S. 206 would amend title II of the Social Security Act to repeal the Government pension offset and windfall elimination provisions.
Detailed Summary
Social Security Fairness Act of 2007 - Amends title II (Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance) (OASDI) of the Social Security Act to repeal: (1) government pension offset requirements applicable to husband's and wife's insurance benefits, widow's and widower's insurance benefits, and mother's and father's insurance benefits with respect to OASDI payments; and (2) windfall elimination requirements with respect to computation of an individual's primary insurance amount.
Status of the Legislation
Introduced by Sen. Feinstein, with Sen. Collins, Lautenberg, and Snowe; had 35 sponsors and co-sponsors as of 9/07/07. Referred to Committee on Finance.
Senator John Kerry has scheduled a hearing on 11/06/07 of the Senate Finance Subcommittee on Social Security, Pensions, and Family Policy. Typewritten submissions for the record must state your full name and address and the title and date of the hearing ("GPO and WEP: Policies Affecting Pensions from Work Not Covered by Social Security" November 6, 2007). Statements must be mailed before 11/20 to:
Senate Committee on Finance
Attn. Editorial and Document Section
Rm. SD-203
Dirksen Senate Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510-6200b
Points in Favor
Current GPO and WEP rules take away Social Security rights that people earned because someone in their family served in public service jobs outside of the system. For example, a wife who never worked would get 50% of her husband's retirement benefits. However, if she worked as a librarian in many states, she would get none of these benefits. In another case, a coal miner turned fire fighter might be denied most of his own Social Security retirement benefits earned in the mines, because his later employer chose not to participate in Social Security.
Overall, it discourages people from taking a career in public service, or tracks them between covered and non-covered employers. Former teachers in one school district cannot afford to serve in another district, making it harder to fill needed positions everywhere.
Points Against
Social Security benefits are intended to replace only a percentage of a worker's pre-retirement earnings. The way Social Security benefit amounts are figured, lower-paid workers get a higher return than highly paid workers. For example, lower-paid workers could get a Social Security benefit that equals about 55 percent of their pre-retirement earnings. The average replacement rate for highly paid workers is about 25 percent.
Before 1983, people who worked mainly in a job not covered by Social Security had their Social Security benefits calculated as if they were long-term, low-wage workers. The effect of this was that their record looked like that of a person who had worked most of their life at lower paying jobs. This gave them an advantage because they received a Social Security benefit representing a higher percentage of their earnings than was intended, plus a pension from a job where they did not pay Social Security taxes. For that reason Congress passed the Windfall Elimination Provision to remove that advantage.
For those who have worked at both Social Security covered jobs and non-covered jobs there is a provision to reduce the offset. For every year of substantial Social Security covered earnings in excess of twenty years the offset is reduced. It is entirely possible for an individual to have enough Social Security earnings to completely eliminate the offset. The table for substantial earnings can be found at:
www.ssa.gov/pubs/10045.html#exceptions
A detailed explanation and chart showing the maximum amount of the offset is at:
www.ssa.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm
This is a fair and equitable way to reduce the unfair advantage that some individuals gained prior to the enactment of the Windfall Elimination Provision, while still providing some measure of coverage under Social Security.
Visitor Comments
Jack
November 25, 2008, 2:32am (report abuse)I am a retired CA teacher. Before and during my teaching career I paid into STRS & SS. As an entrepreneur the amount I paid into SS was considerably more than my STRS teacher pay deductions.
I agree with Charlie that the concerns addressed here will never be addressed by congress. However, I think it is misguided for Charlie to assume what the money government saves from not not addressing this issue for retired/retiring public employees will some how benefit future generations. The government takes care of itself. We have to take care of ourselves ANY WAY we can!
That old often used lawyer phrase that, "Life is unfair" is I'm sure inspired by the treatment of individuals by their government.
The unions aren't any better.
Screw the government. Take a lesson from our government. Take care of NUMBER ONE and screw everyone else! No elected "public servant" gives a dam about you. Do whatever the hell you can, but behave yourself as circumstances require! :-)
Rick, Fl.
November 25, 2008, 7:54am (report abuse)The Legislature needs to do the right thing and repeal the Government Pension Offset and the Windfall Elimination Provision (H.R. 82/S. 206), and to push for immediate action on to reverse this outdated, unfair and inhumane law. Just imagine you and/or your family members being adversely affected by these laws….I’m sure you would support change immediately!
Charlie
November 25, 2008, 3:43pm (report abuse)Jack said "Take care of NUMBER ONE and screw everyone else!"
As far as I am concerned that is exactly what everyone who wants to see WEP rescinded are doing. They care nothing about anyone else - just themselves. The WEP is fair and should remain in effect.
Jack
November 26, 2008, 12:15pm (report abuse)Charlie, It's not a matter of "not caring," it's a matter of being pragmatic about how things are. With the radical transition from national interest to special interest(e.g., the selective application of WEP), citizens must more so take care of themselves and their own. Money buys influence in Washington and state government, NOT the legitimate needs of "the people." Those pulling the levers of government are gladly investing/competing for your tax dollars on growing the Latino voting base of illegal aliens. It's the "future generations" of illegal service sucking illegal Latinos and pork barrels that take up their time & YOUR resources, NOT YOU. Pull your head out your butt Charlie & get Real! Everyone else, pay as little tax as possible, tear up your credit cards (if they haven't been torn up for you) & SAVE SAVE SAVE! And remeber, "Charity NOW begins & ends at YOUR door step."
Charlie
November 26, 2008, 3:37pm (report abuse)Jack,
Just what is "selective" about the WEP? If you draw a retirement from employment not covered by social security you MAY have a portion of any social security benefit you receive offset. Note the word MAY.
