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H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 (72 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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H.R. 2159 would increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.

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NRA_Associate

May 6, 2009, 10:07pm (report abuse)

This Bill denies people their constitutional rights. It imposes the restriction of constitutional rights of a person who has broken no law and has not been convicted by a Judge and Jury. This is the most repressive and Orwellian piece of legislation I have ever seen. It violates almost every ammendmant in the constitution.

DailyKenn.com

May 8, 2009, 12:18am (report abuse)

A criminal record will no longer be the only excuse for snatching your Second Amendment right to carry a hand gun.

If the government merely considers you a potential terrorist, it can take away your right to defend yourself with a firearm.

Currently there are over 300 million Americans who are elgible to for consideration as potential terrorists.

The pending legislation is H.R. 2159.

Frog E

May 8, 2009, 1:40am (report abuse)

This is ridiculous! The usurper has been directing his henchman to classify every conservative as a terrorist. Veterans, Pro gun groups, anti abortion groups Etc. The true terrorist sit in their ivory towers of the house of congress.

salome

May 8, 2009, 4:01am (report abuse)

gonna get very,very interesting now,innnit ?

justme

May 8, 2009, 7:27am (report abuse)

Wow... this is gettin stupid. I guess we all can standby to get the lable now. With the way they are going, only those in office will be safe. Why do we allow such uneducated people to be in gov. Offices..?

hookcolumbus

May 8, 2009, 12:36pm (report abuse)

i say the terrorists are government officials who try to take gun roghts away...

pray7004

May 8, 2009, 5:22pm (report abuse)

This is important, don't waste your energy with these comments, we have all got to fight this, please right and call of Congressman (believe me it does help) especailly when you tell them come their next re-election time....you will not support them....this has got to be nipped-in-the-bud.....we have got to fight for our Freedom...like our ForeFathers before us, so get busy.

Also check out HR 1966 too...they are coming at us from all sides now

Dan Brewer

May 9, 2009, 6:11am (report abuse)

This bill is the worst piece of trash that has ever been proposed by more than one Member of Congress or the Senate!

I Guess they were Never taught what a RIGHT is, or what the Constitution is although they stood up and took an Oath to defend it!

I suggest the Immediate Impeachment of everyone who wrote it co-sponsored it or that votes for it!

Just in Case they read this, A RIGHT Guarenteed under the Constitution Can not be Infringed! The ownership or possession of a firearm is a "Right", NOT A PRIVILEDGE! You regulate Priviledges, NOT RIGHTS!

And According to the DHS Anyone who owns a gun is a Terrorist to start with! Not to mention anyone who has a mind and thinks for themselves!

WAKE UP PEOPLE! THEY ARE TRYING TO IMPRISON US ALL BY RESTRICTION!

Peter Courtenay Stephens

May 9, 2009, 9:11pm (report abuse)

This 71 year old grandfather, 48 year married, Army Honorable discharged Vet, Tax paying, Voting, Law abiding, Ivy league educated, Constitution Defending, Non Republican-Democrat says to Representative King of New York and his 6 co sponsors of this dishonest and completely unconstitutional bill!

Heil Hitler You Nazi Scum

Peter Courtenay Stephens

May 9, 2009, 9:33pm (report abuse)

Let me explain why I think this bill has been brought at this time. Besides the fact that the powers that be in the Obama administration including the messiah himself want gun control and actual elimination form the people the timing now is because, and this is only my opinion based on a very active participation in Freedom, is that the government in Washington which has been increasingly acting as a rogue government senses that there is a very decided under tow of disgust and anger in the American people because of the criminal class behavior from Wall St to the on the take Congress and that their is an ever increasing risk of armed rebelion in this country. Many Americans realise that this Rogue government is attempting to subjugate the people and the Constitution to indentured servitude to the elites and the supporters of the governments handouts and largess. This is only my opinion and may be way off track but, I do not think so.

smeg

May 10, 2009, 12:38am (report abuse)

Well, this should set off another wave of panic gun buying and ammo hoarding once word gets out.

