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S. 1639, A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes (43 comments ↓ | 5 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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S. 1639 would provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.

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Vic

June 25, 2007, 5:54pm (report abuse)

Old wine in new bottle !! Same bill Sen Kennedy introduced as S 1348. Actually it is not Comprehensive Immigration Bill but it is "Illegal Amnesty Bill"

Still I don't understand why to punish a legal immigrant system and award illegal immigrants, who broke the laws. What message Kennedy and team want to give to rest of the world? "USA is welcome the criminals, lawbreaker illegals. Come on jump the fence and be part of great nation!!

Brad

June 26, 2007, 8:09pm (report abuse)

This bill is a joke! We can't even uphold the laws we have in place now. Come on you people in Washington no wonder you have the lowest approval ratings of all time. Lets work for the people that are already citizens first and then worry about those that are not.

Freddy

June 28, 2007, 9:24pm (report abuse)

Racist bigots in the United States Senate have failed this country. I agree this bill was not a good one in that it did not do enough to solve the immigration problem. It was way too punitive on the illegals here. Little do you all realize that these 13 million illegals living in this country are vital in its economy. Percentage wise they probably directly and indirectly pay more taxes than you and they get none of the benefits. These people come here too work and our congress doesn't see that. We are a nation of immigrants and rascist Senators are too blinded by the fear of a spick run nation that they killed this bill before it was even voted on.

Brian

June 29, 2007, 12:10am (report abuse)

Hey, somebody give Freddy a box of tissues! On the contrary Freddy, the only taxes that these people pay are sales taxes when they buy something from a store (if they happen to be in a state that charges sales tax)! No reasonable US citizen will disagree with you that we are a nation of immigrants (much to the detriment of Native Americans), but most immigrants have the decency to pursue a legal path to citizenship under current law, that fact seems to elude you. I also agree that these people are performing important jobs here, but I don't agree that Americans are unwilling to do them themselves! The problem is that our Welfare system is far too generous and forgiving to the lazy and unwilling! If we were to restrict government assistance to where only the physically disabled could receive benefit, then these lazy welfare recipients would have no choice but to do these jobs or starve! Then we would have no "need" for these illegal "guest workers" period!

Brian

June 29, 2007, 12:24am (report abuse)

And Freddy, how in the name of all that is reasonable can you first call the US Senate "racist bigots", and then use the word "spick" yourself?! Wake up man!!

Jessica

July 1, 2007, 5:22pm (report abuse)

I hate the argument that "immigrants do the jobs that most Americans won't take." That's ridiculous. I live in a small town in Pennsylvania and I have never seen a Hispanic working in a local hotel cleaning rooms or in a school cafeteria, or as a janator in a building. The people there need to do whatever they can to survive and to support their families. You would, too, if you needed to. It doesn't mean that the like it, it means that they make sacrifices.

Brett

July 3, 2007, 12:48am (report abuse)

So if they can speak english, get a job, and stay out of trouble with the police; then what is the harm. Make new immigrants pay taxes like the rest of us Xth generation immigrants. Once they obey the laws I don't think it would matter who they are, or where they came from. Brad is right, we can't enforce the current immigration laws that we have, why try to add more. And it becomes insanely easy to enforce immigration when the only requirement of the immigrant is to be able to carry on a conversation in english, and show proof of employment. Brian is also right - they don't pay proper taxes, they don't always follow the laws, because they are already breaking them. But Brian, you are wrong about the Welfare system. I have seen first-hand in a town of 90k people, with an unemployment rate of 2% where every fast-food franchise in town has a "Now Hiring" sign. I bet those people wish they had a few new immigrants to hire so that they could keep their business running.

