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H.R. 1001, The Nursing Relief Act of 2009 (309 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits)
H.R. 1001 would create a new nonimmigrant visa category for registered nurses.
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NYRN
February 24, 2009, 3:53pm (report abuse)Stop hiring foreign nurses then America's health care delivery system will suffer immediately. Hire more foreign nurses then America will be relieved of health environment deficits. The Bill is only a temporary solution I believe in response to nursing undersupply. Wait for these home grown nurses to get ready for the job then hiring of international nurses will cease. But the question is: How long does America have to wait for their own American nurses? Please consider the aging population of the country. The country has been hiring nurses from the Philippines for the last 50 years. Why complain just now?
NYRN
February 24, 2009, 4:09pm (report abuse)I must say that some foreign nurses (like me) are not fluent in English but this does not mean that they are incompetent to face their duties. They (We) know Accountability and Responsibility. I do not believe that ones communication problem had led to the death of one patient. Nurses are trained to clarify orders. We are not "NOD and YES" type. We ask, and we refuse orders that we know will endanger the safety of our patients! We only act for the patient's best interest.
UK+US Nurse
February 24, 2009, 4:28pm (report abuse)One has noticed a Filipina nurse commiting a malpractice leading to death(?) of a patient. Has anyone noticed an American nurse commiting a drug error leading to fatal Ventricular Fibrillation? What I am saying here is, it is indeed unfair to specify ones foreign nurse's nationality for the purpose of debate or argument. Should we focus on the main context of the Bill?
Tina L
February 24, 2009, 4:31pm (report abuse)To some selfish American nurses: only because you are lucky to be born in this country, and you now strongly oppose any nursing relief act for foreign nurses due to your own financial interest, that is so mean. Have you ever thought about what a painful experiences it is for those foreign nurses who are educated in the U.S. They have the same type of nursing education as you have. They overcome insurmountable language and cultural barrier and survive the stressful nursing program. They may be well smarter than you and have higher GPA. Finally they are treated inhumanely and deprived the right to serve the sick Americans. Why? Simply because they were not born here! Think about what a nightmare you would feel if you are not allowed to work. Are this ethical and how much agony you exert to a capable nurse simply because she is not born here? If this is the America, I would say that America will sink to the bottom if they don't change their attitude and hostility toward the foreigners.
Tina L
February 24, 2009, 4:31pm (report abuse)Basically every American is immigrant or has ancestors who are immigrants, including your honored President Obama. Smart, hardworking, and capable immigrants continue to fuse creativity and vitality into America, and that was and should continue to be the way the America is, and that is the key measure to pull America out of the financial crisis.
Against JR's Comments
February 24, 2009, 4:54pm (report abuse)---JR: My vote on this is "NO" because we cannot afford to allow lowered standards of care.---
You think that if every nurse in America is American, the health care in the country will be perfectly OK and every individual will be receiving the highest possible nursing care? I doubt it. Where were the American nurses in the last God knows how many decades? You guys suddenly come out because of the recession and the stability of nursing profession at this time of crunches. But would you be here if the economy was at its peak success? Shame on you J R!
phD
February 24, 2009, 5:36pm (report abuse)yes to the bill... you americans need the helps of foreign nurses... all foreign nurses coming to US are cream of the crop... before having work permit... we undergo rigid academic test and english test for listening, reading, writing, and speaking in highest standard... sometimes we are better in spelling that you americans...
phD2
February 24, 2009, 6:09pm (report abuse)lets support the bill for the wellfare of american people... lets puts our differences and pride aside... lets focus on what this bill is all about... this bill is created to strengthen the health care delivery system of america.
Jane S
February 24, 2009, 6:30pm (report abuse)It is another day that I finally went to restroom at 5pm since 7am. Everyday is short of staff.
Shallow
February 25, 2009, 12:24am (report abuse)Can’t agree with the comment posted by JR. The current nursing
program is credentialed and training people good to work as a nurse.
Remember, every person passed the RN only indicate they meet the
basic requirement to work as a nurse. There’s still a long way before a new grads grow up to be an experience nurse. To judge good and bad simply by the language they speak is very impropriate and prejudiced. Let put it this way, how would you take care of a patient speaking foreign language if you don’t speak their language at all? Will you still be considered a good nurse? Or should you be considered poor service?
