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H.R. 4088, The SAVE Act of 2007 (52 comments ↓ | 8 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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  • This bill, or a similar bill, was reintroduced in the current Congress as H.R. 3039, The SAVE Act.

H.R. 4088 would provide immigration reform by securing America's borders, clarifying and enforcing existing laws, and enabling a practical employer verification program.

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Michael

November 19, 2007, 5:56pm (report abuse)

Looks good, but doesn't deal with the ones that are already here (and still coming) that are “taking” all the free benefits that are being provided or required by the government. Such as, free hospital, free education, and on and on. Not to mention the ones that cross the boarder just to have the baby here so that it will be an American citizen. THIS IS JUST WRONG! I'm more than happy to welcome anybody that follows the process and laws to come to this country, but not lawbreakers. The word “illegal” in illegal aliens means “Not Legal” and they are breaking the law.

What is so hard about it. If you are here illegally, you are entitled to nothing (except a trip back home at your expense). If you are here illegally and have a baby, you and your baby are entitled to nothing.

If this basic principle was followed, the number of people coming to this country illegally would automatically drop without having to spend anymore money. In fact, we would be saving money.

Jamey Derryberry

November 19, 2007, 7:12pm (report abuse)

I think the enforcement of penalties on employers who hire illegals will serve to weed out those illegals who are here already. Once companies begin to receive penalties, the threat of the penalty will be so high that companies will slowly eliminate illegals from their payroll, thus leaving the illegal alien to search elsewhere for employment. With fewer and fewer employers willing to take the chance to hire them, they will have to go back home and try to LEGAL path to citizenship we've been demanding they utilize for so long now.

I do think that there should be more specifics mentioned as to the identification system. I think a national standard identification should be met for every visa as well as every citizen ID card, driver license, etc,

Michael

November 19, 2007, 7:32pm (report abuse)

I agree partially with you about the employer penalities, but they will still be getting the freebies and unfair citizenships unless something is changed.

William Dougherty

November 19, 2007, 9:40pm (report abuse)

EXCELLENT! No politician will have a justifiable excuse for saying no to this proposal. It contains all needed components to secure our nation from illegal entry; mandate that employers verify employee legality and provide measures for the federal government to enforce immigration laws. This must be passed!

Bob

November 20, 2007, 3:05am (report abuse)

From what I have read on H.R.4088 it sounds like it could be a good law. The people in power will never let this bill see the light of day. Dems will see it as loosing votes, Rep will see it as loosing cheap labor for their friends.. Its a loose - loose for both of them, the hell with the wishes of the people. The go for the money and power the voters come last..

DH950

November 27, 2007, 9:52pm (report abuse)

Needs to specifically authorize local and federal detention facilities to use of tents, similar to Arizona's Maricopa County Sheriff's "TENT CITY", for housing low risk Federal Prisoners.

This would allow for a rapid increase in prisoner housing that can be adjusted as needed.

Mike

November 28, 2007, 5:20pm (report abuse)

I agree with my fellow Michael above. HR4088 is a very good bill that we need to START comprehensive immigration reform. I also agree that we need to do something about those already here. Maybe they are focusing on prevention, then moving on to those who are here. Who knows.

Also, if people are telling Congress to pass this, it should pass. I'm glad that both parties might take a hit for this, who cares about them. They should care about us. Secure the borders, weed out those who stay here, then we can move forward with better protection and interests.

Kevin

November 29, 2007, 4:16pm (report abuse)

This bill needs to be more specific on the penalties for employers that hire illegals.Basically it should a felony to hire an illegal punishable to 5 years in prison first offense,second offense 7 years,third offense 10 years, plain and simple.Cut off ALL government services including welfare from illegal immigrants, make it a felony to help,harbor,or abade illegals.QUITE FRANKLY, H.R.4437 (REVISED)!

Ann

November 29, 2007, 4:18pm (report abuse)

This is a GREAT start!

I am glad to finally see Congress making an effort more in the American Citizens favor!

Glenn

November 30, 2007, 4:06pm (report abuse)

Looks OK but does not address those already here. When an illegal is apprehended, repatriate them to their home country, why spend $ taking care of them in jail. Once they serve their time, what's the plan - let them out on the streets of the US again? Get rid of the "Citizen by Birth statue. A soverign country cannot have a porous border. Why have a border if it is not going to be respected by those on either side of that border?