Brian

July 10, 2007, 10:05pm (report abuse)

Brett, I am glad you agree with me on some points, however, your community of 90,000 people with an unemployment rate of 2% is a far cry from my community of roughly the same population with an unemployment rate of 11%! You must realize that in towns like mine, where laziness is more the rule than the exception, the burden on the welfare system is astronomical, and so are the corresponding tax rates!

ann

August 3, 2007, 11:32pm (report abuse)

Hey, Jessica who says all illegal immigrants are hispanic? Just shows hoe ignorant and biased you all are

Lorenia

August 15, 2007, 6:04am (report abuse)

Brian I think you are right when you speak of laziness. However, how is that the fault of illegal immigrants? They are choosing to not be lazy & WANT to work just about ANY job so they can provide for their families, why deny them? & what makes you think that they ALL don't file taxes? Now that's an ignorant statement. Might as well say that they are ALL criminals too & well, that too would be ignorant to say. Your welfare statement is a good point, but I also think that many people can agree with me when I say that it isn't going to really MAKE the lazy individuals get up & do ANY job that is available. The lazy individuals that are on welfare still have their "dignity" & will not even settle for McD's. I would like to see them start with welfare & see how far that gets them. - Phoenix, AZ

Dawn - Lost my programming job to H1B

August 22, 2007, 10:23pm (report abuse)

I lost my programming job to an H1B visa holder and then company outsourced the whole department to India including him. The only winner was the company. The visa holders are held hostage at low wages and citizens lose their jobs. To see a summary of the bill go to: http://www.saalt.org/pdfs/June_SAALT_S1639_Chart.pdf This bill helps only corporations. It spends a lot of money on borders and enforcement and raises the H1B cap for legalized slavery. Most illegals do not crawl under the border they pay money to coyotes who then pay money to whatever company wants them. Companies win they get money from the coyotes and cheap labor same with the H1B visa scam. Anyway, it didn’t pass. Go to: http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/senateaction0507.html to see who voted for it and who didn’t. To find out who benefits from this bill go to: http://www.maplight.org/map/us/bill/70192/default and see who is lobbying for it.

debra

September 4, 2007, 9:54pm (report abuse)

Illegal aliens that use a fake social security number that do not work under the table pay taxes they are taken out of their pays.

And then they cannot file for the income taxes because they are illegal so they are not all not paying taxes.

DEBRA

September 4, 2007, 9:57pm (report abuse)

Also do you know it takes Social Security roughly two years to

catch up with a fake soc sec #.

Library

September 9, 2007, 4:49am (report abuse)

People let's wake up. The people currently working in this country are far from lazy. Working two jobs and not making it can certainly dampen your enthusiasm to work at piss poor employment. Our schools are so expensive people are in debt up to their eyeballs. During the fourties you could go to Harvard on the GI bill. You also had many other forms of subsidization that went a long way to creating the boon of the post war era. People are not lazy they want only to be able to earn a decent wage one that can afford them a life for themselves and their families. I see people everyday struggling toward the American Dream and realizing that they will never reach it. If you have time please read Nikel and Dimed.

Jeff

October 9, 2007, 3:01am (report abuse)

I say give every AMERICAN CITIZEN a border patrol badge and a gun. The issues should work out from there. Don't like it, get bent. Congress should stop worrying about collecting more voters and fix whats broke and not working before adding more obsticles we can't handle.

Steve

October 29, 2007, 9:50pm (report abuse)

The point here is not whether the illegal immigrants pay taxes or not the focus should be on the fact that they are ILLEGAL. To justify letting them stay because they work hard is simply ridicuolus. The solution should be the same as with any other illegal activity. You find the criminal and you prosecute him/her to the fullest extent of the law. In this case they just need to be sent back to where ever they came from. Now before you all get on your high horses and tell me how wrong all of this is. I am an immigrant and have lived in the U.S. for 49 years, I went through the proper channels, took all the required tests, learned to speak English and became a citizen, paid my taxes, served in th U.S. Marines for 8 1/2 years and am proud to call myself an American. I do not support those who do anything illegal, regardless of the reason.

Joe

October 29, 2007, 10:44pm (report abuse)

I would like to know what the Income Tax and Social Security Tax that is taken out of my pay check really is if it is not a tax? I work and pay Income Tax, Social Security Tax, Gas Tax, and Food Tax and do not get Food Stamps, Free Health Care,Free Housing, Free Meals and Education. Why should illegal immigrants be entitled to it if they don't pay for it? I served to defend this country in time of war yet illegal immigrants receive more benefits than I and the rest of the military personnel in this country. These freedoms would not exist if it weren't for these people. I say get a real grip on life in the U.S. by pulling you head out of the sand or that dark spot you have it in.