Shallow
February 25, 2009, 12:25am (report abuse)Back to the topic we discussed here, the current situation
is shortage of the nurse, not the quality of the service provide by
the nurse. The service is greatly affected by the nurse patient
ratio.
Shallow
February 25, 2009, 12:25am (report abuse)How would you guarantee the quality of service when you have
10 patients with one RN providing primary care? Only 6 minutes every
hour you have for one patient, not to mention patients need for bath,
turn, vital signs etc. I agree with the post by UK+US Nurse. People keep posting prejudicious comment to distract public view and get more applause. In reference to one of the comment posted by JR previously mentioning to get nurses in the pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies to come back and work with higher pay. Sure money talks, but still the comment stated a fact that the current working condition for nurses is suboptimal: high stress level, high risk of infection, poor working schedule, and lack of child care support for those working evening and night shift. Another thing is to think about already high rocketing insurance premium people have to pay to go to the hospital. Well, the hospital does pay your salary, but, where does the money eventually come from?
Jnovem
February 25, 2009, 4:34am (report abuse)@the topic mates...
we wish to come there and work under the US nursing system not only for our dream but to serve the people of US whole heartedly with our best ability in nursing..
Hon'ble congressmen, Please pass the bills required for this including last year's undiscussed HR5924
May God bless all
R N
February 25, 2009, 5:17am (report abuse)Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA), it is illegal to discriminate in any aspect of employment, including: hiring and firing;
Title VII prohibits not only intentional discrimination, but also practices that have the effect of discriminating against individuals because of their race, color, national origin, religion, or sex.
It is illegal to discriminate against an individual because of birthplace, ancestry, culture, or linguistic characteristics common to a specific ethnic group.
Reference source available at:
http://www.eeoc.gov/abouteeo/overview_practices.html
Last accessed Feb 25th, 2009
mantalinga island UK
February 25, 2009, 7:05am (report abuse)There are thousands of highly skilled, hardworking,experienced, educated nurses in the PHILIPPINES which have been waiting for ages to come over and help AMERICA!If economy becomes better, this is something you might want to consider again...MABUHAY!!
Pass it For U.S Educated foreign Nurse
February 25, 2009, 11:07am (report abuse)Congress man you should pass this bill for U.S educated Foreign Nurse. Thanks!! And please discuss HR 5924 again.
MJ
February 25, 2009, 6:48pm (report abuse)support
Cherry
February 26, 2009, 12:29am (report abuse)I am not a nurse, but I don't think that we have to import lots of international nurse, because some of my friends told me it is not easy for a new graduate to found a nurse job now due to the bad economy. So, I against it!
R N
February 26, 2009, 12:55am (report abuse)the HR1001 will not solve the problem without passing of HR5924 due to lack of providing the legal residential status. The discussion of HR1001 is a Waste of time and effort from congressman and tax payer's money, when eventually HR5924 has to be introduced to solve the legal residential problem.
Please introduce HR5924 instead.
People came here to help and cure. They pay the taxes, they share the same idea of freedom, they hold the same moral and ethical standard and try to live a peaceful life with their career working as a angel. They too feel the sore from the economy, and feel the pain when people suffer. Why have to deprive their right of residency?
We made a mistake before by taking away filipino veteran's citizenship away after WWII, don't make the same mistake again.
resource: http://www.thatminoritything.com/?p=153019
Last accessed: Feb 26 2009 0049
hopefulforever
February 26, 2009, 7:41am (report abuse)Hon'ble congressmen,
Please reintroduce last years 'undiscussed' HR5924 emergency nurse supply bill and vote yes asap...
To Cherry
February 26, 2009, 10:32am (report abuse)I know you are not American... LOL.. Tell your friends, they shouldn't just focuse their job opportunities in big cities. You don't know how shortage really are in other areas. Nurses get paid double time every day... That is a lot of money from hospital.
Ran
February 27, 2009, 1:16pm (report abuse)To Cherry: Can you send me some info about the hospitals you mentioned about abanduance of overtime opportunity.
