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S. 2338, The FHA Modernization Act of 2007 (375 comments ↓ | 5 wiki edits)
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An original bill to modernize and update the National Housing Act and enable the Federal Housing Administration to more effectively reach underserved borrowers.
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John
April 14, 2008, 4:00pm (report abuse)04/14/2008 The FHA Modernization Bill is now part of the Foreclosure Prevention Act which was passed in the Senate on April 10th. The House and the President oppose key parts of the Senate measure (not the FHA Modernization portion). They feel that builders are getting to much help and people facing foreclosure are not getting enough. They plan on correcting that imbalance. House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank says that by April 23-24th his panel will consider the plan. The FHA portion of this bill is about the only thing that all sides agree on. The last two issues, loan limit and down payment have been resolved. I now believe that the FHA Modernization Bill should never have been made a part of this foreclosure bill. It will pass in the next few weeks. There is lots of pressure on all sides to delay it much longer.
Robert
April 14, 2008, 4:45pm (report abuse)04/14/08 Dear John, Allright we have FHA Modernization "stuck" in HR3221. Why can't go back to HR1852 and S.2338, pull the "final agreement" out of conference committee and give it to Bush to sign. Once the President signs, S.Amd. 4387 can be dropped from the contentious HR3221 which could easily self-destruct anyway.
John
April 14, 2008, 6:27pm (report abuse)Robert, Today President Bush asked that Congress send him the FHA & GSE Reform Bills (three times) in his speech. It's unlikely that FHA Modernization would be stripped from the Foreclosure Prevention Bill now. But it sure would be nice.
Jim
April 17, 2008, 9:40am (report abuse)Fyi…..
NRMLA Washington Update: March 2008
March 11, 2008
FHA Modernization Legislation Moving
NRMLA has learned that lawmakers have negotiated a final version of the FHA Modernization bill (HR 1852, S 2338) that retains many important reverse mortgage reforms.
Once a bill is formally adopted by the Conference Committee, it will be sent to both chambers of Congress for approval before its sent to the President for his signature.
Robert
April 17, 2008, 1:07pm (report abuse)04/17/08 Jim, it would nice to be able to turn the clock back. But as John and I understand it, the FHA Modernization is stuck in HR3221. All this occurred after March 11th. Read exchanges previous to yours.
BILL
April 17, 2008, 1:57pm (report abuse)JOHN:
I dont know if I have ever been on a roller coaster ride (with out the
thrills ) like this FHA modrnization bill .. would you please advise . what do you know think of HR 3221 now passing into law !!! ???
THANK YOU ....
Jim
April 18, 2008, 12:02pm (report abuse)I have passed on information recevied from the National Reverse Mortgage Lenders Association. I have to assume that they know what is going on.
Check their website. thanks
John
April 18, 2008, 1:53pm (report abuse)Jim: The info from NRMLA is old news. I get periodic updates from them myself. Sometimes they are wrong. I cross check their info with many other sources. Next week April 23-24th Barney Franks House Finance Chairman will hold hearings on S3221. It will get passed soon.
John
April 18, 2008, 4:00pm (report abuse)Correction: Barney Frank hearing on HR3221 Foreclosure Prevention Act of 2008 not S3221, which includes S2338 FHA Modernization Act 2008.
Jo Ann
April 18, 2008, 6:56pm (report abuse)I realize no one has a crystal ball, but does anyone know that if HR3221 is passed - signed into law - how long does it take for HUD to implement the provisions pertaining to HECMs?
I am on the brink of having to decide whether or not to close on a HECM 100 OR wait for higher limits (a higher loan amount) plus perhaps other beneficial changes.
A real dilemma! Would it be worth it for me to give up a 1.0 margin and have to settle for a 1.5 in order to obtain more money?
ANY help from the experts most welcome!
John
April 20, 2008, 4:10pm (report abuse)Jo Ann: The way Congress is going and the fact that HUD has to do it's thing afterwards I'd say you are five to seven weeks away to be able to fund a Hecm at the new loan limits. Also the HECM 100 is already a thing of the past. Verify if it is still available. CW and FF no longer offer the 1.00 margin. The one benefit of closing now is that home values are coming down.
Jo Ann
April 20, 2008, 5:41pm (report abuse)Thanks, John.
I appreciate your response.
I'll hvae to decide quickly!
Robert
April 21, 2008, 1:14pm (report abuse)04/21/08 Dear Jo Ann, only B of A still offers the HECM 100. After 4/24 they will no longer accept that product. Fund it as a HECM150 asap--a bird in the hand is better than one in the bush!