This piece of %@$& is a blatant violation of the constitution and my representatives will be hearing from me...

Al Barrs

May 10, 2009, 11:56am (report abuse)

Has Rep. King and the other sponsors lost their cotton picking minds?

What happened to our concept of "innocent until proven guilty? What happened to our 2nd Amendment right? WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR COUNTRY?????

Charles A Givens

May 10, 2009, 12:10pm (report abuse)

Lock and Load folks it is almost time.

Mr. Clean

May 10, 2009, 6:40pm (report abuse)

Treason is punishable by death.

You better learn that politicians.

We the People will enforce our CONSTITUTIONAL rights to

Save our great Nation. You politicians are trying your best

To destroy the USA. YOU are the terrorists and you need

To LEAVE or be removed!

T. G.

May 10, 2009, 8:00pm (report abuse)

The nature of some of your comments have probably put you on the watch list allready.

Sevenfoot

May 10, 2009, 9:39pm (report abuse)

Please take a moment to read and sign this petition, Citizens Against HR 2159. This is how we, The American People, use our voices to announce our disenchantment with our governments disregard for The Constitution of The United States of America.

Thank you.

Ryan

www.twitter.com/sevenfoot

Sevenfoot

May 10, 2009, 9:41pm (report abuse)

Sorry, the hyperlink for my comment above didn't take. Here is the link to the "Citzens Against HR 2159" Petition.

www.PetitionOnline.com/No2159/petition.html

justme

May 10, 2009, 10:05pm (report abuse)

I bet they want to lable us law-abiding, rights-flexing citizens terrorists because they know THEY are the real terrorists and they want the heat off them. Like was said above, lock and load... its almost time...

justme

May 10, 2009, 10:11pm (report abuse)

I bet they want to lable us law-abiding, rights-flexing citizens terrorists because they know THEY are the real terrorists and they want the heat off them. Like was said above, lock and load... its almost time...

Ronald Patrias

May 10, 2009, 10:24pm (report abuse)

"A criminal record will no longer be the only excuse for snatching your Second Amendment right to carry a hand gun."

You are correct, sir! In my belief the restrictions placed on even convicted felons from obtaining firearms legally is unconstitutional and needs to be repealed.

Ken Garrett

May 11, 2009, 12:03am (report abuse)

It's high time the citizens elect members from other parties rather than Democrat and Republican. May I suggest the Constitutional Party.

Rex Baker

May 11, 2009, 3:58am (report abuse)

I wrote to my congressman and got a " I hear you," " I support you " and he actually said nothing. Started talking in " politicianese " I believe Mr. Stephens ( above ) is onto something. Even when the politicians have been shown to have their hands in the cookie jar, nothing happens to them. If they go to jail, very little time is served and have we ever heard officially that they have paid any money back that they took? We need a clean slate of everyone in Washington and I mean everyone.

smeg

May 12, 2009, 2:36am (report abuse)

Rex,

Can't argue with that! I've been saying for a while that no one convicted of any crime (above a traffic violation) should be allowed to run for office and if they are in office and get convicted of a crime then they get replaced. Only problem is that we'd be constantly having elections for the replacements! :)

jjet

May 12, 2009, 11:48am (report abuse)

Molon labe!!

Tar and Feathers

May 17, 2009, 6:56pm (report abuse)

Without benefit of review or the ability to contest denial, denial of a Constitutional right based on hearsay evidence is wrong.

Congress is the enemy of the people. They shall be charged accordingly at some point and answer for their crimes.

Who puts names on the list? Who added a 4 year olds name to the no fly list? Who elects these morons?