Ran
February 27, 2009, 1:27pm (report abuse)To cherry: I forget to write down my email: fulairan@yahoo.com
EM
February 28, 2009, 4:53am (report abuse)If the "powers that be" would take the money they are spending to bring in nurses from third world countries that desperately need those nurses and improve the working conditions for nurses here, we wouldn't need foreign nurses.
prt0414
(logged in user) February 28, 2009, 10:40am (report abuse)I have been a nurse for 30 years and have seen many changes in the profession. I have my opinion of what changes are needed,it would take mmore room that I have here. But, believe me, no one change could possibly solve the problem. If there is anyone out there who thinks that all you need is a kind heart to be a nurse-you have no idea of the responsibilities that nurses have. A kind heart is only the start-you better also have a sharp mind and strong back and GOOD communications skills. If one does not, it is only a matter of time before a life-threatening mistake is made. Congressmen,think long and hard on this before you make a determination that would effect millions of lives. With the unemployment rate at the highest level since the great depression, surely, we can come up with a way to train American people to fill these jobs and put money back into our economy, unstead of sending it overseas to the families of these nurses. Our families need it here.
RE:Prt0414
February 28, 2009, 4:10pm (report abuse)I think you are a selfish American nurse... Do you know how much we as foreigner have paid for this country?? We paid international student tution fee which costs about $20,000 per year.. We pay tax and don't get benefits as you American do.. When we graduate, we don't have a working visa to work... America sure has changed.. There is no fairness any more. most because of selfish people and selfish nurses like you.....
NK
February 28, 2009, 4:33pm (report abuse)i disagree with Jr,he mighthave come across a guest worker from south america who is not RN but just a helper to nurse in hospital,and the foriegn nurses are made to pass the qualifying exams like CGFNS and TOEFL/IELTS to practice nursing in US and its not an easy task for ordinary people, so definately a good bunch of people who are qualified enough will get the chance to work so the chances of blunders from them are bleak, forget ego US is a nation made by immigrants no one is truely native except redindians, US is one of the great nations which respects work, its the land of oppurtunity, one must be ready to accept the fact that US is facing absolute shortage of nurses which cant be rectified till 2012 inspite of any action even if it is taken from today, mind that care to the OLD and SICK is as good as or more than taking care of jobless Americans ! comeon dear fellows leave the prejudice behind and accept the facts. Hon'ble congressmen please vote for the good cause say Yes!
OBAMA
February 28, 2009, 4:48pm (report abuse)The inevitable shortage affecting the old and sick is surely a serious issue and must be looked after, after all the salaries we pay nurses is not a major issue and there are not enough nurses and people are not opting to take the profession as needs lot of patience and commitment as well as dedication, its better that we vote for the bill and fulfill the gap, lets not speak about business when it comes to service especially health care where a lot of americans are suffering due to the acute shortage of the staff. we are here to change, we need change we want things which help our nation stabilise and we need to save the ones who are suffering, we need to adress towards the ones who are morbid who inturn drag the productivity down unless immediate attention is paid to wards them. we must grow and build the nation strong we must lead the world once again. We are the super Power and We will be.
Nurse525
February 28, 2009, 11:23pm (report abuse)ACCESS THIS LINK TO READ MORE ON THE DEC 5, 2008 MEMO FROM THE USCIS OMBUDSMAN on the critical level of the nursing shortage:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cisomb_ead_recommendation_36.pdf
The shortage of RNs and an increased workload for current nurses is a threat to the quality of patient care. Looking at the impact of nurse staffing and how it relates to patient care, the American Association of Colleges of Nurses reported that an increase in RNs contributed to a decrease in hospital-related mortality and reduced lengths of patient stays, whereas inadequate staffing was reported to compromise patient safety.
.....warning that the shortage could result in serious national security and health concerns if there is a pandemic flu or other man-made or natural disaster, and the United States does not have adequate health care resources to respond....
BE INFORMED about the FACTS before you react.