Johnny Blazzze
April 23, 2008, 4:30pm (report abuse)Hi, I am running out of hope that the FHA Modernization bill will ever get passed. Please let me know if this bill really is moving. Thanks
Jim
April 23, 2008, 8:29pm (report abuse)Hi Johnny you are truly a voice in the wilderness.
I am thru trying to figure this on out..I give up!!!
BILL
April 24, 2008, 5:01pm (report abuse)424
JOHN: Do you know if Barney Franks
has held hearings this week on
S3221
THANK YOU !
John
April 24, 2008, 7:00pm (report abuse)Bill, Franks held hearings on a mark up bill HR5830 on foreclosure assistance. I believe he might want to see if he can get more support to attach it to HR3221 Foreclosure Prevention Act which includes S2338 FHA Modernization. Have not found any mention of conference committee on this bill. I wrote both Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank's office to not mess up things by adding to it. Everybody needs to write them.
BILL
April 24, 2008, 9:58pm (report abuse)JOHN:
Thank You for the reply, I will
write to both as you have indicated..
PLEASE keep the updates coming ..
Jo Ann
May 4, 2008, 11:21am (report abuse)Am I correct that HR5830 passed the House? Next? and is the part re: RM loan limits still in there? Anyone know? So many questions!
chidembo
May 7, 2008, 3:06am (report abuse)Yah! Everyone is mum about Reverse mortgage legislation nowadays. Where is rh3221? Does anyone know up to date news about the FHA Mod. Act which includes Reverse Mortgage? Thanks.
Jim
May 8, 2008, 9:54am (report abuse)I believe that the bill which passed the Senate yesterday contains most of the provisions of the original S2338. Go to http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-3221 and see sec122. I do not see increase in county limit
John
May 8, 2008, 2:47pm (report abuse)05/08/2008 FHA Modernization is not finalized. In the House debate this week in HR3221 Foreclosure Prevention Act, Barney Frank is proposing that the temporary limits be made permanent and that the single national limit for Hecm reverse mortgages be $550,000.
Easier to read
May 8, 2008, 3:23pm (report abuse)Just click on the "read the bill" link above to see the actual copy of the bill from Congress.
John
May 8, 2008, 8:05pm (report abuse)HR3221 passed in the House today with Barney Frank and Maxine Waters foreclosure bills. Now some behind the scenes negotiations with the Senate and White House over these additions before it goes back to the Senate for a vote. Hopefully they compromise and we put this FHA reform bill to rest.
BILL
May 8, 2008, 10:08pm (report abuse)5 8 8
John Thank You once again for your
concise update ,(as always ) ..
please continue with any further
news ..
Betty
May 13, 2008, 7:27am (report abuse)The Government certainly does not understand. Our families will be financially ruined. The Government needs to act on this bill.
John
May 13, 2008, 3:10pm (report abuse)05/13/2008 Today I read that on Thursday Chris Dodd in the Senate will bring up the FHA foreclosure and GSE reform bills for mark up. This time around Republican minority leader of the banking committee Senator Shelby is "the road blocker". Without White House intervention this guy could stall the FHA Modernization. Please call his office and let him know how you feel about this issue.
Robert
May 14, 2008, 3:59pm (report abuse)5/14/08 Can someone explain this to me? Bush wants FHA Modernization and has asked for the bill in public speeches numerous times. Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd want FHA Modernization. Most Republicans seem to want it viz. HR 1852 (last year). THEN WHY DON'T WE HAVE A LAW? Barney Frank takes his Foreclosure Prevention measure and attaches to it FHA Modernization and GSE Reform and, in effect, dares Bush to veto it. Rome is burning and Congress is fiddling and pointing fingers. System gridlock is killing FHA Modernization. It makes one dream of a more efficient SYSTEM!
bennettjohn
May 14, 2008, 9:06pm (report abuse)it was interesting to see you use the rome burning, nero fiddling metaphor, robert. i used the same one in my email today to sen. shelby as john, our fearless leader, requested. i hope hundreds of folks joined me in letting him know thousands of seniors are waiting for a national FHA limit.
Jo Ann
May 15, 2008, 12:04pm (report abuse)I wrote to Senator Shelby regarding how important this legislation is to everyone and to me - a senior waiting for FHA raised loan limits.
Reminded him of elections and the grey vote.
BrianF
May 16, 2008, 3:16pm (report abuse)I'd still like to hear your thoughts out there. If Bush vetoes, as he's threatened, what are the next steps?
Robert
May 17, 2008, 12:24pm (report abuse)Is FHA Modernization in the Dodd-Shelby compromise or not? 5/17/08
Jo Ann
May 21, 2008, 10:26am (report abuse)5-21-08 Let's hope the FHA Mod is still included!