I could go on and on - enough said for now!

Julia

December 4, 2007, 5:20pm (report abuse)

By mandating that all employers use the E-Verify system;jobs for illegal aliens will start drying-up immeaditly! Soon, they would have no way to make money here.there simply are not that many "under-the-table" lawn mowing jobs to give to 20 million illegal's! They and their families would LEAVE on their own! Attrition through Enforcment; that is what this bill does!

me

December 28, 2007, 10:50pm (report abuse)

im all for this bill..i live in cali and the day this bill passes im sure many of us non-hispanic folks will will probably throw huge parties.im so tired of mexicans and hearing spanish i could vomit!by the way.. im not white and im not racist,but it is what it is.

An American

January 3, 2008, 8:52pm (report abuse)

Dear Me,

You should probably contact every college and university and propose that they stop teaching Spanish. I mean, I really don't want to see you vomit. Otherwise, move to another state...je je je...yeah, it is a little bit too late to stop Mexican immigration to the U.S. I feel sorry for you.

An American

Barb

February 1, 2008, 12:35am (report abuse)

This bill is close to what we started in Arizona on 1/1/08 and what it does for the illegals already here is they get lose their jobs, pack up the brand new trucks they were allowed to finance, they strip their newly financed homes and they head back across the border!!! No work they won't stay.

There is a bill to stop the violation of our 14th Amendment, passing that and getting English only passed will make America better for AMERICANS.

We still need the fence, more Border Agents and huge TENT cities to house the captured till they serve their time and are deported back. We must have fences and military on the border for the drug and smuggling to be stopped!

Barb

February 1, 2008, 12:39am (report abuse)

The bad about this bill is it gives some Employers up to 4 years to comply! THIS NEEDS CHANGED!! That is totally stupid!IMMEDIATE COMPLIANCE BY ALL!!

Barb

February 1, 2008, 12:40am (report abuse)

We had 25 armed incursions by the Mexican military & police on to our soil, this MUST STOP! Help the people in their own Countries, start with mandatory Birth control! We have to stop anyone not tested for Active Tuberculosis and leprosy from working in this COUNTRY especially around all phases of FOOD PROCESSING! That means TYSON foods!

Mexicano

February 1, 2008, 4:45pm (report abuse)

Barb...you need to learn to spell. I am a Mexicano living in the United States. I can teach you, but I have no patience for ignorants like you.

Julia...keep on dreaming girl. Aqui estamos y no nos vamos!!!

Kevin, Ann and Glenn...all I can say is that my people will continue to come and live here and multiply. They have done it for so long...go ahead, spend your tax dollars...je je je...we will survive your attacks! We've done it before...I am still here....j ajaja

L.A.

February 25, 2008, 5:38pm (report abuse)

MEXICANO,

You need to go to the Hispanic Caucas website, I'm sure that you would feel more at home there. It's just a matter of time before you are deported also. I also have no patience for ignorants like you.

Frmrburger

March 13, 2008, 8:08pm (report abuse)

Long overdue. All laws must be enforced. When we pick and choose those that are morally relative at the minute, we disband our form of government.

Chris

March 16, 2008, 7:26pm (report abuse)

The frustration and anger over illegal immigration needs to be directed at those who hire people, in this country illegally. I live in Houston and my commute takes me by a day labor site. I watch general contractors, driving 50K dually super cab trucks in show room condition, dressed like they are going out on the town, picking these people up. The full weight of the law needs to come down on these people at the federal, state and local levels.

European Americans United

March 19, 2008, 3:34am (report abuse)

If diversity is supposed to be a strength, then is homogeny a weakness?

To take it even further, I'd like to ask:

There are roughly 105 million Mexicans, many with little or no education, living in fly blown poverty, and carrying diseases we had once exterminated in America. Would it be okay with them for all 105 million to join the 20 million-plus already here? There are about 14 million Guatemalans in the same sorry condition as their Mexican counterparts. Could we please allow them all into America with open arms, too? There are 15 million people in the back waters known as Honduras and El Salvador. Would it be "immoral" to not issue an open invitation and the keys to Anytown, USA?