Jnovem
March 1, 2009, 3:43am (report abuse)ACCESS THIS LINK TO READ MORE ON THE DEC 5, 2008 MEMO FROM THE USCIS OMBUDSMAN on the critical level of the nursing shortage:
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/cisomb_ead_recommendation_36.pdf
prt0414
(logged in user) March 1, 2009, 6:07am (report abuse)In answer to the charge that I am a SELFISH
prt0414
(logged in user) March 1, 2009, 6:07am (report abuse)iN ANSWER TO THE CHARGE IF BEING sef
prt0414
(logged in user) March 1, 2009, 6:27am (report abuse)In answer to the charge of being selfish. I have sacrificed my vacation and paid my own money to do medical missionary in other countries,such as the Philipines (where I suspect REper0414 is from.) The state of health care there is so dismal that the people kissed our hands for coming to help. We worked 12-14 hours a day to try to help these poor people. Yet, you are trying to work in american hospitals when your own country needs you so desperatly. Why? Because you can make much more money here. And you have the nerve to call me selfish. Our country is now in a state of econimic CRISES. It is going to get worst. Now, we must find ways to get Americans, who are loosing their homes and can not feed thier kids, jobs. The field of nursing has jobs that may keep American off the streets. We need to open more schools,make them affortable and train our American people.This is not selfish-this is patriotic. The tone of belligerence and entitlement in you post speaks volumes.
janevior
March 1, 2009, 11:02am (report abuse)the country has already put enormous amounts of money into enhancing nursing edcation and pay raise. considering the imminent population aging process and the high turnover rate among the home nursing staff, introducing quality RNs will prove to be a wise move. as for their competence in speaking or understanding english,strict but proper standards should be established. we should not let our doubts about their language ability become an obstacle preventing us and our aged parents from getting decent and adequate nursing care
Melissa
(logged in user) March 1, 2009, 6:21pm (report abuse)Another co-worker left, see her email:
Thank you for your well wishes. I was pushed too far by the inadequate staffing, unsafe practices we were required to do and management not doing anything about it weekend after weekend. I chose to have my life back and not live with that type of stress. When I go all day and not be able to eat or even go to the bathroom, then it is too much for me.
I don't have another job. I am just staying with the ones I already have. I hope I don't have to come back to bedside nursing again and that depends on how things go with me in the next few months.
Jnovm
March 2, 2009, 4:14am (report abuse)Hon'ble congressmen,
please re introduce the undiscussed HR 5924-110
charles
March 2, 2009, 1:24pm (report abuse)who says that we dont need nurses are the ones who are narrow minded and who lack general knowledge,plus some racists to certain extent!Health care in america is suffering due to acute shortage, it is affecting the work force the ones who are falling sick, if their hospital stay is brought down the expenses would definately come down, as well as the person would attend to his duties with less loss of his pay. so we must think wise before act.its immaturity to speak about the unemployment when there are no population trained or willing to get trained in nursing because of the risk reward ratio is too wide.
dear congressman please take things in broaderway and vote for YES - we need RNs very badly doesnt matter where they are from as long as they are trained and skilled enough.
John1
March 2, 2009, 3:20pm (report abuse)Please introduce HR 5924 and do not approve this will.
Ozzy
March 2, 2009, 6:12pm (report abuse)It is about time for the congress to work on this terrible issue that is affecting millions of Americans, and the future of this country. For those of you who oppose to this or any bill, you should go to visit a hospital and look at how terrible the nursing shortage is. Let U.S. educated foreign nurses work in this country. We have learned American standards of care, and passed all the rigourous tests that are required to become a Registered Professional Nurse. The only obstacle is a plastic card that says "you're allowed to work." How terrible is that!
RE:prt0414
March 5, 2009, 2:57pm (report abuse)Now that America is in recession, you are commenting foreign nurses in America to give way to those Americans!? How ridiculous! Where were the rest of the American nurses during the time the country needed them? Because American nurses chose to do other field of work for better living, America imported foreign nurses as a response to the country's deficit of nurses. Sure the country can wait for its home grown nurses, but for how long? (Read the comment of NYRN!). Anyway, you have been to other country where health is deprived, isn't more patriotic to help those Americans in a rural area for their nursing needs? I thought it was!
Mettaa
March 5, 2009, 3:50pm (report abuse)It is true that America should increase and train American born nurses to serve their own people in the future. But the shortage is an emergence. With the working condition that nurses are facing right now, no matter how many American nurses are trained and recruited, they will quit and leave the field soon. The poor retention rate is due to the shortage that lends poor working condition. America needs help from outsource, unarguably. Communication problem is very personal. Look at American born doctors who write ineligibly. Foreigners are here to help relief the needs that American cannot meet moment. There is no need to worry that foreigners will take place for the jobs. The need is so great.
