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P.L. 110-417, The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2009 (32 comments ↓ | 18 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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An original bill to authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2009 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe military personnel strengths for such fiscal year.

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National Defense Cost Confusion

A commenter on S. 3001, the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2009, which passed the House yesterday, pointed out a large discrepancy between the cost figures reported here on WashingtonWatch.com and on a worthy similar site, GovTrack....

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jeremy

June 19, 2008, 12:00pm (report abuse)

how can a bill be on the table that will cost a family 8 to 20,000 $$$$$$$$$?

@jeremy

August 4, 2008, 9:54am (report abuse)

That's military spending, bro! Did you think your taxes just went to planting flowers along the highways?

Walter G. Montford

August 4, 2008, 5:18pm (report abuse)

How do you think OUR country will remain free. Try living in Syria!!!!

Walter G. Montford

August 4, 2008, 5:24pm (report abuse)

How do you think OUR country will remain FREE!!!!!! Try living in Iran or Lenanon!!!!

Do you live in a house without pay rent of house payment?

Matt

August 6, 2008, 12:55am (report abuse)

Ike warned us about things getting out of control. Can there ever be a year without war with all this money at stake?

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

RFTN

August 6, 2008, 11:22am (report abuse)

As a spouse of a retired AF Sgt. I have a question some missed. How do we stay FREE, if we have no money to live on. No, the America family can not afford this kind of money... there are ways and we just have to make Congress look for them

Martin

August 6, 2008, 4:35pm (report abuse)

I don't care if our troops "need" this money. The government needs to learn to live within its means like the rest of us. You want to fight a never-ending war? Learn how to prioritize. I don't think the bases in Japan are protecting anyone from terrorists.

greatdanes

September 8, 2008, 10:36am (report abuse)

ENOUGH ENOUGH...no more Anything. Make Do with what you have . Find out where your just Pissing aways waste. ... Live like the Rest of Us. No MORE SPENDING!

Stephanie

September 8, 2008, 11:08am (report abuse)

Hey I have a great idea why dont we down size our military , close down all of our post outside the U.S. that keep us closer to what is REALLY going on in the world..And then why dont we just send a postcard to all the countries that hate us and do spend money on the defense of their nation..Then to top it all of why dont you just hand over your right to think no more spending to someone who understands how they have that right..it is so disappointing to me that in our time we really are so uneducated on history that we dont think we need to move along with the times..If we dont put more into our freedom someone else will

Jean

September 8, 2008, 12:15pm (report abuse)

Have you actually read what this bill involves? This bill covers all expenses of all the Departments of Defense spread over a long period of time. The bill is sponsored by Sen. Carl Levin.

Rob

September 8, 2008, 5:15pm (report abuse)

Why not take a look at what vet mean to world. HCVets.com

ChuckL

September 8, 2008, 5:47pm (report abuse)

Perhaps the money should be taken from welfare collectors who have been on the rolls for over 6 months and have large TV sets and big cars.

Let's face it. If we are overrun by Islamic Terrorists they will be living on NOTHING.

ChuckL

September 8, 2008, 5:50pm (report abuse)

How many of you Naysayers are driving a car that is over 20 years old?

Most of our Military pilots are defending our freedoms with aircraft that is well over 20 years old.

Holly S.

September 8, 2008, 5:52pm (report abuse)

You've given me a chuckle, ChuckL! The chance that we'll be overrun by Islamic terrorists, or any other terrorists, is right around zero - our country is far to strong for that. And it's not the military that's going to get the threat of terrorism under control anyway.

ChuckL

September 8, 2008, 5:56pm (report abuse)

Holly S.,

If not the military, then who?

Holly S.

September 8, 2008, 6:06pm (report abuse)

Intelligence, diplomacy, law enforcement, first responders, owners of critical infrastructure, citizens themselves - each of these have their role. The military is important, of course, but it should be used rarely, and we could do ourselves a lot of good by withdrawing forces from places where we're just in the middle of someone else's civil war giving people reasons to shoot at us (and perhaps send terrorists over here). I'm not anti-military, my friend, I just especially wanted to point out that the USA will not be overrun ever, by anyone.