It's almost time.

southerncross

(logged-in user) May 18, 2009, 9:04pm (report abuse)

My Wife and I are totaly against any new Anti-GUN Bills of any kind.

gary

May 18, 2009, 10:10pm (report abuse)

this is total bs!!! trying to use fear tactics to take away rights ... sounds like more government bs we need all new congress . and no more career polititions. 2 terms your gone!!!!! if youve been there for more that eight years then you are out ,its time to vote idiots out!!!!

Jason from Houston

May 19, 2009, 3:20am (report abuse)

I used to think the saying "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" was hyperbole. More and more I fear that the 100,000,000 US citizens that own guns are being marginalized.

100,000,000 outlaws. Think about it.

COME AND TAKE IT.

Randwulf

May 19, 2009, 3:23pm (report abuse)

I say they should enact a law requiring terrorists who are hijacking jet liners to file a flight plan at least 10 days prior to committing their crime. I think this would curb that sort of behavior.

Randwulf

May 19, 2009, 3:35pm (report abuse)

Obviously this will keep all those Islamic types from coming in here and buying up weapons. Because, once they find out they are denied the purchase they will just give up. Right? I mean, once they know that it is against the law for them to buy a weapon, they will just go on back home and forget about it. Right? Because in order to get a gun to use to kill people in terrorist attacks, they would have to break the law by buying weapons on the black market from other criminals. And since they would know that this kind of thing is illegal, they wouldn't do it. Right? Geeezzz!!

Does Congress really think we are all THAT stupid out here? The law is designed to disarm law-abiding citizens who oppose the USURPER, not any criminal outsiders! If they pass this, there will be an insurrection, but it won't be in Iraq. Jihadists will be the last of their worries on Capitol Hill.

JKOhio

May 20, 2009, 1:01am (report abuse)

I guess terrorists will have to skip the permit process and just buy from the blackmarket.

john churilla

May 20, 2009, 1:24am (report abuse)

this bill is to remove the guns from everyone this is also a bill that will help the Oboma team get controll so that when they do force marshall law there will be smaller group resitance these *ssholes know fully what there doing , but what they have going is fooling the many stupid Americans that care not to pay attention to these criminals we have running our nation. if you would go to IFOWARS.COM get caught up on whats going on in washington D.C it is not good and it happening faster then we all can follow. O boma is a f----en lier he will burn in hell for is corruption , I pray he repents and turns

NOT WORRIED

May 20, 2009, 1:30am (report abuse)

THEY CAN NOT SEE WHO IS SITTING AT YOUR PC AND TYPING IN THIS LINK AND CAN NOT PROVE IT , DO NOT FEAR THESE CROOKS THEY DO NOT HAVE AS MUCH POWER AS THEY THINK , THE END FOR THEM WILL BE TERRIBLE!!!!!!!

Joe Crupie

May 20, 2009, 2:41pm (report abuse)

I signed the petition.. what a horrible bill this is. You can't take guns away from "terrorists" when you call Ron Paul supporters terrorists! What the hell, anyone that supports liberty will be deemed a terrorist!

steve king

May 20, 2009, 6:50pm (report abuse)

Take my dd214, house and citizenship while your at it House of self gratification. You all should be tried for treason!

not dumb

May 21, 2009, 1:39am (report abuse)

guess we'll just have to get our guns from local gangbangers coming over the border u can call whatever you want but dont come asking me for my freedom!!!

digitalpatriot

May 21, 2009, 3:01am (report abuse)

wow, the commies are really going hard now. Look up they're definition of a "terrorist". It simply means anyone with a voice.

they can have my gun. in fact they can have my bullets too - two in the chest.

MisterJones

May 21, 2009, 3:53am (report abuse)

This bill is dumber then a bag of hammers!

MisterJones

May 21, 2009, 4:07am (report abuse)

Oh yeah,as we say in The Republic of Texas come and take it!I will shoot stright and often,Iam so tired of waiting! Let battle be joined!

mickey

May 21, 2009, 7:22am (report abuse)

they declared war on us when they put out the 2 reports saying that almost everyone,right and left,was the enemy. what else do you need to understand that these people are totally insane. they put everything on the fast track,and will push right to the edge

obama is a radical muslim.who's rights does he fight for? where was his first television appearance? who paid for his harvard edu? who did he bow to?

who was his first phone call to?why does he apologize for what we do? wake up america. TEXAS SAYS"BRING IT ON!!!!!!!"