Olga
March 5, 2009, 9:35pm (report abuse)Aamericans accept nurses wherever they come from. There is no bias among people from different countries.
Joseph
March 5, 2009, 9:47pm (report abuse)Everyone should have right to work.Please pass the bill and allow these foreigners make contribution.
Golf
March 6, 2009, 12:27am (report abuse)I just think that the americans that really are worried about losing a job for a foreign should just be worried about being qualified for a job such as nursing. If americans were willing to go through all the training the same way most of the foreign do, it wouldn't be a problem so instead of wasting time trying to prove that foreign people are stealing jobs like nursing from American, they should go to the book and try to get the qualification that most of the foreign get by going to nurse school.
This comment goes for all not educated Americans that has not a clue of what is going on with health care in America.
NOTE: There are LOTS of well qualified American nurse out there BUT that is not what this bill is about.
Concerned
March 8, 2009, 5:53pm (report abuse)I think that what some people opposed to this bill is concerned about regarding the language is not specifically being able to speak and/or write English. It is the grasp of the meaning of the English language. Cultures vary, sometimes drastically. What one word means to an American can mean something entirely different to someone from another culture. Throwing in slang or other derivatives can alter the understanding. This has caused confusion in care. Not that foreign students are ill-equipped in the practice of medicine. They have been well-trained and can perform as well as any other well-trained individual. The underlying issue lies in intent some of the time. Communication is paramount when providing life-altering/sustaining care. If there is uncertainty regarding intent life altering mistakes (though not intentional on the part of the foreign nurse) can be made. Regardless if this bill is passed or not, this is still an underlying issue.
Re; Concern
March 9, 2009, 12:02am (report abuse)It wouldn't be a concern if this bill is only for foreign nurses who were educated in the U.S.
cyb
March 9, 2009, 11:41pm (report abuse)all in all, america need nurses this time to cover the present needs. When you're all good enough to produce your own nurses, then stop hiring and discard this bill. For now , pass this bill to cover the needs. Hire me, hehehe.
Hire Americans First!
March 10, 2009, 12:43am (report abuse)I certainly hope this bill will be defeated. If there is a shortage of nurses, train more Americans. Even in the training programs currently available, it is almost impossible to gain entry. If more teachers are needed, hire more teachers. We do not need foreign labor when we have so many of our own out of work. I also have a problem with foreign nurses being trained in America and allowed to take American jobs. First priority for education and employment should ALWAYS be given to American born citizens. Period. It's pretty obvious that many posting here are foreigners - pretty obvious from the way their messages are written.
immigrant
March 10, 2009, 8:46am (report abuse)american born citizens are not usually into nursing, i will be surprise and happy should there be more US born citizens enrolling in schools where there are no available rooms and teachers. Good Luck to US citizens who will be understaffed with care
Singh
March 10, 2009, 1:18pm (report abuse)This bill should at least be passed for US educated professionals. I got my BSN and cleared my NCLEX but I can't get a job even though there is a shortage of RNs.
Re: Hire American first
March 10, 2009, 1:45pm (report abuse)haha, good luck with that. We need more programs, more teachers, more resources... I hope you could find a way to solve it in a timely manner.
Heather G.
March 10, 2009, 1:46pm (report abuse)We do not need foreign nurses - we need to give American students greater access to health care education. I am a college student, and completed my pre-requisites for nursing school more than two years ago with a 3.8 GPA - yet I am still waiting to get in to school! Why? Because there is a three and a half year waitlist for the nursing program! Simply put, my state pays RNs around $15 to do teach in the program, and most RNs can make much more than that doing regular nursing. Why should they take a pay cut to teach? There is a shortage of teachers for us, which means that only a few spots open up each year, and the rest of us are waitlisted for years on end. What we need is an increase in funding for nursing programs, to draw more teachers in to the program and allow the school to graduate enough nurses to meet demand. There are A LOT of us waiting. We do not need to be outsourcing these jobs, we need to give Americans the opportunity to receive the necessary training to fill them.
Concerned
March 10, 2009, 3:20pm (report abuse)Re; ConcernMarch 9, 2009, 12:02am It wouldn't be a concern if this bill is only for foreign nurses who were educated in the U.S.