Why so many bills are combined makes no sense and it really jeopardizes indivisual bills when there is a difference of opinion.
Does anyone know if HR3221 is still in there for sure?
John
May 21, 2008, 4:17pm (report abuse)Yes, FHA Modernization and the GSE Reform are the plums the Dems know the White House and the Republican minority want passed. The other parts of this massive bill are there to grudgingly get them to sigh off on. Senator Shelby is finally on board with some minor adjustments on the House version of the bill. Next full Senate vote then back to conference with the House. Hopefully to the President for signature by July.
Carrie
May 23, 2008, 8:27pm (report abuse)Hopefully to the President for signature by July? Didn't we hear "hopefully to the President for signature by December, by January, February, March ..."? How many seniors have lost their homes in the meantime? How many could have stayed in their homes if they had the money to do the renovations needed to make it safe for them? To bring in help? To make their quality of life go up? How many are now in nursing homes, on federal money (medicare/cade) who could have still been in their homes? The FHA modernization act is needed, it is needed now to preserve the quality of life our seniors deserve and save expenses that drain us going into nursing homes for minimum care, as people are shelved waiting to die.
karen
May 25, 2008, 5:57pm (report abuse)How much longer will we seniors have to wait? If not passed soon, I will lose my home and all the money I have put into it. Doesn't the Congress realize we seniors will use some of our HECM money to stimulate the economy by purchasing the things we need and doing improvenents to our homes? I keep hearing 6 more weeks, but I have been hearing this since last year. Now I hear they are suppose to vote again before the July 4 recess? Any news?
John
May 28, 2008, 3:48pm (report abuse)5/28/2008 The FHA Reform bill is now part of "The Federal Housing Finance Regulatory Reform Act of 2008" just in case anybody was keeping score.
BILL
May 28, 2008, 6:05pm (report abuse)Thank You JOHN for this update
(and I am trying to "keep score")
Please continue to keep all of us
informed ...
karen
May 29, 2008, 2:09pm (report abuse)Yes, a big thank you, John. It is difficult to "keep score" with all the different numbers being assigned as this bill makes its way through the maze. Please keep up the good work!
Nancy
May 30, 2008, 10:05am (report abuse)Question regarding John's information that the FHA Reform bill is now part of "The Federal Housing...." Is that a good thing or does it muddy the water even further?
karen
May 30, 2008, 10:59am (report abuse)Good question. I have beem trying to get some info on the FHFRR Act of 2008 and find it was passed in the Senate.....so not sure where it stands now and if that version included the FHA Reform Bll or where it stands at this point. We sure don't need to have more "muddy waters" at this point.
paul
May 30, 2008, 6:26pm (report abuse)can anyoneestimate the differance of taking a reverse mortgage now vs fha reform bill, if passed
bennettjohn
May 31, 2008, 11:27am (report abuse)paul- in response to your question...
yes, i'll try to answer it for you.
i'll use my figures as an example.
today, the FHA cap or limit for an HECM in my county is $201,600. since my home appraised for $280,000 i can apply for a $201,600 reverse mortgage. if my home appraised for $180,000 i could apply for a $180,000 reverse mortgage.
if the FHA reform bill is passed, a single $417,000 national, not by county, cap or limit is being considered. i would be able to get $280,000 vs. the current $201,600. for me, the difference is $78,400.
that is why so many bloggers on this site are at wits' end waiting for congress to pass it. i hope this helps explain our anxious behavior.
Robert
May 31, 2008, 1:22pm (report abuse)Attn: bennettjohn. To be fully accurate on your assessment, remember you would receive 40% to 60% of the $78,400 difference depending on the age of the youngest borrower and interest rate prevailing.....
paul
May 31, 2008, 8:07pm (report abuse)thanks so much bennetjohn and robert for your prompt responce. It seams waiting would be wise, however I have waited over year, and there has not been alot of progress. I suppose at some point I will have to say "GO FOR IT". Again thanks to you both. your info is very much appreciated
bennettjohn
June 1, 2008, 12:22am (report abuse)correction noted, robert. you ARE the man!! if you can hang in for a while longer, paul, it may be worthwhile. we're expecting a resolution before the july 4th recess. keep in mind that every other deadline we anticipated was incorrect, and just another continuation of this drawn out process.CF2IP
John
June 2, 2008, 1:48pm (report abuse)Many borrowers have been waiting since July 2006 when the House first passed HR5121 The FHA Reform Bill. Unfortunately home values have come down and many no longer can benefit from the higher loan limits by refinancing into an FHA Hecm. In hindsight many seniors waiting for a reverse mortgage should have done so already. On a positive note many lenders have been pressured to drop their fees. To bad it is taking an act of Congress to do so, however so slow.