And that's just Central America. How about the rest of the world? In order to be consistent how many of India's 1 billion people -- Communist China's 1.3 billion -- and how many from Africa and the Middle East are we actually supposed to welcome here legally and illegally?

Matt

March 19, 2008, 5:11am (report abuse)

Might be a good law, but I am not in anyway in favor of section 102 or 103, these sections are really, really bad for americans, make sure you read them the rest of the bill seems viable

Rocco caravito

March 21, 2008, 10:51pm (report abuse)

For those people that are stupid enough to think leprosy is spread by illegals

http://www.truthinimmigration.org/

STOP THE SUTTLE HATE

DOWN WITH TANCREDOISM

TANCREDOISM IS NAZISM

NAZISM IS UNAMERICAN

Bob from Alaska

March 28, 2008, 12:01pm (report abuse)

This bill is a good first step in the right direction.It will need some changes to equal what most Americans want, expect, and deserve from our law makers.It is much better than the very unpopular amnesty alternatives that Speaker Pelosi wants to cram down our throats.

An angry american

April 3, 2008, 3:10pm (report abuse)

We need what amounts to a berlin wall with machine gun nests. It may sound harsh, but I bet it would stop the hemmorage from their country.

Ex Marine

April 3, 2008, 11:21pm (report abuse)

I wonder why I even served in the military for this country. They are going to eliminate our borders and make the North American Union. Check out SPP.gov

I also live in California and this state is turning into Mexico.

It is disgusting.

Philoforpresident

April 4, 2008, 8:00pm (report abuse)

Check out NumbersUSA.com and DO SOMETHING. Encourage your Congressman to sign the Discharge Petition for this bill.

You can send faxes directly from their web-site for free, and also find phone numbers to call their offices.

This is the most important legislation this Congress will see, and it is our duty as Americans, to force our politicians to take a side.

Either they are for a sovereign nation as we Americans are, or they are against us Americans.

Wait?

April 5, 2008, 5:55am (report abuse)

What are they waiting for? Perhaps waiting until Bush is out of office so he doesn't use it as an excuse to illegally use his executive powers again...idiot.

Dennis

April 7, 2008, 3:36pm (report abuse)

How many times have we heard of immigration reform only to find out later it was never enforced, or it was just a cover-up to give the impression something is being done. We already have strick immigration laws. The politicians in Washington, both republicans and democrats have no intention of enforcing the laws or securing our borders. If you believe this bill will change things, you are living in a dreamworld.

Steve

April 8, 2008, 12:32am (report abuse)

This solves nothing. Like Bob below said its about the money and to hell with the people. Also if companies of any size do, do any off the books pay this bill is worthless. Second Under 100 employed that is covering a load of employers quite possible the number one group employing illegals(source needed.) And how are we supposed to pay for this sh*t when our nation is in debt and going though huge economic problems. The common citizen is going to loose out again and have less privileges as to how they believe they can run there life.

Shannon

April 15, 2008, 5:50pm (report abuse)

All the hype about ".we have to have a comprehensive immigration reform.." is just an excuse to tack on more amnesty for those who CHOSE to come her illegally. We tried this back in 1986, gave them all amnesty & said we would enforce the laws. We didn't & now we have a huge population of illegal immigrants here that are overcrowding our cities, schools & hospitals, using more in govt benefits than they pay in taxes, & instead of embracing American culture & society we are being told to just accept it because it's the pc thing to do. I have no issue with those who wish to come here thru the legal process. It's up to us as citizens to hold our govt accountable to make sure that they enforce the laws. Do your part by going to numbersusa.com to fax all your reps. If you compare our immigration policies to most other functioning countries, you'll find that most have much harsher policies than us & understand that you can't just open up the borders to everyone who wants to come.