Just because an individual has been educated in the U.S. does not mean that they have a total grasp of the differences the language can present.Example:terminology is altered based upon locales and regions one lives/grew up in. There are times when speaking to an Eastener I have to really pay attention to the choice of words and the intent behind them. The same words can be used in a different region and mean something entirely different.When working in some inner cities I find the meaning behind common words are far different.This calls for an accurate understanding of the cultures and not just the language. I was born, raised and educated in the United States and I can still have problems understanding the intent of words based upon what part of the country I may be in at the time. I know a lot of American educated people and they struggle with this
EPM
March 10, 2009, 8:01pm (report abuse)I am currently a nursing student and right now, I'm worried about this bill because what about us nursing students in school right now, they'll give away our future jobs to foreigners who will probably require less salary, who do you think the hospitals will hire and keep? They'll keep the foreign nurses instead of hiring new nursing U.S. graduates. Will I and my classmates find a nursing job when we graduate and get our license??? We are struggling in this economy, we're all trying to get through nursing school even though some of us can't even get a student loan anymore, but we're hanging in there and we're hoping there'll be jobs for us when we graduate.
Re: EPM
March 10, 2009, 11:14pm (report abuse)There is nothing that you should be worrying about when you graduate from nursing school. You will find a job. Those of you who cannot find a job as a RN are either looking in wrong places or demand too much. There will be and there are THOUSANDS of job opportunities for nurses. Foreigners do not represent the vast majority of the nurse population. They in fact, just like the rest of the US population, are a MINORITY! This bill must be passed because it is just unfair for those who have waited many years, and spent thousands of dollars to immigrate to the USA. It is about time for the US to comply with their side of the contract because immigrating here is not free. It represents money taken away from these nurses which, by the way, create AMERICAN JOBS, thus giving more job opportunities in the US. Why so many of you are resistant and narrow-minded to a foreign nurse? Are you afraid of the difference? You should be ashamed of yourselves. YES TO THIS BILL!
jopaps
March 11, 2009, 12:45am (report abuse)SAY "YES" TO THE BILL!!!
jopaps
March 11, 2009, 12:47am (report abuse)AMERICA NEEDS FOREIGN NURSES BADLY,SAY YES TO THE BILL!!!
MARY1978
March 11, 2009, 12:50am (report abuse)IM AN AMERICAN,PLEASE STOP DESCRIMINATION,WE REALLY NEED FOREIGN NURSES...
Frank Mc
March 12, 2009, 9:55am (report abuse)In the Philadelphia area nurses are being layed off ! The work load of the remaining nurses has been increased in some cases as much as 50%. Say no to this bill, it is being used to cut the pay of nurses. The H1B visa for hitech jobs has worked so well that it has droped the income of hiteck workers by 40 - 50 %. The exporting of jobs from this country is killing it , right now many hospital and health care facilities send YOUR x-rays and other diagonistic test over seas to middle east and far east countries to be read . Good lock to all
O
March 12, 2009, 6:43pm (report abuse)My questions is to all of you: Where are you going to the the nurses grom? Out of a magic hat perhaps? Be realistic people, thousands of people will need to be taken care of in the next years. Nurses in the US don't fulfill the required demand of nurses. We must get qualified nurses to help with this issue. There are thousands of U.S.educated foreign nurses, with them a green card for God's sakes! We need nurses now!
fx
March 13, 2009, 12:56pm (report abuse)The US nursing schools are full , plenty of nurses are on the way for the future of health care .
If you foreign born ,rasied ,and educated and are here with no work visas then why are you still here? isnt that aginst the law? A law breaking nurse we dont need . Is there no need for nurses in the country you came from? Or are you just here for the money? Well look around and read the news ,the money is drying up here. Also stop posting here from other countries ( your use of the language is laughable ! )We need thease jobs for our children that are in school now .
TO FX
March 13, 2009, 8:37pm (report abuse)That's ironic because we were just talking about the US' lack of Nursing faculty members. Americans who are trying to get to Nursing schools are being turned down because of manpower undersupply in every school of nursing. Also, nurses who are already here in the US are legal and either a holder of Green Card or Working Visa. The State Board of Nursing never allow foreign nurses to take NCLEX without the Visa. You do not know what you are talking about.I suggest you read all the comments first before posting lazy comments here. MONEY? That's not all about it mate! We are also here to see the beauty of your country. But not the beauty of people like you. LANGUAGE? We maybe lacking of perfect grammar but we do know what we are doing in the hospital setting. If you feel that the US gov't. is depriving you Americans (like you) of the job, why react just now? Is it because of the stability of nursing profession in the middle of the crunches? Well spotted! Now you want to steal it!