Peter

September 12, 2008, 12:25pm (report abuse)

I think the amount the US spends on it military is ridiculous, compared to the rest of the world:

ttp://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending

Peter

September 12, 2008, 12:27pm (report abuse)

http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending

Deb

September 15, 2008, 1:23pm (report abuse)

Great comments! {Peter and Holly} Let's elect a new type leader & diplomat and let the 1950's era of fear & ego disappear. U.S. military funds have far surpassed other nations. Money is NOT ALWAYS the answer. In fact it may very well have contributed {greed} to our present reflected image and I'll go one step further & say even 9/11! Comments on welfare recipients & naysayers are old type thinking [blame everything and everybody else thinking should have stayed in the "50's! Come on people, this is the 21st century, I am tired of seeing children and vets die or lose limbs, for what! What is worth such atrocities?

I know I'll get bombarded with my next comment

John

September 16, 2008, 9:26pm (report abuse)

Until legislation can be deloused from the plague of 'Pork Infestation' we will never get out of this absurd national debt building 'Pig' Congressional action. Congress IS the slippery slope. They are the one's guilty as anyone of destroying this country.

caesar

September 19, 2008, 10:31pm (report abuse)

peter/deb/holly you live in the greatest nation ever devised by man and if you think three thousand dollars a year is to heavy a price ,pack up move to Iran and try staying safe with deplomacy, but I have an idea it will cost more than three thousand dollars a year to keep your head. I know it is hard to understand that we face an enemy that hates us with the utmost intencity, not due to failed diplomacy or our presence in foreign countries but do to our freedoms, our ability to disagree vastly on everything from politics to (religion) and still have the ability to debate and discuss them civily, then come togeather as a whole to face any adversary.

Holly S.

September 20, 2008, 12:20pm (report abuse)

Caeser, I don't doubt the intensity of hatred for Americans among a small group of people in other countries. Putting aside the cause, the point is that they don't have anything near the capacity to destroy our country or our way of life. We can reduce our military interventions overseas (make our troops safer) and reduce the hatred of the United States without increasing the risk that these losers will damage our country. It's not just a question of huge military vs. no security. Our great country can be even better, more secure, and more prosperous (and don't we need that right now) with less military spending. A true win-win.

caesar

September 20, 2008, 6:48pm (report abuse)

If you consider a couple billion a small group than I would expect much more public outrage from the religious leaders that hold so much power and sway among the muslim faith

We have a all volunteer military that sometimes needs to be deployed in forign countries to protect Americas interests and global stability, let's not forget in the late 1920's Americans tried to let the world take care of itself and refused to intervene when a small force could have made a difference and 15 years later nearly 25 million lives were lost. Or maybe a easier sinareo, we don't stop driving or cars because they might run out of gas we just refill the tank. I don't want to brush aside the hurt to a fallen soldiers family but I could name countless battles that have claimed more lives in a day then we have lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.So that alone should justify the cost.

Holly S.

September 20, 2008, 10:07pm (report abuse)

caeser, have you been hanging around with ChuckL? He's the one who first inspired me to comment, saying that we might be "overrun" by terrorists.

There are billions of Muslims in the world, yes, but the vast, vast majority of them either kinda like us, kinda don't like us, or don't care one way or the other about us. They're not massing to attack the United States. They're just living their lives. You might want to take a break from the paranoid fringe Web sites.

Relative to the United States' tremendous power, terrorists are tiny in number and a small threat - no threat at all to the viability of our nation and culture.

Now, we want to be vigilant and prevent them doing us harm - we weren't vigilant before 9/11 - but we can do so without maintaining the aggressive military posture we've got. We can get some money back to taxpayers or use it for this dreadful financial services bailout.

Stephaie A

September 22, 2008, 2:27am (report abuse)

Holly I have to ask you if you even know anybody in the military..We are not vigilant obviously you are the proof..Do you think our civilians put fear in the hearts of your friendly Muslims? My husband has been to Iraq twice and it is because of him I understand what freedom really cost.Thankfully we are allowed to have opinoins..but if the "regular" Muslims had their way you would have no voice..Read the Koran educate yourself..It was writen by a Man leading his people to war..HMMM..

Holly S.

September 22, 2008, 12:09pm (report abuse)

It's not relevant, but I have a good friend who is an Iraq War veteran and we have talked about it at length.

