H.R. 2536 would provide relief for the shortage of nurses in the United States.
Detailed Summary
Emergency Nursing Supply Relief Act - Amends the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 to lift until September 30, 2012, the numerical limitations on employment-based immigrants (and accompanying family members) hired as nurses and physical therapists, subject to a cap of 20,000 visas.
Amends the Public Health Service Act to direct the Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to award annual grants to nursing schools to increase the number of faculty and students at such schools. Establishes in the Treasury a Domestic Nursing Enhancement Account to fund such grant program. <p />
Amends the Immigration and Nationality Act to: (1) allow an alien who has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence and is a physician or other health care worker to work in a candidate country (defined to include a lower middle income country or one experiencing a natural disaster) without losing eligibility for naturalization; and (2) make inadmissible alien physicians or health care workers who have an outstanding obligation to their country of origin based upon financial assistance received from such country for medical training. Allows a waiver of inadmissibility under certain circumstances.
Directs the Secretary of Labor to establish a partnership program to award grants to certain healthcare and training entities to provide education to nurses and create a pipeline to nursing for incumbent ancillary health care workers who wish to advance their careers.
Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security (DHS) to collect and report to Congress on specified data on alien workers employed as professional nurses or physical therapists.
Status of the Legislation
Latest Major Action: 6/12/2009: Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on Immigration, Citizenship, Refugees, Border Security, and International Law.
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Visitor Comments
US Nurse
June 7, 2009, 11:49am (report abuse)I am not discriminating, I am supporting my countrymen, similar to all your countries that don't allow Americans. How is hiring natives discrimination? That is senseless. If two equal people are applying for a position and one is denied, because of race or religion that is discrimination. We are talking about a legal bill that is not passed, I as an American have every right to speak out.
The Sentosa nurses were cleared of criminal charges, that is correct but they are not cleared of civil charges. Furthermore would you have wanted these nurses taking care of your child? They could advocate for themselves how could they protect their patients.
The parts of Texas have very high Medicare costs, I predict the shortage will be over when Medicare decreases funding,
How dare you accuse me of being selfish posting on a US Web site about a bill that I don't support. Americans are about freedom of speech.
nurse
June 11, 2009, 3:14am (report abuse)my friend,how can u.s. hospitals hired native knowing that mostly americans are not or rather dont like nursing job?you are now after nursing job coz america is in deep recession now,right?for sure,if the economy bounce back,you all americans,will likely to find a clean job unlike nursing job..shame on you people!!!!!!!!!!
Nurse
June 11, 2009, 4:16am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
you are so ignorant...what civil charges? As I told you if they were not good nurses they would not have the support of their own Nurses Assn. The New York Nurses assn? I rather have them take care of the patients than you who is just a bitter, after the money, low skilled nurse...There are more than 50,000 foreign nurses working in our country and if that is not proof enough of how good they are just shut the f... up!!!! How many malpactice suits are there concerning foreign nurses and compared to americans...including you who probably cant find work because either you stopped learning or too slow to educate yourself!!!!!! Now shut up, even americans are tired of your B.S.
Nurse
June 11, 2009, 4:32am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
The Sentosa 27 nurses are supported by Legal Aid, The New York State Nurses Assn, The American Nurses Assn. and last Jan 2009 the court prohibited any criminal and civil charges against them..the Sentosa Nurses are the victims here...exploited by unscrupulous American recruiters...(it's your countrymen who exploited them...) If you blog..try to keep them out of this they have suffered enough, just stick to the issue at hand. Exploiter!!!
Nurse
June 11, 2009, 4:49am (report abuse)To US Nurse
The 50 million civil suit filed by the american exploiter Ben Philipson just shows his greediness as well...(your countryman right?) BTW, Sentosa Care Group LLC, the recruitment agency supports this bill.
webmaster
(logged in user) June 11, 2009, 11:23am (report abuse)A reminder: Comments that are impolite, off-topic, violations of others' rights, or advertisements may be removed. Please refrain from personal attacks and foul language, which do not help other visitors to the site form opinions of this legislation.
US Nurse
June 11, 2009, 11:25am (report abuse)I agree the Sentosa have suffered and the patients have suffered, that is why immigration has to change to educate foreign nurses on US practices and recruiters have to be monitored. I agree both parties are at fault the nurses and the agency that hired them.
That is why an "emergency bill" is not need.
A. the Need for foreign nurses need to be established by the US Nurses not agencies like the Sentosa Care Group.
B. A transition and assessment program needs to be designed so foreign nurses are not put in horrible and unsafe situations.
C. In our US culture debate is welcome, but name calling is not tolerated and one would be fired with the behavior some of the foreign posters have exhibited here. I am going to forward these posts to me reps, they need to know the attitude foreign nurses will bring to the USA. Most US nurses love jobs and patients. Keeping trashing US nurses and it will provide ammunition to send to my Congress.
US Nurse
June 11, 2009, 11:33am (report abuse)Thank you Webmaster.
Every American has a vote, I exercise my vote for every election big or small. Some of the Foreign Nurses have posted that immigration lawyers and economists know best. I believe American Citizens know best and I contact my congressman and Senators frequently.