TO FX
March 14, 2009, 9:45am (report abuse)are you insane!when the economy of america was stable,where were you american nurses?everybodys in an office job,because ,american dont like to clean the ass of their fellow americans...shame on you!
TO FX
March 14, 2009, 9:48am (report abuse)my friend,it is better for you to keep your mouth shut,coz america will fall if all american people will be same with your thinking....
TO FX
March 14, 2009, 9:54am (report abuse)yes my friend,evrybody is here for the money.same as you worrying so much about us foreign nurses because you dont want to loss your job coz of money,RYT?so, stop cring,we are all the same.......
to fx
March 14, 2009, 3:27pm (report abuse)Shame on you for being an Amercian. Your English sucks!!
TO FX
March 14, 2009, 3:28pm (report abuse)Forget to mention that you are really lack of knowledge.
j. dAWSON
March 14, 2009, 8:22pm (report abuse)While I admire those who wish to come to the U.S. to work, I also feel that our priority should be to increase enrollment at American schools and give AMERICANS a chance to go to nursing schools first, before we import more illegal immigrants to do the job. One forgets that these nurses may bring with them untold numbers of family members, already adding to the burden that illegal immigration has put on this country. Here we're in an economic crisis where millions of Americans are out of work, yet we're in such a hurry to give jobs away to foreign workers? This does NOT compute. Thousands are turned away from nursing schools, and just exactly what could hospitals do to open nursing up to anyone willing to enter the field? Bring back the diploma programs -- anything to give jobs to Americans FIRST!!
fx
March 14, 2009, 11:51pm (report abuse)stay in your own countries or go back to them I don\'t care we don\'t need you here but your more then welcome to visit . don\'t they need nurses where you come from? Look how well the H1B visas worked here !
lol yea you came here took American jobs for a cheap wage , ( thanks Bill Gates ) and when things got slow the Americans lost there jobs , and he kept the low price imports ! yea way to go !
the whole world comes here or asks for money or food when things are tough , they show no apppreciation for the help only hate and distaine , well you can all KMA our kids need our jobs and we are keeping our money for them ! Every time we needed support from you all you did is protest and show your hate for us . So enjoy the fruits of your labor.We have sent our children all over the world from WW1 tru now (with more wars then can can be counted )Just to have you burn our falg . So stop milking this cow and reap what you have sown.
fx
March 14, 2009, 11:54pm (report abuse)LOL flag sorry was late
Goodday
March 15, 2009, 5:13am (report abuse)IT and Nursing are two different areanas I guess, so dont compare IT H1Bs and nurse visa seekers...
People who wanted to come there wanted to spend their remaining life there in all means..
Say Yes to the bill
wolf
March 15, 2009, 5:29am (report abuse)anyway, the west is gong down the drain especially the USA and it is about time to look east than west, I predict in ten years time the tide will turn east. Look at what's happening in america and europe they are all in negative growth while the east although slowing down is still year on year. Sooner or later we will start seeing people from the west emigrating to the east.... Check that out, mates!
wolfe
March 15, 2009, 5:58am (report abuse)Check this out, mates: The next big thing is in Australsia and the Middle east.
What\'s happening now is that the world is realigning itself to new emerging powers hence we are all experiencing all these fuss in the financial, banking and the global economy as a whole. The west have basically dug their graves right under their feet while the east have basically have worked their way up through the years. While the west was consuming and spoiling, the east was basically working hard and saving. Look who\'s got all the money in the world now ironically its not in the west, its debt ridden. One day these debts has to be repaid. That\'s the sad truth, I\'m afraid! So please to all foreign nurses feeling low and depressed about the current US immigration and recession, surely there are other much greener opportunities out there. Just a bit of advice: try looking east!!!
God Bless us all!