JIM3888

May 21, 2009, 7:25am (report abuse)

MAYBE THIS WILL GIVE US THE REASON WE NEED TO PUSH BACK. AMERICAN REVOLUTIION STYLE

Donald

May 21, 2009, 11:13pm (report abuse)

Hey Guys, let's not panic. We're armed and alert, aren't we? I'm a vet of two wars, a gun owning member of the NRA and a patriot. Congresspeople push their parochial agendas all the time. The way to deal with this Bill and any others that we dislike is to stay hot on your Representative's butt, support the NRA and other organizations that help protect our constitutional rights, and stay alert, as you obviously are. But I'm an American, bred and born, and I disagree with those of you who advocate for revolution. Let's maintain the rule of law, even while remaining prepared. And always love our country and our Constitution. I know that my sons and grandsons in the military have sworn, as I have, to defend the Constitution of the United States and to defend this country. And I trust that they and every other patriotic military person would not follow any orders that would involve killing and imprisoning their countrymen.

sglhsgsfkggsgngj

May 22, 2009, 12:56am (report abuse)

my friend says that if we want firearms we would be considered a terrorist due to this act so we wouldn't be able to access them. then we won't be able to defend ourself against bears. oh and the american holocaust.

David W

May 23, 2009, 2:26am (report abuse)

Hell according to the DHS, Americans who own a firearm, go to church, believe in God, hate the spending that is going on (no matter who was President), has a Ron Paul sticker on their car, and who attended the Tax Day Tea Party and who is a member of a Tea Party organization are considered terrorists. Buy the guns while you still can! I wish I could but thanks to damn economy I'm broke!

areasontolaugh

(logged-in user) May 23, 2009, 10:39am (report abuse)

I'm a Republican, Conservative, but I don't see anything here other than "you're wrong", "revolution", "tea party" and other vague declarations and threats. When someone has a good idea other than 'let's kill everyone and then it will be bliss' let me know.

Marvin P

May 25, 2009, 6:51am (report abuse)

GOD BLESS YOU PATRIOTS! DONT LET EM GET IN OUR HEADS GUYS WE CAN HOLD THEM DOWN!

Theres millions of us who vote, have guns legally, pay taxes, baby this country and will continue to do so. When the time comes well have an Armed Revolution which wont be a tough one easy! All we gotta do is get together. Salute!

Don P. Miller

May 27, 2009, 4:03pm (report abuse)

This 43 year Veteran, Voting, Law Abiding, Educated, Constitutional Defending, Non Republican-Democrat,

Here to Stand and Serve with Peter Courtenay Stephens (his comments above).

To D.H.S.:

Come take my rights from me. Because that is exactly what you are going to have to d0, is take it from me. Good luck, and pack a lunch...you are going to need it.

SLO

May 28, 2009, 3:03pm (report abuse)

"this bill is to remove the guns from everyone this is also a bill that will help the Oboma team get controll so that when they do force marshall law there will be smaller group resitance these *ssholes know fully what there doing , but what they have going is fooling the many stupid Americans that care not to pay attention to these criminals we have running our nation."

That's what I've been saying since the first intimation of the gun ban. If I had money, I would buy myself one...at least I've learned how to shoot!

gburg61

May 28, 2009, 11:07pm (report abuse)

thats right you idiots ...let them know what you really think and when the time comes they will get the internet records and pick us up one at a time for making"dangerous threats" on the internet...STOP publicly stating your anger and get involved quietly

carcinoma2087

(logged-in user) May 30, 2009, 10:48am (report abuse)

No one is buying the terrorism lie any more. This isn't about protection. its about our rights that are vanishing like dust the breeze. I think it may be wise to begin looking at how your voters feel before passing these sorts of laws on these sorts of issues. The is no way one earth any law could come back to win the popular opinion from the 95 to 5 it is at right now. i honestly dont know why i bother here, if the people opinion mattered to you, things would not be the way they are.

mike3912

June 1, 2009, 3:02pm (report abuse)

your presumed innocent till proven guilty, not the other way around. this shouldn't be passed.