It there a link that could help the foreign nurses understand name calling is not the way to influence votes. Being an internet Bully is not the American way.
I have shared this with many US Nurses and they are appalled with the attitude of some of the posters here.
CA RN
June 11, 2009, 12:03pm (report abuse)There are shortages in areas of the country I say let's give them the chance to fill up nursing positions, I support this bill.
to US Nurse
June 11, 2009, 12:45pm (report abuse)I've never seen such a selfish and close-minded person as you are ..Stop being xenophobia. You need to face the facts now America is sinking.Who wants to work for a county that will give green card to illegals but say no to highly trained nurses or even scientist? You know nothing about it. right? This is so stupid.. Let those illegals to take care of your country men.
jeddah nurse
June 11, 2009, 2:17pm (report abuse)IF YOU DONT NEED THIS FOREIGN NURSES, WHY YOU AMERICANS ARE COMING IN OUR COUNTRY TO RECRUITS US.YOU ARE GIVING US FALSE ASSURANCE.YOU ARE TAKING OUR HARD EARNED MONEY FOR CGFNS,IELTS.NCLEX.VISASCREEN FEES VISA APPLICATION FEES.WE WENT TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES LIKE MIDDLE EAST TO TAKE ADVACE TECHNOLOGY NURSING PRACTICE.NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS SKILLS AMERICA HAS NO VISA FOR US.RETURN ALL OUR MONEY THAT WE PAID FOR YOUR EXAMS SINCE YOU DONT WANT US TO COME OVER THERE.THIS IS STILL BETTER PLACE THAN AMERICA ABORTIONIST
Red
June 11, 2009, 3:05pm (report abuse)Just ignore all comments not related to the bill and stick only with the issues.
Someone is obviously trying very hard to rally people by playing with people's emotions.
Best if everyone just ignore and not post anymore comments. Vote if you must. Don't play their game. Ignore is the best option.
US Nurse
June 11, 2009, 5:09pm (report abuse)Foreign Nurses save your money, there are for profit people making promises that they know they can't keep. They are scamming you. Buyer beware and shame on them taking your money. I will contact my reps to pass a bill
http://www.nursingworld.org/MainMenuCategories/EthicsStandards/Voluntar... />
Do research, America has been in retrogression since 2006. Save your money. There is no emergency here.
In American all qualified Americans are well to work, Black, White, Hispanic, any age or Creed.
How do you know my race, color or religion?
Back to the point, if and where there is a shortage, ADVERTISE there are plenty of new grads looking for jobs.Once all the US grads are employed then plan B can be used to find foreign nurses who have a proper orientation and realize the US is not a place for hate.
Before we pass an emergency bill, first recruit ,US pass an ethical
bill so foreign nurses are not victims.
RN
June 11, 2009, 5:16pm (report abuse)I know foreigners have no voting right on this matter but try to understand at least give them a channel to vent their feelings, the average cost in visa screen applications per person is about $2000/person and multiply that to the modest number of at least 50,000 foreign applicants (the number could be higher) thats a total income of $100,000,000!!! I agree with Jeddah nurse, why take the money if they wont be allowed to work anyway?
US Nurse
June 11, 2009, 9:45pm (report abuse)I feel sorry for foreign nurses who went to Saudi Arabia for experience planning on coming to the USA. No one predicted the economic situation that has happened. If Universal Health Care comes about in the USA expect a decrease in nursing positions. The VA Hospital System the largest healthcare system in the USA now requires US Citizenship to be employed. If universal care comes about and the US adopts VA Healthcare systems I could for see that nurses would need to be US citizens.
Venting is fine, name calling and trash talking the US is not. Also this is a political site where is is all about learning about impending laws. I am sorry US laws should be made to benefit their citizens not foreigners.
Also a suggestion, if you wish to work in the USA shouldn't you try to befriend the nurses you aspire to work with? It is very short sighted to alienate people they want to work with. In the US we team teach work, is that not a value that others learn?
Nurse
June 12, 2009, 11:28am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
Who says about working there? I just replied to you because you keep trashing the honor of the sentosa nurses I just defended them. If i insulted you, i apologize. I got carried away because I know them. and they are very good nurses.
To US Nurse
June 12, 2009, 1:51pm (report abuse)Who cares about working at your country? There are tons of opportunities in Canada, Austrilia, middle east, and so on.. I even make more money in Canada.Yes to the bill of giving greencards to millions of illegals. Let us wait and see what is gonna happen next. Don't beg foreign nurses to take care of those illegals- your country men later.
NYC Nurse
June 12, 2009, 5:25pm (report abuse)I strongly believe that this bill should be included in the health care reform. It is about time to allow these nurses work in the US. They have paid their fees, they have waited long enough, and we really need nurses. There is a shortage of nurses, and if nurses are not hired is because of economic reasons. The only way for a foreigner to work in the US is by finding an sponsor who's got the money. So if there's no money there's no green card. Why oppose to it when in reality many of these nurses won't even be hired?