Re: FX
March 15, 2009, 2:08pm (report abuse)Dear God FX, watch your mouth and your grammar before you post anything here. From your comments I could immediately tell that you are an ignorant when it comes down to Nursing Shortage. Please read the figures of how badly the lack of nurses will affect the US. Fortunately for Americans they can always rely on foreigners to do the dirty work. Isn't that they American Way? If legal foreigners come to this country is because they comply with all requisites needed to be here. I know that there are many Americans who want to study Nursing. Where are you going to get faculty from? Please be thoughtful about your comments because they truly show the disgrace of some narrow-minded, fearful, and ignorant Americans. America and their people are extremely respected and valued among foreigners. But because of people like you, it perhaps make them think differently. YES TO THIS BILL!
Jennifer Hoyt
March 15, 2009, 4:10pm (report abuse)How about reducing patient ratios and respecting nurses so you can retain the American nurses that have not renewed their liscenses as hospitals see nurses as huge expenses and not the great assets they are to patient care. We don't need forgein nurses driving down American nurse's bargaining power for better work conditions. Those of you who had horrible experiences in American hospitals there are American nurses to fill that need but many walk away from the unsafe staffing ratios at American hospitals. If you treat a nurse well and give her a managable amount of patients, you would be surprised how many nurses would return to nursing. There is not a shortage of nurses, there is a shortage of nurses that can be abused by hospital systems.
Julie
March 15, 2009, 6:11pm (report abuse)There is a shortage of American nurses also due to the foreigners taking up space in nursing school. As seen by the comments above. The space taken up by foreigners decreases the space available to American nursing students. If foreigners are having such a hard time getting visas to work, why are they allowed to study? Why are Americans having a two to three year wait list to get into school? It is because alot of foreigners are being educated who cannot get jobs. New American nursing grads are having difficulty getting jobs. There is not an overwhelming need for foreign nurses. There is a need for Americans to be educated and placed into the workforce.
g nurse
March 15, 2009, 6:51pm (report abuse)I am a nurse from Canada. I have been working in the U.S for 2 years. I can tell you that I speak english as well as anyone since it is my primary language and it seems better than many who are posting. The shortage is all over north america. I have run into more people here that are difficult to understand because of their accents than any time in my career.(20 yrs.)It is a true problem. Graduate nurses like in any profession have to start out somewhere and all hospitals do not have positions for them. Do you want a brand new nurse looking after you in ICU without proper mentorship?
Without this bill qualified nurses will not come or stay because it is financially to hard to have your spouse unable to work for 3-5 yrs, which is about the current wait for a green card that will allow your spouse to work.
Where I work there is a need for experienced nurses to work in a variety of critical care areas. Without this bill you may find the care you need not available.
Re: Julie
March 15, 2009, 7:23pm (report abuse)Foreign students like any other Nursing Student have to go through the same process in order to graduate from an American College. If there are foreigners capable of graduating from a Nursing School, let it be and welcome them to be a part of the US work force. That shows you that foreigners are as capable as an American to be a nurse. Waiting lists in Nursing Schools are very common. Only students with a high GPA can enter nursing school. Also, if you're studious enough, and capable enough you can graduate from Nursing School. Nursing is not easy. My point is that just because a person has a different country of origin doesn't mean that he or she are not able to be a Registered Professional Nurse. Why don't you enroll in nursing school, and tell me how hard it is? Or perhaps tell me how smart and capable many of your foreign classmates are?
Re: Jennifer Hoyt
March 15, 2009, 7:32pm (report abuse)Right. Where are you going the get the nurses from to reduce the patient-nurse ratio? A magic hat perhaps? Many nurses leave bed-side nursing because it is incredibly demanding, and look for better opportunities with a better income. Wouldn't you? So those vacancies left in hospitals will be fulfilled by who? Foreign nurses are only ONE part of the solution, and not THE solution to the US Nursing Shortage. This bill will help provide immediate solutions to the demand of nurses, and give time to fulfill the nursing shortage with American Nurses.
who are the real Americans?
March 16, 2009, 2:45am (report abuse)Hire Americans First:
"If there is a shortage of nurses, train more Americans"--it's not a question of who should get the job- US-born or non-US born.
The question is--who wants the job. no matter what country you came from, if nursing is not in your heart, you won't live long enough in the field. NO sense educating Americans to be nurses if they don't love being a nurse in the First place. Besides, Nursing isn't just a Profession, it's a way of life!