The issue here is what billions of Muslims around the world want and what they can do. If you worked in a cancer ward, would you think that everyone in the world had cancer? Of course not. The fighting in Iraq is among Muslims, and sometimes they are fighting with our men there, but that doesn't mean that the billions of Muslims around the world all want to fight us. Going to Iraq does not tell you what the worldwide Muslim population wants.

Now, assuming they actually did want to destroy us - they don't - the next question is whether they can. Stephaie, is your husband weak and lame? Of course not. He is part of what gives our nation so much strength. He doesn't need to be in Iraq to defend our country. I understand why we went in - the risk of WMD. That risk didn't materialize. We should get out, reduce our military budgets, and make ourselves even safer.

caesar

September 24, 2008, 7:50pm (report abuse)

Stephanie A. I would like to thank you for your familys sacrafice and your husbands service to our country. You have to excuse people like Holly S. that have been taught and indoctrinated by main street media and reborn hippie professors to hate America. No matter what we do it will not be good enought.

Holly S. I would like you to sit down with the victoms familys of 9/11 and tell them that terrorists pose no threat and you never anwsered my question about the absence of public outcry denounceing the so called fringe in the muslim faith. I will tell you it's because the vast majority of muslims agree with jihad as a means to an end. I don't need to view paranoid fringe web sights I live in the really real world, where muslims are killing Americans and C.A.R.E. attacks our culture.

I wouldn't mind seeing your theological credentals or any legitmate polling of muslims to support your claims. All the polls I see muslims support suicide bombings for political goals.

Jeff B.

September 25, 2008, 8:53am (report abuse)

Actually the cost seems to be rather high. According to other sites like Government Track, it is more like $230 per American over the 9 years of the bill. Worth every penny in my opinion, we should not have anyone on serving our country in uniform on food stamps.

Holly S.

September 25, 2008, 9:25am (report abuse)

@caeser - I suppose I was rude to suggest that you've been on paranoid fringe Web sites. I started it, so I have to take it when you say things about me that are untrue and irrelevant.

I must say, however, that you seem blinded by fear. Our culturally and militarily powerful country is at risk of being overrun by Muslims or overtaken by Muslim culture? It's simply absurd!

To each of the victims' families, 9/11 was a tragedy beyond compare, and I was deeply affected by it too. But in terms of our 300 million-strong country and society, that was a small tragedy, and terrorists have little capacity to repeat it. We know now what they can do, so we are vigilant.

I'm a proud American, and I believe our country is strong. Is it unpatriotic to want Stephanie's husband home with her? That's some kind of patriotism you've got caeser.

Writer to the World

September 26, 2008, 7:28am (report abuse)

This is an emormously costly war, and I question what the political return on our investment (ROI) is, because I'm not seeing it.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and the only jihadists there came as the result of our presense. From the Downing Street memo to the Valerie Plame scandal, it's pretty clear the American public was fooled into supporting it in the first place. The only question now is, will we continue to fund it knowing what we know now?

We're projected to spend $3 trillion on this fiasco -- that's 3 million $1 million -- much of which isn't accounted for at all. Can we afford to keep this up when our own economy is in shambles, we're bailing out Wall St., gas and energy in general are at all time highs and we have an $11 trillion deficit?

I'm going to write about this at my blog soon, but I think at the heart of the matter is that most Americans have no concept of how much money has been spent or the alternatives we could have chosen.

Sufjan Simone

October 6, 2008, 7:38am (report abuse)

The Good Neighbour

Bang! There he goes again, repeatedly taking aim

Until he hits whatever it is he’s been missing.

Sure of eye even when he falters.

He smiles and waves as we shudder.

It has been a while since we let him

Silence our worries with his hobby.

Our neighbourhood has grown used to this

Night and day, good or bad weather.

Everyone hides a fear of the gun collector.

On days when he fancies something new

From one of us, we grow restless.

Maybe, as we whisper

Among ourselves, we are just imagining it.

No, he’s not really interested in this thing of mine,

You think? He already has his own, from someone else.

Extra care must be taken that he doesn’t feel

Violated by our talk in our own homes.

It is undeclared but true, his claim

Lies beyond his yard.

Soon enough we’ll know who’s next.

-o-

Proud to be

October 29, 2008, 9:00am (report abuse)

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