US Nurse
June 12, 2009, 7:11pm (report abuse)http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/hlthaff.28.4.w620/DC1
Health Affairs update on current status of nursing.
2nd year Nursing Student
June 13, 2009, 9:51am (report abuse)There is a nursing shortage in the US. It may not be in everyones area they live in, but it is definitely here. I have heard of several graduate nursing students who cannot find a job in the areas they live due to economic cut backs, but in other areas around our nursing program I have seen job opportunities for nurses. Most of the ones commenting there are no nursing shortages need to take their heads out of the sand box they have it in and do the research. I also belive that we do need to find jobs for those of us who have graduated or are graduating from a nursing program. I do believe that if foreign nurses go through the proper channels to get their visa and come here for work, they are entitled to their chance at it.
US Nurse
June 13, 2009, 1:02pm (report abuse)I am not doubting that there are shortages in some areas, such as rural Maine, Indian Reservations, and other remote areas. History has shown that Foreign Nurses go to Urban areas such as NYC, California, and other high paying areas.
According to ABC News yesterday, the nursing shortage has been helped by the economy.
As student I suggest you read the Health Affairs articles posted, the leadership is not looking to foreign nurses as the answer the ? impending shortage.
Glad to hear that there are many new nurses in the pipeline. The role of nursing is evolving and with technology and new models of care the nursing role is changing. It is an exciting time to be a student.
I would ask you to ask your professors about their vision of American Nursing and the role of the foreign trained nurse.
In the bigger picture, the changes of this bill being passed as a sole bill is slim. There was an opportunity during the bailout bill but Congress Wexler did not tuck this in.
CAT
June 13, 2009, 1:19pm (report abuse)"I am not doubting that there are shortages in some areas, such as rural Maine, Indian Reservations, and other remote areas. History has shown that Foreign Nurses go to Urban areas such as NYC, California, and other high paying areas."
There are still shortages on the areas you've mentioned.
What is with you? Many have commented already of diff. areas having shortages complete with links. Why do you still fail to understand? The shortage is not only in rural or remote areas or Indian reservations. Your ignorance is laughable!
I doubt you are even a nurse. You must be some activists or from the unions tasked to do the task you are currently doing. You seem to be all over the internet where this bill is being discussed.
And you already exhausted your credibility by keeping on changing your mind regarding whether there is a shortage or not.
If an area has no job openings, no employer can petition a foreigner. Very simple logic you keep stubbornly ignoring.
US Nurse
June 13, 2009, 3:15pm (report abuse)I am a Nurse, 32 years this month and a non union member. The numbers reported in Health Affairs does not support the need for Foreign Educated Nurses. Does not support the need when 300,000 American Nurses rejoined the workforce, my guess that even more American Nurses will join the work force in 2009. This dilutes the need for importing nurses. Add in the Impending Health Care reform were budget cuts will be loaming means that No Need for foreign nurses.
Health Care Reform + More US Nurses returning to workforce + Bad Economy + No Nursing Associations Supporting the bill + Bill not tucked into Bail Out Bill + Decreased hospital Budgets = No Need for Foreign Nurses
To US Nurse
June 13, 2009, 3:33pm (report abuse)Nursing shortage+Nurse average age is 47 something+Not enough nurse educators+Overtime pay in hostpial casued by shortage= Need for Froeign Nurses
Your ignorance+Money motivated+Short sighted= No need for Foreign Nurses
CAT
June 13, 2009, 3:45pm (report abuse)"Add in the Impending Health Care reform were budget cuts will be loaming means that No Need for foreign nurses."
Don't count your chickens before they are hatched. We do not even know what the final health care reform bill will look like.
Single payer advocates are even saying if there will be single payer more jobs will be available. Try visiting calnurses.org.
This bill was only introduced on May, 20, months after the bailout bills. : - )
"my guess that even more American Nurses will join the work force in 2009"
make sure you don't forget to tell them that there are no shortage and that it is only found in remote places and in Indian reservations. : - )
CA RN
June 14, 2009, 2:18am (report abuse)The health care reform proposes insurance to everybody. that means there will be a surge in patients due to affordability of treatment, all over the country. dont listen to US Nurse, this bill will be passed because of the expected shortage the surge will bring.
US Nurse
June 15, 2009, 9:28am (report abuse)Check out the state of MA, it is mandatory that every citizen has health insurance, and nursing jobs are very difficult to find.
http://medheadlines.com/2008/06/03/mandatory-health-insurance-in-massac... />
If implemented in a state like CA Medicaid funding is cut, reason why is that patients have to enroll in an insurance program. All the "emergency admissions" are decreased, no more "free care pool" this impacts the hospitals budget and census. Mr Obama also is asking for level Medicare Funding, how can US Hospitals afford to hire foreign nurses when they will not be getting Medicare to pick up the tab. Also I for see many law suits, if a hospital spends $30K to recruit a foreign nurse while native nurses apply.
When HMOs were pushed initially nursing positions were cut, single payor will mean less nursing positions. Look at the UK, is there a demand for nurses?
Obama has made is very clear, no need to import foreign nurses. Educate our own.