AlGor

October 30, 2007, 12:07pm (report abuse)

Please be sure to pay your ever-increasing taxes on time every year.

22 million illegals are depending on you.

jar-el

October 30, 2007, 7:49pm (report abuse)

Deja-vu. What is this, the same turd with a new coat of sugar? Enforce the laws and shut-up. No amnesty ever. We can't afford it, my children and yours can't afford it. Want to see a socialist country, encourage millions of poor uneducated people into this country to have millions more anchor babies. It'll be the end of financial freedom for you and me. I'm talking taxes, taxes and more taxes.

Tom

October 30, 2007, 8:00pm (report abuse)

It's strange reading the comments from people locked on to their anti-immigrant stance like deer in the headlights. I'm a conservative, but I can recognize a threat to the rule of law when I see one. Our *immigration laws* all are out of whack, which is why there are so many illegal immigrants here. We need them to fill jobs; they need to come here because the circumstances in their home countries are dire. To think that conservatives would be so angry about people who come here TO WORK, and work harder than a lot of native-born Americans! Time to stop marching in lockstep and use your noggins, fellow Americans.

Steve

October 30, 2007, 10:13pm (report abuse)

To Tom, it is not fact that they want to come to work, or the fact that they work harder than the natives that is the problem. The problem is that there is a right way and a wrong way to do something. You can immigrate to this country by following proper channels, that is how most of us got here in the first place. Then when you get here, learn English, (No more bilingual crap) and become a citizen. Otherwise your breaking the law. And we don't need any more criminals now do we??

Tom

October 30, 2007, 11:06pm (report abuse)

Steve, first of all, we haven't permitted anywhere near enough legal immigration since at least the 1986 law. You can sit back and talk about legal channels, but the law has only allowed a drip-drip, when we have a flood of demand for good workers. And do you know what it's been like trying to get people through the cockamamie INS, now the Customs and Border Patrol? This has got to be about the worst-run federal agency - and the competition for that title is pretty stiff. I don't give a damn about honest people's paperwork violations. And that's what we're talking about - 98% honest hard-working people who would be a credit to this country if we made it legal for them to come.

Steve

October 31, 2007, 10:56pm (report abuse)

Tom, You may be correct in that there has to be a better way of moving immigrants through the system, but until that happens this is what we have. Saying that it is ok for the 98% of hard working immigrants to break the law simply because they are hard working is wrong. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Pretty soon we will be saying that is OK to kill somebody as long as "They Needed Killing". Also with them becoming citizens, and hence learning English not a requirement, has forced certain jobs such as police, teacher to require that they learn Spanish so that they can deal with the people who haven't bothered to learn the language of our country. (And believe me Congress' unwilling to make English the National language irritates me to no end). This is wrong as well.

Mcgruder

November 3, 2007, 6:52am (report abuse)

Here is the best reason not to pass this crap. 70% to 80% of Americans don't want it. Right or wrong it should be our choice to make and live with the decision, not some padded pocket politician. And how come all the illegals come in and all the sudden they think they know better about what America should be than Americans. If you are so smart and have all these strong views, your country could probably use you to help make it a better place. Go spew your crap there.

Mary

November 5, 2007, 12:08pm (report abuse)

My husband is in law enforcement and 90% of his time involves illegal aliens. Many of them work in the fields, poultry processing, and general contracting during the day. On there off-time, they are smuggling drugs, running illegal cock-fighting and dog fighting rings, gang members, and stealing and raping. Illegals are bogging down our police and court system. When they are prosecuted, they go to jail where we feed and house them for years.

After their release, we pay to ship them to their country. Then it starts all over again. They illegally enter this country again under another name and DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN! We must stop the madness.