Jamie
June 2, 2008, 6:19pm (report abuse)John, I agree with you. I have many borrowers who wanted to wait for the limit increase to get more and now with values down, they really won't benefit much. I agree with the fees dropping, I have started advertising that I guarantee the lowest closing costs and $25 on servicing for HECM products. There is plenty to be made, no need to ask for top dollar. Hopefully these these guys in DC wake up soon!
paul
June 2, 2008, 10:56pm (report abuse)Jamie, perhaps I am somewhat confused in regaurd to waiting and perhaps if I gave you figues it would clarifiy things. my home recently appraise at 330000. I owe 75000 on the property,currently I can qulify for 230000 on a hecm in my county. how would I benifit, if at all to wait for possible passage of the bills now in congress. any comment is welcomed, thanks so much
Jamie
June 3, 2008, 1:03am (report abuse)Paul, first you must know what the lending limit is in your county. If it's below $330,000 then you may qualify for more if the proposed lending limits were to take effect. If the lending limit in your county is currently at or above the $330,000 then there is no benefit to waiting. With values decreasing and not knowing what interest rates will do in the near future, you need to evaluate your situation to see if it's worth waiting on legislation for a lending limit increase or if you benefit from the HECM Reverse today. I hope that helps.
karen
June 3, 2008, 3:07pm (report abuse)Thanks Jamie for your explanation. My county limit is only $226,100 but my home appraised for $320000. At 66 what is the maximum I can hope to get by waiting for the increase? Since I presently owe $150,000, the current levels would require me to bring about $20,000 to closing! I have no choice but to wait this thing out or try to sell. Do I have it right?
Jamie
June 3, 2008, 9:33pm (report abuse)Karen, based on your age you would be able to qualify for about 60% of the home value or lending limit (whichever is less). At $226,100 you qualify for $135,660 and at $320,000 you qualify for $192,000 so there is a benefit to you if the lending limits were to increase at or above $320,000. These are just rough numbers so please hold me to it if I am off a bit. Hope that helps to explain.
karen
June 4, 2008, 10:29am (report abuse)Thanks so much, Jamie - rough numbers are better than none and at least it confirms what I was thinking........you have been so helpful! Now, if only Congress would "get it done."
Franny
June 5, 2008, 11:33am (report abuse)John, Do you know if the new "FHFRRA of 2008" still includes Making Manufactured Homes in Condominium or HOA's eligible for Reverse Morgage?
John
June 5, 2008, 2:35pm (report abuse)Franny, FHA Modernization Bill is one of the main components of this massive bill. The only thing that I know of that the Senate committee has changed is regarding the affordable housing fund in the House version. Senator Shelby wants this fund to be used to pay for foreclosure amendments that have been added. Not the taxpayers
paul
June 5, 2008, 7:10pm (report abuse)Just a thought to the fine people who are keeping this feed going. If presiednt Bush allows this to drag on until he is out of office how do yoy feel the next administation would react be it republican or democrat.
Franny
June 6, 2008, 2:21am (report abuse)I don't think it is the President that is dragging this bill on, it is our congress. I think either canidate will have a favorable view of this bill.
brianf
June 9, 2008, 12:21pm (report abuse)I'm a bit confused here. Does the FHA Modernization that is now in FHFRR Act of 2008 have a proposed limit of $417.000 or $550,000?
John
June 9, 2008, 1:35pm (report abuse)Brianf, House version $729,750, Senate version $550,000. Article in Washington Post 6/7/08 by Jeffrey H. Birnbaum should clear things up.
paul
June 9, 2008, 11:32pm (report abuse)John, thanks. Looks like you are really on top of this thing. It does seem to me that the media, at least the tv media does not see this as worthy information to pass along, especialy when you consider how many Americans would be effected. Coments from all or any would be much appreciated.
Robert
June 10, 2008, 12:15pm (report abuse)John, Reverse Mortgages were specifically excluded from the Economic Stimulus Package. Many think, in part, since a 2% origination fee on $729K would exceed (as would initial MIP?). Since they are debating the $729 and $550 national limit, could we be wiped out by this consideration again? I thought the origination fee was reduced to 1.5% as part of the Dodd package? Please advise.