US Nurse
June 15, 2009, 9:40am (report abuse)I checked out the CA Nurses have a formal position AGAINST foreign nurses. Thanks for the link.
Single payor will mean more streamlined care and less nursing positions. Thanks for the link and making my case stronger.
Check out MA Healthcare - means no need for foreign nurses.
http://story.chinanationalnews.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/9366300fc9319e9b/... />
President clear - No foreign Nurses.
Single payor or MA Health Model - no foreign nurses.
Only looking for foreign nurses= Immigration Lawyers + Foreign Nurse+ For profit agencies AGAINST
US Public + US President + New Health Care Model + Nursing Associations.
Sorry does look like this is on life support.
Do a favor, educate foreign nurses don't go into nursing thinking the US is looking to employ them. Cranking our 100,000+ for US employment is only making NCLEX review facilities and schools rich.
Go into nursing to take care of their citizens.
CAT
June 15, 2009, 10:14am (report abuse)"I checked out the CA Nurses have a formal position AGAINST foreign nurses. Thanks for the link."
And where does it state that they are ?? Can give an exact quote ??
"Obama has made is very clear, no need to import foreign nurses. Educate our own."
All he said was not to overly rely on them and educate more American nurses.
Don't you think he was pandering a bit because the crowd on that particular day?
So, there is a nursing shortage again, ha?
No need to educate more nurses or attract more nurses to teach by increasing their salaries if there is no national shortage and if the shortage is only in remote areas and Indian reservations.
You have no logic. Just making excuses and changing positions multiple times (on whether there is a shortage or not) to suit you.
No sense having a debate with you.
CA RN
June 15, 2009, 11:51am (report abuse)There's no point in arguing with US Nurse, this bill will pass whether she likes it or not. Enough said, to everybody don't comment on this blog anymore and don't dignify US nurses' remarks with a reply, this bill will pass. Over and Out.
To US Nurses
June 15, 2009, 7:03pm (report abuse)What can I say?? You are a looser. Don't you dare to ask a foreigner to help you at work... You will work your ass off to take care of your country men soon.. Discussion is over. You are illogic. No points to argue. FYI, I know the feeling of taking overtime and make about $100,000 a year... That was how I made as a new grad. We don't have enough nurses.. Our managers have to constantly call us to take overtime. If you are interested in applying, this is a hospital in Arizona.. I bet you don't want to take care of many Mexicans since you are White...Oh, there is also another hospital in Texas that even sponsor work visa H1 to foregin nurses because no White ppl would want to work there. Make sure you share this information with your ppl.
US Nurse
June 15, 2009, 8:02pm (report abuse)You are making an assumption, how do you know what race I am.
CA Nurse, good luck, California is big trouble, I hope you can hold on to your job.
To Arizona Nurse, wow you should leave nursing if you have issues taking care of minorities. I have had assignments with 100% minority patients.
CA RN
June 16, 2009, 11:30am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
She/He means you, having issues with minorities not her/him. Don't twist what he or she is saying. Yes to this bill! BTW, I 'm confident, I'm secured with my 2 JOBS! Go Lakers!!
US Nurse
June 16, 2009, 4:59pm (report abuse)How can you be a legally licensed RN in CA if you don't have a SSN ?How can you have two offers when foreign nurses have petition dates going back to 2005 AND you are only allowed one sponsor?
So I conclude CA RN is has either lied to get a SSN, went to school in the USA and wants to cut ahead of all of the other immigrants since they went to school in the USA since completing the OPT. Either way not a credit to nursing ( being a liar or stepping ahead of those who played by the rules).
This bill FAILED last year will fail again, CIR is geared towards illegal Mexicans and reuniting families, Mexican Nurses can already work in the USA. Not Foreign Nurses. Health care reform will equal less services less need for RNs.
US Nurse
June 16, 2009, 5:12pm (report abuse)http://www.aflcio.org/mediacenter/speakout/csc.cfm
http://blog.aflcio.org/tag/uan-california-nurses-associationnational-nu...
You are spin doctor
June 17, 2009, 12:16am (report abuse)US Nurse,
You are so ignorant. First of all it did not fail. It never went to the floor for full voting because Congress closed shop earlier than usual due to the Nov. elections. It passed the sub-commitee and was expected to pass the full committee. Technically, it never failed nor succeeded.
2nd, it is not part of CIR and if eventually do then better.
Also, AFL-CIO already gave in months ago to support CIR. : - )
And you keep twisting what everyone says where ever you go. Thanks for displaying to everyone that 32 years of experience as a nurse is no guarantee of being a good nurse of even a better person. You did a good job letting everyone know of that by going to diff. websites and displaying your ignorance, arrogance, xenophobia, bias and inability to debate issues on facts and not on made up stories and anecdotes.
Part of the interview process now for nurses with 20++ exp. is to make sure they don't hire someone like you.
CA RN
June 17, 2009, 11:35am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
Who said I dont have a SSN? You really are desperate, I've been here since 1995 and I am already an american citizen. I work full time in one 877 bed hospital ER/ICU and work part time/per diem with another. Yes to the bill!