Rotorhead43

July 4, 2009, 10:49pm (report abuse)

This is just another step in establishing a "top Down", scoialist, statist society, where all control is in the hands of the Government. Thomas Paine where are you!! It's more than time to clean House (both sides), install term limits, start with "Common Sense".

They are systematically stripping us of all of our rights, and draining us of our livelyhoods. We and especially our children are becoming financially shackled for decades to come. DON'T TREAD ON ME!!! Actions have consequences...

BobbyD

July 8, 2009, 12:29am (report abuse)

Justme almost called it, by saying that our reps are "uneducated"; that's not exactly true. Many are just plain ignorant. Ignorant isn't the same as stupid or uneducated. I'm amazed by the number of people who don't understand their constitutional rights, much less firearms or all the hoops that the law abiding have to go thru just to buy one.

Roy J. Reissner

July 16, 2009, 1:18am (report abuse)

The only free people that will have guns, or get guns are going to be the bad people, not the law abiding ones. I was in Australia just after they took the guns away. Only the criminals had guns and they were not affaid to rob a home because the owners did not have guns to defend themselves.

throwback

September 24, 2009, 1:21pm (report abuse)

Guns? What guns? I don't have any guns...

oldbiker

September 24, 2009, 7:20pm (report abuse)

I agree "LOCK AND LOAD" tHE TIME IS COMING FAST,AND I WILL STAND FOR MY RIGHTS!!hOW About YOU?

onceacop

September 25, 2009, 5:35am (report abuse)

the time for talk is over!

Bob

September 25, 2009, 1:24pm (report abuse)

Apparently terrorists getting permits to purchase guns and explosives has become a real problem.(note the sarcasm) This is aimed directly at you and me not terrorists. Darker days are coming.

FirstPatriot

February 15, 2010, 2:37am (report abuse)

The big picture is their are very powerful people pulling the strings of Washington. And the first time anybody says anything about these people your labled a antisemetic or a racist. Do a little research other than the main stream media or Alex Jones. You'll find the real truth for yourself.

FirstPatriot

February 15, 2010, 2:38am (report abuse)

This just one of many things these powerful people are doing.

Constitutional

February 15, 2010, 3:55am (report abuse)

Some of you need to actually read the Constitution:“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,shall not be infringed.” Well regulated militia comes first guys: that doesn't mean "every nut job with a penchant for carrying a gun." Your unhealthy paranoia is getting old. This bill is an attempt to give the government one more weapon in the war on terror and is aimed at making us safer. That said, how about stating the obvious? It seems like an ineffective bill and a waste of time: terrorists won't be applying for permits.

You are being manipulated and used by the gun manufacturing business which profits from the sale of handguns and ammunition: a huge amount of which ends up unregistered and in the hands of street criminals-killing teenagers and innocents.

At least I can sleep well knowing that ya'll are armed to the teeth, paranoid, racist, angry, uneducated and have twitchy trigger fingers.

Constitutional

February 15, 2010, 4:02am (report abuse)

Oh...and we're watching you...all of you...

Roger David

February 15, 2010, 7:18pm (report abuse)

The Supreme Court has recognized that the Second Amendment--notwithstanding its reference also to a "well-regulated Militia" (which at the time was basically the citizens)--protects an individual right. That right to protect self and family can be taken away for just cause (e.g., having committed a violent felony), but just cause does not include a politician's or appointee's whim that some folks who don't agree with views of the party in power are, for that reason, "dangerous." What's dangerous is the gradual erosion of various Bill of Rights freedoms which have been at the foundation of our nation.