John
June 10, 2008, 2:17pm (report abuse)Robert, There is no opposition to the reverse mortgage program in either side of Congress. Remember the origination fee unlike the MIP IS NEGOTIABLE. Shop while you wait for the bill to pass.
karen
June 10, 2008, 3:35pm (report abuse)John is correct - origination fee is negotiable and anyone that tells you otherwise does not have your best interest at heart - only their pocketbook.
Robert
June 10, 2008, 5:35pm (report abuse)Dear John, maybe I did not make my point clear. The issue is not the negotiability of the Origination Fee. The issue is with a 2points of lending limit cap and a lending limit of 729K, the senior could, theoritically, be charged $30,000 for a HECM. This is why I brought up the Economic Stimulus package, which excluded reverse mortgages, and Dodd's alleged reduction of the 2% origination fee cap to 1.5%. One of the reasons the economic stimulus package excluded reverse mortgages was because legislators found a $30,000 maximum loan fee to steep for the senior. Will this issue arise again in the current debates about the lending limit?
Marie
June 10, 2008, 7:36pm (report abuse)I find that most of the discussion is on the lending limits of this act. Do you all know that Seniors who own Manufactured homes in a condomium complex cannot get a reverse mortgage now ? We are praying for the bill not just the extended limits because it will help us save our homes. Without this many seniors will have to sell the house. We cannot even get a line of credit. Most of us did not know we would not qualify when we bought. Other condimiums units with shared walls can get a reverse mortgage. I am sure there are many seniors in this situation. Are any of you out there?
Jamie
June 10, 2008, 10:22pm (report abuse)Hi Marie,
I am a Reverse Mortgage Loan Officer and I have a list of people that I update regularly regarding this legislation because they have manufactured homes in Co-ops and can't get a reverse mortgage today. They are all holding their breath and crossing their fingers that something happens soon. Hang in there, you are not alone.
Marie
June 11, 2008, 10:22am (report abuse)Thanks Jamie for the encouragement. I know many of us are just holding on by our fingernails. Several homeowners in my complex are in danger of having to sell. We can't wait much longer.
bennettjohn
June 14, 2008, 12:54pm (report abuse)in the last 12 hours i have added two comments. after keying them, i entered the code and clicked on "submit". immediately my screen went blank... no notification of red or green type indicating acceptance.
anyone know how i can recover them?
they took hours to type, and said "Let's all fax Chris Dodd at 202.224.1083 and tell him to vote for increased FHA limits for HECM mortgages.
thanks,
ben
Jamie
June 17, 2008, 3:41pm (report abuse)I have had lot's of calls asking if there are any updates. Has anyone heard anything?
Jamie
June 17, 2008, 3:51pm (report abuse)I just called Senator Dodd's office and was told that the FHFRR Act of 2008 should hopefully go to the floor tomorrow for a vote.
RickM
June 18, 2008, 9:43am (report abuse)Dick Armeys article in the Wall Street Journal says this is a bailout and says FHA is bleeding. Brian Montgomery says FHA is solvent. These opposing opinions are pulling at this but since there's so much talk in past 6 days, I think its coming to a head. Hopefully the $550,000 is approved, the cap on HECM is $6000 and they remove the numbers cap.
John
June 18, 2008, 12:45pm (report abuse)Go to: banking.senate.gov to get the right information. The Dodd/Shelby statement and the links on the Senate bill to be debated on possibly today.
karen
June 18, 2008, 2:39pm (report abuse)Thank you John for that link. I wrote an email to the Committee. Now I am confused by RickM's statement regarding the $6000 cap on a HECM........what is that all about?
Jamie
June 19, 2008, 12:25am (report abuse)Karen,
I believe the legislation will cap the origination fee at $6,000. Currently is origination fees can run as high as $7255.80 depending on your county lending limit. If the limits increase, then so would the origination fees. With this $6000 cap, you would have the benefit of the increased limits without an increase in origination.
BILL
June 19, 2008, 10:23pm (report abuse)JOHN
If the President vetos the bill
do you think there is a 23 majority to over turn ??? !!!
Jamie
June 20, 2008, 1:07pm (report abuse)5/20 - Looks like they will adjourn for the day with no outcome. I see HR3221 on the Senate calendar for 5/23 and 5/24 so we will have to wait and see what happens.
John
June 20, 2008, 3:34pm (report abuse)Bill, Yes there is a bipartisan majority in favor of passing HR3221 (includes FHA Modernization). The President has some objections to parts of the workouts that Senators Dodd/Shelby came up with. This weekend their staffs will be working on changing the objectionable items if possible. Remember that the House has to approve of the changes that they may of initially proposed. The House also has a bipartisan majority that can override any presidential veto. Personally I doubt the President will veto the bill.
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