US Nurse
June 17, 2009, 6:52pm (report abuse)So much hate and name calling does not advance the cause of hiring foreign nurses under the umbrella of an "emergency" bill. I have proudly taken care of patients of all colors, creed, sexual preference, etc. It has been my privilege to be part of their lives.
I don't know where you live but age discrimination is against the law.
You are spin a doctor
June 17, 2009, 11:51pm (report abuse)Don't try to twist things again.
Those are just the proper adjectives describing what you are displaying from all the websites you have gone through. For sure, this is not the first time you heard of those thrown at you. Try to reflect on that and think deep on why people describe you as such where ever you go. It's not them or us; it's YOU.
Just calling a spade a spade. This is however, a thing you do not understand.
And that is not discrimination or even ageismm. Don't twist it. When someone interviews someone, they consider if they will be able to work well with the current workers in a place. If they interview someone that thinks foreign educated nurses the same way as you think of them, and majority of their workers are like that then surely they will think twice before hiring someone like that.
It is the same way as you said that you will never go to a hospital made up more of foreign nurses than US nurses.
US Nurse
June 18, 2009, 12:27am (report abuse)There is only one forum I am a frequent poster,which in non nursing. I think you are confused.
I have had an excellent stellar career, have scored nothing but the highest for getting along with everyone. The only grounds not hiring me would be my age (or is everyone with 20 years not hired in your world.). I have also been in a position of supervising over 200 nurses and most were foreign educated and they thought I was the best! They loved to work with me and visa versa. It was a United Nations! Nurses from Africa, Eastern Europe, UK, and many other places. It was great to place to work. Many of them still keep in touch. The only reason why we all don't work there is that due to Medicare Budget cuts the agency closed, but it was one of the best jobs I ever had.
I checked the 877 CA Hospital, looks like there are only 7 positions
https://jobs2.mednet.ucla.edu/css_external/CSSPage_SearchResults.ASP?T=... />
So where are these nurses going to work?
You are spin a doctor
June 18, 2009, 12:48am (report abuse)"checked the 877 CA Hospital, looks like there are only 7 positions"
Another ignorant answer. Since when does CA = USA. The US is even bigger than China, land mass wise.
Don't try to sway the topic to other anecdotal statements.
The other person was right. There is no sense debating you. You twist things and squirm out of things to other things not related.
I;m bowing out if this discussion. You are unbelievably stubborn. Another adjective to describe you.
CA RN
June 18, 2009, 2:25am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
I was making a point about you saying and I quote "CA RN lied to get an SSN and "How can you have 2 jobs with only one sponsor?" Thats why I told you my work background that's why I can have 2 jobs. Anyway it's good you acknowledged the 7 vacant positions...see...if there's an average 7 vacancies per institution multiply that with at least 20,000 hospitals and nursing homes and home health thats a shortage of 140,000 nurses this year!!!! Thanks US Nurse for making our case strong!!!!! Amen to You are a spin doctor, let's leave everything for US Nurse to peruse. CIAO!
US nurse
June 18, 2009, 8:28am (report abuse)Math correction vacancy rate as seen by management .798% which is considered excellent! Not an emergency. All those positions need seasoned nurses and most foreign nurses who are petitioning have zero experience. I don't think fine institution like your hospital would out new grads in those 7 positions. Look at other professions with a .798 % vacancy rate and they don't have "emergency " bills pending.
Also thanks for the laugh CA= China on a US board discussing American Issues. God Bless you, sounds like things must be very bad with all the anger you spill. I have faith in God.
Let the political process work and you will be posting again next year. I will pray for you to find inner peace.
CA RN
June 18, 2009, 9:40am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
Ciao is Italian for goodbye....not chinese. And actually foreign nurses are required by Immigration and DHS to have a minimum of 2 years experience to work here. So Ciao...again.
You are a spin doctor
June 18, 2009, 12:06pm (report abuse)"Also thanks for the laugh CA= China on a US board discussing American Issues. God Bless you, sounds like things must be very bad with all the anger you spill. I have faith in God.
Let the political process work and you will be posting again next year."
You are the one who is laughable. You can't even understand simple deductions. It means since when does the State of CA represent the whole of the USA and I said USA is even bigger than China to further emphasize that the whole USA is very BIG. Wow. You can't read either don't you? Where does CA=China come from??
If you are confident that nothing will happen, then why keep coming back here and keeps on debating us. Don't waste your time here if you think nothing will happen. Simple logic. Why keep coming back and responding?
You are a spin doctor
June 18, 2009, 12:12pm (report abuse)Do everyone and yourself a favor.
Since you are confident that it will die or nothing will happen, best if you don't come back here.
Let the political process work like you said. So stop posting here unless of course you are not confident.
I tell you, it will quiet down.