Becky Lee

February 16, 2010, 12:58am (report abuse)

How can you folks even read the thing...I would like to make up my own mind about what the bill says;however, I cna't get past al the insert this and delete that. How can the average person read the bare bones of what is says?

NRA4EVER

February 16, 2010, 6:08pm (report abuse)

Me, I'm glad that they are going to try to take guns and explosives away from those damn towel-heads and negroes. Those people are dangerous and want to destroy the American way of life.

I say that the only people who should be allowed to have guns in this country are AMERICANS...meaning those of us who can trace our lineage back to the Founding Fathers or those who were citizens at the time of the Signing.

CommonsenseESQ

February 16, 2010, 6:21pm (report abuse)

Dear Roger David,

Exactly which of our "Bill of Rights Freedoms" are being "gradually eroded?" Name me one. One of them which is being eroded in any way.

The right to own a gun is not and has never been absolute in this country. Even SCOTUS has stated that. For example you can't own certain automatic weapons, grenade launchers, etc. Anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

This bill is an attempt by the government to give power to the executive branch under its appropriate policing powers. It will hopefully enable the executive to prevent the issuance of FEDERAL firearms licenses to person suspected of international or domestic terror activities. There will still be an appeal, which requires the government to meet the burden of proof.

You can still get a STATE firearms permit btw.

I agree with the comment supra (three above), your constant paranoia gets old real fast. The government isn't out to get you, rather it is charged with protecting ALL of us.

Mike in Baltimore

February 25, 2010, 7:21pm (report abuse)

This bill would usurp the 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. How could anyone authorize the AG to revoke a persons 2nd amd. right without due process, simply at the whim of the DOJ, and not have to show probably cause?

This bill is obviously aimed at Law abiding citizens of this country. Criminals and terrorists are not concerned with permits. END OF STORY!!!!!!!

RealCommonSense

February 26, 2010, 5:33am (report abuse)

To CommonsenseESQ,

I say to you that the second amendment has been gradually eroded and submit your statement as proof: "you can't own a certain automatic weapon, grenade launcher, etc." The 2nd amendment hasn't been absolute since the War Revenue Act of 1919. So, if you care to do your homework, you will find that our second amendment rights have been gradually eroded over the last 90 or so years through various legislation such as War Revenue Act (1919); National Firearms Act (1934); Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 (1968); Gun Control Act (1968); Firearms Owner's Protection Act (1986); Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (1993); Federal Assault Weapons Ban (1994) (now defunct); Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act (a.k.a Lautenberg Amendment) (1997) I'm still looking into Title 18 and 44 of the U.S. codes. You would think that with all these laws, our government would have this under control. YEAH, RIGHT!!!

RealCommonSense

February 26, 2010, 5:35am (report abuse)

DON'T we already have "policing agencies" for firearms, explosives and terrorism? What does the BATFE and the FBI do? Don't they chase illegal arms trade and investigate terrorism already? Oh wait, they only shoot the domestic terrorists like at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Maybe your think that the government knows best and that they will act with only the highest standards. Well, I don't share those views.

AND, why on earth would a person need to go through an appeals process when he hasn't been convicted of anything? I believe you are onto the start of trampling all over due process.

MAYBE your myopic view of our history can be clarified in the words of one of our forefathers: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin. So while you will forego an essential liberty for a supposed and temporary safety, you will end up with neither safety nor liberty in the end.

polarbear

March 27, 2010, 6:13am (report abuse)

If the sportspeople and gun owners do not act as one there will not be enough constitutional toilet paper to go around.

Denden101

(logged-in user) November 28, 2010, 7:15am (report abuse)

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

James Madison

Nancy Pelosi

December 5, 2010, 10:16am (report abuse)

If you're a tea partier, you're a

terrorist.

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/lexicon.pdf

Plain and simple.

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