It appears that you want to use this particular thread to pound your own agenda, one which is not even associated with the WEP. That does nothing to further the discussion and, in fact, only serves to deflect others.
Jack
November 26, 2008, 8:43pm (report abuse)Charlie, That which I write is NOT my agenda. Like you, I am merely drawing attention to a concern affecting future generations of Americans. But then I'm probably not thinking it through, after all Latino's (a high percentage of them illegal aliens) now comprise close to 50% of California's public school population enabling school districts to collect more ADA and hire more teachers thereby generating more teacher income and teacher retire (STRS) money! Hmmm, maybe I should rethink this whole Lation illegal alien thing?
Anyway, MAY the force be with you, and MAY ALL your retirement deductions (BOTH public sector and PRIVATE) grow and bear a full and equal measure of fruit to be harvested when your age is ripe, your poop is hard, and YOUR mind INFLEXIBLE!
Leslie Martinez
December 1, 2008, 6:17pm (report abuse)While listening to all the talk by pundits and watching Auto Exec's testify in Congress, I have to wonder who is representing and lobbying for all of us, who are unequally treated by the off set program, and who is campaigning for "main street"? If Obama and particularly the committees and Congress have held up these bills to repeal the with both S206 and HR82, making seniors the next group of people who lose homes with good loans, good credit, but inadequate income, because Congress says they "can't afford to repeal the offset program". Just how can they afford to bailout big corporations, and union members who get paid not to work? Where is the centralized Union of retirees or WEPP affected seniors, or AARP, Teachers, AFSME,FOP and others, that should be screaming for equal rights for equal contributions??? If anyone knows let me know, cuz all I can find are individual State sites under WEPP or Social Security Fairness, that show comments, content. Where is political Action?
Bob
December 2, 2008, 8:04am (report abuse)The National FOP has been successful in gaining more support for HR 82/S.206. Right now at least 340 cosponsors on HR 82, more than 75% of entire House.
Equally successful in the Senate. 36 members signed on as co sponsors.
Richard 12/02/08
December 2, 2008, 3:46pm (report abuse)To Leslie M:
Two national teacher unions, the American Federation of Teachers and the National Education Association, along with the Fraternal Oder of Police are very active and have been well documented on this site. I’m not familiar w/AFSME. Perhaps you could make contact w/them and ask what their position is. Your question: “Just how can they afford . . .” is kind of like preaching to the choir. Why not go back 18 posts or so and consider the recommendation made to Kristina on 11/11/08 because you are where [the] political action begins, along w/everyone else on this site.
Bob
December 4, 2008, 7:32am (report abuse)Leslie, I have been in contact wiht the national FOP and the AFT and suggested they get together and marshall their forces to make a bigger impact. I have also written talk shows in hopes of getting some coverage but so far no luck there.
Richard [cont]
December 4, 2008, 8:37am (report abuse). . .as for AARP; most of us are disgusted that they choose not to support legislation that would eliminate the GPO/WEP. Their involvement was felt to be vital to repealing these provisions that penalize educators and public sector employees. I have a substantial file of correspondence w/them.
AARP's turn-around on the Prescription Drug Plan, when they realized there was money to be made, found many of us resigning our memberships. They are no more than an insurance company with seniors as their marketing niche.
Bob
December 5, 2008, 8:48am (report abuse)Richard, good point. I'm not going to renew my subscription. It is vital to get their support and since it doesn't affect the majority of their subscribers I didn think they would back us. I never thought of them as being an insurance company but you are spot on about that.
For Bob and Richard
December 5, 2008, 9:12am (report abuse)Simon & Garfunkel once sang about folks like you:
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest ..."
Mark
December 15, 2008, 11:56am (report abuse)Here is an address for President-elect Obama: http://www.change.gov/page/s/contact,...copy/paste into your browser and when the page opens send him a message and URGE him to follow through on his commitment of support for the repeal of WEP / GPO in 2009. Share the address with those you know affected by this unfair legislation and get them involved... BEFORE the Inauguration.
Mark
December 15, 2008, 12:18pm (report abuse)To Leslie,
I totally agree and believe that those affected in the 15 states need to create "critical mass" by uniting with one another via a website/web-petition/??. Disparate professional organizations do not appear inclined to join forces....we must somehow do this ourselves. Those on this blog who are web-savvy (or know someone who is)can pick up the ball and design something to accomplish the goal:Get our message to everyone affected and create momentum. AARP is not interested in us and is only an insurance provider with a large data base.
Mark
December 15, 2008, 12:19pm (report abuse)Leslie continued: there is no "centralized union of retirees"..we have to be innovative and create it. Congress has boxcars of testimony over years of letters/emails. What it doesn't have is a "focused" message from those affected...breakdown the walls of professional organizations and unite not as teachers, firefighters, police officers, civil service employees..but rather as American citizens deserving what is fair! I challenge us all to develop this plan.
Geoffrey Hayes
January 1, 2009, 11:25am (report abuse)Most people are probably unaware the the Windfall Elimination Provision WEP, also grossly unfairly affects Naturalized US citizens also.
Before becoming a US citizen, I worked 19 years in the UK paying into their social security system. I was stunned to learn on applying for my US social security after many years working here and contributing to the US system, that my payments will be reduced by the amount of any payment I receive from England. How can this be fair or morally right? My British social security will be paid form England not the US and has nothing to do with my hard-earned entitlement to US social security. The US is not losing any money by paying the pension I have earned here.
Totally outrageous!
James III
January 2, 2009, 10:23am (report abuse)Geoffrey:
Welcome to America.
" Stupid is as stupid does!"