US Nurse
June 18, 2009, 5:34pm (report abuse)Information is correct, your are the SPIN Doctor.
http://www.aflcio.org/mediacenter/speakout/csc.cfm
Bringing nurses from abroad, or even educating more nurses here, without addressing the root causes of the nursing shortage, will have the same effect as sticking a finger into a leaky dike. It may help in the very short term, but in the long-term, disaster awaits. The focus on the recruitment of nurses from overseas further weakens the collective ability of nurses to seek improvements in working conditions. Immigrants are less likely to challenge employers because of their tenuous residency status. This willingness to accept employment on whatever terms are offered enables employers to place additional demands on the health care workforce, which will, in turn, accelerate the departure of domestic nurses from the profession.
The ALF- CIO does not support nurses coming you are once again WRONG.
US Nurse
June 18, 2009, 5:42pm (report abuse)What you don't understand is in the USA we encourage people to be assertive and Speak. Citizens have fought for free speech. Why don't you try and improve you home countries and have open debate. This is the political process, don't you get it?
Shame on US Citizens offering jobs that do not exist. That is despicable. Foreign Nurse, the truth is to save your money. Don't give money or sign anything until the economy turns. Shame on your government allowing them to offer jobs and exploit your labor.
And I made a mistake the Ca Hospital with 877 beds employs around 2000 FTE RNS which is a .35% vacancy rate.
To U.S Nurse
June 18, 2009, 7:09pm (report abuse)Whatever blah, blah, blah... Shame on YOUR government collecting foreign nurses money and warrant them something that even not exist. I guess that's how your country stimulate your economy. LOL.
TO U.S Nurse
June 18, 2009, 7:12pm (report abuse)Don't you think you are too old to be working?? In my country, women are retired at age 55. You should be retired! Do you country a favor, and leave your next generation some job opportunities.
US Nurse
June 18, 2009, 7:56pm (report abuse)My country has set my retirement age at 67.5 years old, but I think I am going to be like my mom who worked into her late 70's. Glad I don't live in your country and I am going to print out all these comments to my reps when I am on Capital Hill tomorrow. You all have represented your countries representing how to discriminate and how to try to silence my voice.
My congressional staff and Senatorial staff will see me, a real live person with a 100% voting record. I will have my family with me also.
Your comments show that much education needs to be done for Foreign nurses to function well in the US. Americans treasure the right of free speech and freedom ( freedom to work as long as you can).
God Bless all of you and I hope
and pray that USA will be in the position to help all of you. But we need to help Americans first.
And I am not even close to 55 years of age,
To U.S Nurse
June 18, 2009, 9:49pm (report abuse)We don't want to silence your voice, but I hope you present all the views from different parties. Be sure to pass this to your reps.. I am an international student who paid $50,000 tuition fee to study in the U.S. However, all the work fields expect nursing grant work visa. Do you think it is fair? FYI, I graduated with top 3% in my class, and I am also a member of Sigma Theda Tao honor society.. Look at me, I can't work!!Don't you think we deserve a chance? We deserve a fair competition. On top of that, I paid so much tax. Sometimes, I am frustrated of How American think. My school give illegals free tuition since they have been illegal for many years...But I have to out of state tuition fee. Those illegals never pay tax!! For all the international students who studied here, We paid tax, tuition, and much much more, and when we graduate We can't work.
You are a spin doctor
June 18, 2009, 9:58pm (report abuse)"Information is correct, your are the SPIN Doctor."
You can't read and twist things, that's the problem
I said AFL-CIO now supports CIR aka Comprehensive Immigration Reform. That was very clear. Your inventing things again. And this is new info as they changed their position regarding immigration reform in April, 2009.
http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=28657
http://blog.aflcio.org/2009/04/14/afl-cio-change-to-win-agree-on-joint-... />
And what's more clear now is you can't read and keeps spinning things to what suits you.
Your credibility has been gone a long time ago. Don't insult the intelligence of those who have read all your posts and your constant change of position re: nursing shortage.
I think you are no more than a internet troll. So, this is my last reply to you.
And the article you posted is very old, published in 2006.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ilo/ilr/2006/00000145/F0020001/ar...
US Foreign Students
June 18, 2009, 10:58pm (report abuse)This bill would not help you out unless you have a sponsor and a petition date going back to 2005 or 2006.
Your came to the US with a visa that said you would return to your home country the school should have explained that to you. This bill would not help you.
How could you get a federal loan when you are not a citizen?
Keep calling me names, while your true colors come out, so far you don't like people of color, middle age women, American Freedom of Speech.
I have been very clear, THERE IS NO SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! US Nurses are unemployed, the US President has made it clear US Nurses first !
Get you advice from immigration lawyers and agency who take your money. That is so foolish.
By the way I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell you.
What Americans need to do is educate foreigners how to avoid people with ways to help you to come to the USA with a big Price Tag.
It is in God's hands now, God Bless.
PS I won't be a troll when I show up in DC tomorrow.
US Nurse
June 18, 2009, 11:05pm (report abuse)This approach to immigration reform has five major
interconnected pieces:
1. An independent commission to assess and manage future flows, based on labor market shortages thatare determined on the basis of actual need;
2. A secure and effective worker authorization
mechanism;
3. Rational operational control of the border;
4. Adjustment of status for the current undocumented population; and
5. Improvement, not expansion, of temporary worker programs, limited to temporary or seasonal, not
permanent, jobs
There is no mention of Emergency Foreign Nurses sorry, I don't think they have changed there position since they would loose many union nurses.