Bud

December 1, 2007, 6:42am (report abuse)

1 in 8 Americans are immigrants. 1/2 are illegals! An average of 4,380 Americans are killed by illegals each year. More then killed in Iraq since the beginning. Illegals are taking good paying jobs from Americans. They are driving down wages for many others. They are raping our social programs. Illegals are hurting our education system, bringing in drugs to our kids, committing crimes, and more. We need to close our borders (recently Iraqis and Afghans were caught crossing), build a good fence, hire more agents, and enforce laws. Ike Eisenhower had it right. He started in the west and hunted illegals down and deported all of them. If the government doesn't, maybe we can get our own guns and meet at the border and do it ourselves. And while we are at it, just meet in Washington and boot the whole lot out. Did not the Second Amendment give us the right to protect ourselves when government was not protecting us?

Dave

December 16, 2007, 5:39am (report abuse)

Another example of the Fat Heads in Washington pandering to Big Corporate interests just so Big Business can have their cheap labor pool!

Dennis

January 8, 2008, 3:29am (report abuse)

Rewarding illegal aliens for breaking our immigration laws is not only obscene but ludicrous. If you are going to make one exception after another, or one excuse after another, then why have any laws at all. Make it a free-for-all! We may have been a nation of immigrants at one time, but you better study the facts of immigration to this country before making such innocent statements. We can no longer afford illegal immigration. It only serves the corporate interests. Isn't that why Congress is promoting this recent amnesty bill, as they during the Reagan administration.

Another point that can be made is that the jobs these illegal aliens are performing were originally done by American high school and college students some 20-30 years ago. How do you think many of us put ourselves through college. Many of the above commentaries either did not live at this time, or are unaware of this fact.

Sarah

January 9, 2008, 4:37pm (report abuse)

I think the land you live in is because God wants you to live there. if their is so many immigrants here in the USA it is because God has a purpose. We just have to wait and see what it is. Why be angry at immigrants? if your land has no opportunities, human nature would make you move to one that does.

Eddie of Cebu City

January 11, 2008, 1:05pm (report abuse)

I respectfully suggest to the Honourable US Senators that sons and daughters of Filipino World War II veterans shall have a separate bill so that there long dream to derive US citizenship from their veteran parents would be given fast action and enactment of a law for this is long overdue. I do believed this is a special case so that the long sacrifice and effort during their heroic deeds will be compensated and rewarded. Although many have died already but, the sons and daughters who were waiting for so long a time shall rightfully claim for these benefits. For I am a son of a Filipino WW II veteran and naturalized US citizen but, have not benefited from my father's heroic deeds. I tried to apply in Los Angeles, California and paid the fees but, was denied. Hope someday a law will be enacted. Thank you very much.

Mrs. Terrebonne

January 14, 2008, 1:44pm (report abuse)

The first thing that illegal immigrants have done by entering our country is break the law. They proceed to get false papers in order to work so they're breaking our laws again and contributing to the appalling rise in identity theft in our country. Every day they stay in the U.S., they are in violation of our laws, period.

The "they do jobs Americans won't do" argument is bogus. Entire employment sectors have been overtaken by illegals because they will work for less, pure and simple. The meat packing industry, the construction trades, and the janitorial services have been cut off as employment opportunities to almost all legal citizens of the U.S. Money hungry corporations apparently prefer lower wage criminals to law abiding citizens and will continue to fuel this engine of greed and flood our country with law-breakers as long as they're allowed to do so. It's all about the money. Everything else is spin.

Nyan

January 16, 2008, 5:05pm (report abuse)

Brent .... New LEGAL immigrants do pay taxes. So your saying let the immigrants come to our country illegally, buy fake documentation (supporting an ever growing illegal business) and just forget the fact that they broke our laws. If I break ANY LAW, I would be expected to face my punishment! Why do they get to break our laws?

Nyna

January 16, 2008, 5:11pm (report abuse)

I have a brother that was diagnosed with cancer. He is self-employed and has no insurance (he can't afford it). He has always been a hardworking, honest man and taxpayer. He is having to pay as he goes for treatment. When he was first diagnosed with cancer, it was stage II. Before he could get treatment, it went to stage IV. He is going to die. We have ILLEGAL immigrants who pay no taxes, are illegally in our country, and get treated for FREE. THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!!!!!

