is still an option for you. Second, slaughter is associated with ABUSE and NEGLECT of horses. Just look at the statistics from Illinois. When Cavel, the horse slaughter house, was still in operation, abuse and neglect of horses increased.
There is no such thing as an unwanted horse. There is, however, unscrupulous and irresponsible breeding that has led us to this mess.
The so-called crippled and old horses need to be humanely euthanized by a vet. If you can't afford these costs or don't want to pay these costs, DON'T OWN HORSES.
me
January 23, 2009, 3:03pm (report abuse)To arabrescuelady
I didn't say I a put my horse down for economic reasons. If you must know he coliced an was in a lot of pain. I did do the right thing for him by putting him. My point is if read back to what blueprints had to say "humanely euthanize your horse by a vet (which costs less than a month’s board)" the cost to euthazine horse is not cheap. There is a lot of people who do put down their horse for "econimic reasons" because they can't sell them. Have you seen what horses are selling for recently? There are hundred of horse in my area for under $1000. Because of over population, no places to put these horses and the cost to keep them people have resorted to abandoning them or shooting. Tell what's the use in that? It is so hard to get rid of horse now days you have to practically give them away.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 3:07pm (report abuse)To me,
Why don't you ask your questions to the people who mindlessly are overbreeding their horses?
Breeding poor quality stock will always reduce the market price of horses. There is over population because of the mindless overbreeding.
If you know of abandoned horses, tell us on this board. There are people in place who will investigate and determine the validity of the abandonment.
cowboy 74
January 23, 2009, 3:21pm (report abuse)To Ann
Have you ever seen a horse euthanized if you want to see cruelty watch that being done. I have seen it many times and it's not a nice death. They don't just go to sleep they cry out in pain. And I have seen vet's who have had to go inside them and cut an artery to end their life. Just because you have a Ph.D doesn't mean you have all the answer's. There is a overpopulation no where to go with the horses I take very good care of my horses but there has to be an outlet for them.
Angie
January 23, 2009, 3:21pm (report abuse)ANyone voting for this bill is an ignorant ingrate!!! and has no idea what the horse people of the world are doing! We take great care of our animals,, and for many,, these horses are treated like family!! However.. it should not be the governments decision to tell us what we can and cannot do...... IF we keep horse slaughter in the US we can regulate the care of the horse.. if we continue to ship out, think of the ADDITIONAL miles these horses put on to their death! You ignorant people!!!
You've caused soo much damage to the industry and to the horses themselves. YOU'VE subjected them to the level of abuse things are at today.. SHAME ON YOU!... this bill is stupidity!!
Jake
January 23, 2009, 3:26pm (report abuse)Since when is slaughter and abuse and neglect the same? We slaughter cows, chickens, pigs by the millions. Does that mean they are they abused and neglected? No, they are livestock that are bred and used for specific purposes. Horse as great and wonderful as they are, are no different. And since everyone wants to bring money into the equation, what is the matter with making a profit or recouping some of your costs when you send an animal to slaughter? Everyone in business wants to reduce costs. I guess we just want the government to take care of us. Quit trying to equate human rights and lives to rights of animals. It’s ridiculous.
Ann M. Marini, Ph.D., M.D.
January 23, 2009, 3:28pm (report abuse)To Cowboy 74:
I have seen many horses euthanized. You should call the AVMA to make sure that your horses are being euthanized properly.
I am also tired of this same old song about "euthanasia being cruel." It is nothing more than BS that is propagated by the pro-slaughter lobby in an attempt to convince people that slaughter is less cruel. Slaughter is CRUEL.
mustanggal
January 23, 2009, 3:30pm (report abuse)Thank you Angie and Cowboy 74. There are to many horses and no place for them to go. There is not enough rescue to take in all of the unwanted or unuseable horses. Rescues might be a nice idea but what do you do with a horse that is not adoptable?
Lin
January 23, 2009, 3:37pm (report abuse)A KB can buy a horse for 3 or 4 hundred dollars, sell it to the butcher for more because the butcher’s are getting 20 to 40 dollars a pound for horse meat in Europe. The market is over run with horses because of over breeding. I think it is a disgrace that a race horse winning thousands of dollars for their owners and once they don’t or get hurt.... off they go to a horrendous death. The breeders, bred away with no concern what happens to these foals....this is animal abuse and it has to stop.. We are horse people and we have to come together on this...and get the horse back to it’s rightful place in American, now they are hamburger for rich Europeans.
Cowboy 74
January 23, 2009, 3:39pm (report abuse)To Ann
You need to wake up the tax payer pay's 6 million doller's a month to feed the wild horses in this country last year the government was 27 million over budget foe feeding horses and takeing care of them and all you want to do is add to that problem does your M.D stand for Mighty Dumb.
Jake
January 23, 2009, 3:40pm (report abuse)Oh yea, the way things are going we will soon require a vet on board every commercial fishing vessel to euthanize the fish in a humane manner so they are not deemed to be abused. Maybe the government will not let me flush my goldfish down the drain when it dies. I will have to have preapproved disposal method in compliance with government guidelines. The way things are going there will no longer be hunting or fishing because those activities will be classified as cruel and inhumane.
Snaffles
January 23, 2009, 3:43pm (report abuse)Chemical euthanasia can be dangerous to the handler and Vet that's giving the shot. Any equine Vet out there will tell you stories of almost getting killed by horses that have bad reactions to the intial anesthetic or are too dangerous to even handle to give injections. Yes it works in many cases, but its not 100% peacefully going to sleep.
Captive bolt, or gunshot is considerd the most humane because it renders the animal brain dead or comatose immediately. They are incapable of feeling pain. like chemical euthanasia it is not 100% succesful, misses do happen and in those instances its imperative that the anmial be destroyed right away. That is much easier to do with a firearm/bolt, than with a needle.
As long as the horse is killed instantly and painlessly, the method in which they are killed does not matter. What matters even less is what the resulting carcass is used for. If it can provide nutrition for a human or animal, its better than being wasted and contaminating water.
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