CA RN
June 19, 2009, 1:44am (report abuse)To US Nurse,
The approaches to immigration reform is different from the proposed healthcare reform. Two different things, BTW, we're going to our reps too, and it looks like come voting time it's going to be majority wins. Thank God, not all americans are unsupportive.
CRT
June 19, 2009, 2:42am (report abuse)I have made it a priority to contact as many legislators as possible and ask them to oppose this poorly thoughtout legislation. There is no reason to import poorly-trained foreign nurses. To do so will only make healthcare worse, not better.
To CRT
June 19, 2009, 9:19am (report abuse)All foreign nurses are hired not imported, to import is better suited for goods or cargo. and foreign nurses hired to work here are not poorly trained actually the ones hired are required to have a minimum of two years experience. So, what is actually happening is that the ones who are not proficient and unqualified do not get hired and the better nurses are the ones leaving their country. I don't see why you oppose this so much. Out of probably 15,000-20,000 applicants around 2,000-3,000 will be actually hired, that's a very minimal amount it won't affect the domestic hiring of new grads here and most of that 3,000 nurses probably are here right now having finished nursing school in the U.S. Healthcare is bad because of the recession not because of foreign nurses here, so go ahead and state that to your rep so they will see your comment as insulting and without basis.
US Nurse
June 19, 2009, 9:28am (report abuse)Remember you need to actually vote on election day. When I vote it troubles me to see how few Americans exercise this right. I know when one rights to congress, they first check your address and then they check if you are registered to vote. Some even check back voting records to see if you actually voted.
It is laughable when people say they are going to contact their Congressmen and don't get a response. If you don't vote they often don't value your comments since they know you didn't support them.
I believe in the process, I find it humorous when the foreign nurses think that immigration lawyers and agencies have a special in with Congress. Yet they pine away in their home countries and don't try to fix the horrible situations were they live.
How is a foreign nurse who can effect change in their home system able to make nursing better in the USA being passive and accepting sub standard nursing conditions due to the fact the feel like slaves to their sponsor.
To U.S Nurse
June 19, 2009, 9:54am (report abuse)You are so ignorant. You don't know anything, absolutely anything about immigration. I don't think you even care about your patient. I guess the only thing you are concerned is your benefit and your union's benefit. Of course, it is MONEY.!!
LOL
June 19, 2009, 9:57am (report abuse)It seems to me there are only 4 ppl to argue on this board and most threads are from U.S Nurse. It sounds hilarious that you will print this conversation out and show them to your rep. LOL. Your thinking is so naive.
To US Nurse
June 19, 2009, 3:44pm (report abuse)I am a foreign nurse petitioned by a hospital 5 years ago, just want to inform you we don;t accept sub standard conditions, in fact my hiring rate is at par with my fellow american nurses who are also newly hired back then. Until now, my benefits is exactly the same with my american counterparts. Same workload, same conditions. To alleged that decent americans will subject foreign nurses to exploitation is baseless and hurtful.
To US Nurse
June 19, 2009, 3:50pm (report abuse)It is really pathetic that you will work till your 70s. My parents were retired at 60s, and they started traveling around the world to have a fun in life. 70s? huh, How much longer can you live? Well, maybe working and money are essential in your life than anything else.
US Nurse
June 19, 2009, 5:26pm (report abuse)Glad to hear your parents retired in their 60's they probably had a job that didn't save lives on a daily basis. Why wait to retire to travel, I am on my 4th passport since 1997. Many of the US Congress is over 70. I think their staff took offense when I showed them this post today.
I love being a nurse, I am great at it. I have a huge box of thank you notes for my patients over the years.
Immigration Lawyers are giving up on this bill
http://blogs.ilw.com/nurse_immigration/
The crux of their argument to Sen. Sanders was that if Comprehensive Immigration Reform is going to take root this fall, then piecemeal legislation such as H-1B fee increase would be counterproductive.
Unfortunately, this means that efforts to pass the Emergency Nursing Supply Relief Act (HR 2536) are not likely to be successful this spring/summer.
Sorry, but God Bless, God has a plan for all of us.
Beautiful afternoon here in DC.
To US Nurse
June 19, 2009, 7:11pm (report abuse)It is really hard for me to imagine you in your 70's as a bedside nurse to save your patients life. LOL. Oh, I thought you were gonna show these posts to your rep... Their staff, huh? You mean front desk?
American patient
June 20, 2009, 5:12am (report abuse)"There is only one forum I am a frequent poster,which in non nursing. I think you are confused."
I have been reading all the comments here from the beginning and even double checked this US Nurse character. The WWW is very small, its quite easy to double check. It's true, US nurse & American nurse and alexk49 are one and the same person.
So the statement above is just another one of her lies.
Surely, you do not expect people to eventually know don't you.
You even naively also commented (as alexk49 in allnurses.com) that you are in DC as well.
The other bloggers here are right to say that you do not have credibility anymore.