Ed Weirdness

February 5, 2008, 4:51pm (report abuse)

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crime, pollution, crumbling infrastructure, failing schools, inadequate health care, diminishing resources, vanishing farm land and green space, increased taxation, depressed wages. lack of affordable housing, over all declines in the quality of life, all are the result of unconstrained immigration. Too many people chasing too few resources. Thus far I have not seen a valid argument in favor of even more unskilled workers and their dependents being allowed into our country. Securing our borders and enforcing our existing immigration laws will measurably improve all the problems I've cited.

Mark

March 14, 2008, 8:19pm (report abuse)

More shamnesty! Congress wants to ram this down the taxpayers throats again, when we have already stood up and said, "No, Enough!"

This congress is ignoring the people, because they know that if they give enough of our country away by creating a government-dependent society, they will manage to secure their positions of power in a huge government oligarchy. This is the underlying subtle corruption of a big government programs and expansion. I say we prosecute businesses that hire illegals, deny government benefits and citizenship to all illegals and deport all illegals. PROBLEM SOLVED, AND AT A HUGE SAVINGS!

me

May 12, 2008, 7:23pm (report abuse)

looks like the legal citizens of this country are going to have to have a revolution before govt. & big business get the message. Some learn the hard way, sadly.

Jim

July 7, 2008, 4:26am (report abuse)

Illegals use to work only in the fields and service industry. Now they are also taking trade jobs, carpenters, plumbers, electricians and equipment operators. They take the the jobs at a lower wage and force local labor out of jobs. By doing this they are lowering the standard of living of all in non- professional jobs.

A fence will not stop them and the cost would be enormus. Only one action would need to be taken and that is verfication of citizenship. A law that is already on the books. Fine all that hire illegals heavily without discrimination. Send all that are caught back out of the country without discrimination. Without work they will go home.

DRIVER

July 14, 2008, 5:28pm (report abuse)

Can anyone here honestly say that they know the current immigration laws? We need reform, any reform. Granted, this is a Kennedy bill, but it is a bill that calls for immediate security increases. See:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1639&tab=summary

Angel

July 19, 2008, 10:03am (report abuse)

Lets be honest, this is one more step to more outsourcing just like NAFTA. Its easier to appease illegals than to follow the wants and needs of the American CITIZENS which is their JOB

An American

September 9, 2008, 5:21pm (report abuse)

Let's tak a quick look at the word illegal. If it is illegal any and all should be rounded up and taken out of this country. If you are here legally and have applied for citizenship one of your first responsibilities is to drop tou region or country affiliation and state that you are an American. Second learn to speak the language which the majority (91%) of this great nation speaks. THird immerse yourself in learning about this countries heritage and drop the others. y gran-parent came over from Germany and I never heard them call themselve anything but American and I never heard them speak German. They assimulated into the society which they had request citizenship and obeyed all laws. We have many freedoms in this country but all come with some sacrifice as well.

Martin

September 22, 2008, 10:30pm (report abuse)

ENFORCE THE LAWS WE ALREADY HAVE!!!

Read a Book

September 24, 2008, 3:38am (report abuse)

An American (German-American) needs to pick up a book, immigrants coming during the turn of the century reaffirmed their nationalities by having hometown associations and living together in neighborhoods. (DUH) They sent money back home and took trips back to Italy and Germany. It also became hard to be German after WWII, which may have been a reason why your gammy held off on the German pride and played up the American (it was very common). Two, during the turn of the century, the government funded groups to teach english for free! Thats one reason free public schools were opened! Who said immigrants don't want to learn english? Who says they don't speak english already? We keep pushing this binary world. Either you're black or you're white, you're american or not.Only Simple people deal in absolutes. BTW, you are not American, you are German. I won't tell you to go back where you came from, thats a cowards respond. Just get a brain

Sarah

October 6, 2008, 8:39am (report abuse)

Illegal immigrants are humans just like us that just want to be able to provide for their families. I don't agree that all of them are criminals. The illegal immigrants that are criminals should never be granted the right to live in our country, but illegal immigrants that work to support their families, pay taxes, have no criminal records, etc. should be able to stay here. I think that we, Americans, take all we have for granted and if for some reason our country went into a second great depression or something like that, we would be forced to move to a country were we could work, and if it was too hard to get a work visa, we would have to do the unthinkable to be able to make money. Right?

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