Also double checked her posting history. The "there is a shortage only in remote areas and Indian reservations" line and other ignorant lines have been used by the alexk49 character in allnurses as well. And no one uses the same ignorant lines but only her.
CRT
June 20, 2009, 10:44am (report abuse)To bring into the country is to import.
Healthcare will only become worse by using imported nurses, expecially these low quality examples.
As far as these poorly trained, low-quality imports are concerned - KEEP THEM OUT. We do not need them.
To Alexk49
June 20, 2009, 10:59am (report abuse)wow, don't know you are a Surgical Quality Manager and Nursing Instructor. Quite impressive there. I am glad that I wasn't one of your student though... Lucky me. All I can tell is all the members of your union are money driven. You are afraid to make less money, and caring for your patient is just a lie... oh, and my best wishes to America.. It seems this country doesn't worth to stay any more. Refugees, illegals get green cards, but skilled workers even people with PH.D degrees have to wait in a 10 years long line..Don't know the logic there... Toodles to your country.. Please work hard to feed your homeless drug men and your illegals who are about to become your country men.:)
CRT
June 20, 2009, 1:03pm (report abuse)Bye bye. Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on the wat out.
To everyone
June 20, 2009, 1:36pm (report abuse)US Nurse, Alexk49 and CRT are one and the same. Just a troublemaker, probably just got nothing to do. Ignore him, he's not even in DC I got his IP number. YES to the bill!!!! Go Lakers!!!!
US Nurse
June 20, 2009, 11:16pm (report abuse)I hope you don't work in IT since I am sitting in DC right now and I don't have a clue who CRT is ( although this person is on target). And I not a union member . Strike Three and your out!
Easy to be a bully when you don't post under the same name.
The people who count find me very credible. I will pray for you to find relief from all your anger.
God Bless.
US Nurse
June 21, 2009, 9:57am (report abuse)Just so I can be clear, this bill is to pass an Emergency Bill to import Foreign Nurses.
Due the economy, the hospital admissions and procedures performed are down. Healthcare reform is looming in the near future, and the impact on nursing is unclear. To bring foreign nurses into the USA during a time where American Nurses are unemployed is foolish. As a taxpayer why should I pay for American's Unemployment Tax and subside an American Nurse while a foreign nurse is employed. It doesn't make sense to the American collect unemployment while foreign nurses are working
Americans need to learn from there past mistakes, when unethical recruitment practices occurred in the late 1990's. Voluntary Code of Ethical Conduct for the Recruitment of Foreign Educated should be followed. When all American Nurses are employed and there is a shortage another bill can be introduced.
Douglas
(logged in user) June 22, 2009, 5:28pm (report abuse)This bill should be re-titled "The Margaret Utinsky Nursing Act" after the Lithuanian nurse who saved the lives of countless American POWs in the Philippians during the Second World War. The lady organized a Filipino resistance network to supply quinine and other life saving necessities to US soldiers languishing in Japanese POW camps. Many Islanders were executed or tortured for participating as depicted in the movie “The Great Raid”, about the liberation of the Cabanatuan Prison Camp on the Philippine island of Luzon.
RVI
June 22, 2009, 9:49pm (report abuse)crt, alexk49 and USnurse
Info for individuals afflicted by blind patriotism. You don't know your history.
American nurses were responsible for the growth of nursing schools in the Philippine islands. Back then, it was already the plan of the US government to utilize US trained Filipino nurses for US hospitals. Claiming that these nurses are low quality is just like saying the foundations of nursing practice is a bunch of crap.
Wexler's bill will only bring in 60 thousand nurses for 3 years. According to the latest projections of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, more than one million new and replacement nurses will be needed by 2012. Foreign nurses will initially fill up 6% of our health care needs and temporarily relieve us of the shortage. I don't know if this can be done but the remaining 94% may be filled up by unemployed US nurses. Is 940,000 vacancies still too small for you? YES TO THE BILL!!
CRT
June 25, 2009, 9:11am (report abuse)"Only 60,000 nurses for 3 years" And then how do you get rid of the parasites?
The only way to make sure you don't have cockroaches in your house is to make sure they are never allowed to get in. The same rule applies here. Don't let them in and you won't have to worry later about how to get rid of them. Cheap, low-quality imports are not the answer.
To CRT
June 25, 2009, 12:04pm (report abuse)Parasites don't pay real estate, income taxes. They break the law. Not so foreign nurses. HAHAHA, c'mon CRT is that the best you can do to show your uneducated side? Don't blame them if you're unemployed and still living with your parents. As the saying goes...It takes one to know one???? hahaha
webmaster
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June 25, 2009, 8:23pm (report abuse)So since all the GIs left the PI the [vulgarity]s are looking for any way they can find to get to the states?
xxx
June 26, 2009, 1:16am (report abuse)Nope, the GI's are still there...still exploiting and raping...
INT
(logged in user) June 26, 2009, 4:21am (report abuse)To ...
This Bill refers to International nurses and not for PI only....your comment doesn't help at all and your statement is such a RUBBISH! Don't make any comment that aren't related to the Bill