RMB

April 20, 2008, 1:32am (report abuse)

This bill does nothing to address the root causes of immigration, and undocumented immigration in particular, instead wasting money to keep us "safe". From whom? Last time I checked, none of the terrorists who have attacked the U.S. were Latino. Also, those of you from Cali who are complaining that your state is turning into Mexico: your state WAS Mexico to begin with. Just a little FYI.

copihue

April 20, 2008, 2:43am (report abuse)

This is a misguided bill which will negatively impact all people in the United States, not just undocumented immigrants, but citizens as well. It will put 12.7 million citizens (number provided by the Social Security Administration) at risk of losing their jobs because of the high error rates in the database. It will also put a stamp of approval on detaining CHILDREN in questionable conditions (see Hutto facility in Texas). It will deepen mistrust of law enforcement in immigrant communities, further eroding public safety for all. Finally, it would put religious and humanitarian workers behind bars for so-called "alien smuggling", what some would call being a Good Samaritan.

LOS

April 23, 2008, 10:02pm (report abuse)

What i Think is that Americans are afraid because "us" hispanics are TAKING OVER .. yup datz right we TAKING OVER People we multiplying and coming here non stop!... THe us is a land of inmmigrants all you people came from other countries maybe not exactly you but ur ancestors and now you call the U.S. your country and try to kick other people out who jus come kere to work and have a better life then in our home countries... but hey our countries aint doing much or should i say nothiing at all to make living conditions better so why not go to another country the only way they can "illegaly" and work in low payin jobs and still making 10 times as much then in our home countries.. BLaH too much and soo much to say for nothing, you people are just close minded.... but one thing is yall aint gettin rid of us thas for sure!

Heh

April 24, 2008, 2:28am (report abuse)

The above comment is a classic example of the contempt and disrespect many illegal aliens show regarding the sovereignty of The United States of America, and is just another reason why this bill needs to become law. A country has immigration laws for the benefit of the country, not the immigrant.

John Thomas

April 27, 2008, 9:11pm (report abuse)

As time has shown, the opponents of amnesty in 1986 were dead on target and the proponents had successfully used another ploy to gain advantage even though they knew in advance there would be no enforcement. Such political betrayal is why there is such opposition to amnesty again.

As far as limiting the first phase of enforcement to companies with over 250 employees, why not simply place a bar 6’ above ground at the border and prohibit all Mexicans from entering who can’t walk under it while standing upright?

Do any Congressmen have any clue about life in the real world? Specifically, the vast majority of employers are small operations with fewer than 100 employees.

The SAVE Act “Enforces Current Laws”? What?! Where in current immigration law is there a grace period of more than four years? Where is there a limit of over 250 employees?

To repeat, “Such political betrayal is why there is such opposition to amnesty again.”

theantibush

April 30, 2008, 7:07pm (report abuse)

I have read the act and it is amazing that Congress came up with it, given its commonsense approach to our broken border security, rampant identity thefts, and floods of illegal immigration. Amazing!

theantibush

April 30, 2008, 7:18pm (report abuse)

copihue wrote:

"... will negatively impact all people in the United States...It will put 12.7 million citizens ... at risk ... high error rates in the database. It will also put a stamp of approval on detaining CHILDREN...”

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Your assessment is inaccurate.

H.R. 4088 directly addresses the security and sovereignty of the United States, and would efficiently identify persons engaged in illegal employment, identity theft, and unlawful presence in the United States.

H.R. 4088 provides for discrepancies and mismatches in the federal databases, and provides for their correction in section 202.a and 202.b of the bill, in addition to providing for a phase-in over a 4-year span (Sec. 201), under Title-II.

As for humanitarian concerns, there are penalties for breaking a nation's laws, for all persons. Prisons are full of US citizens who decided to break the law, and their families and CHILDREN suffer the consequences of their personal decision to do so.

US indigenous

May 2, 2008, 4:13pm (report abuse)

round'em all up and herd them to desolate location and teach them english by force.

another suggestion would be for us "north" americans to start invading mexico.

have pregnancy tests done prior to entering US or when caught. if caught, they should be detained until they go into labor and then dropped off in mexico city.

baron52

May 5, 2008, 6:48pm (report abuse)

H.R. 4088 is a Trojan Horse. It contains much of the same language as other immigration (amnesty bills) of the last two years. It calls for a virtual fence, not only along the Mexican border but around the international and maritime borders of the United States,a security perimeter.

See Sec. 111 and Sec. 104.

Bush is also urging Congress to pass the Merida Initiative, put together in secret at the Department of State. It will help Mexico secure its border, including its southern border with Belize and Guatemala.

Canada is working on its portion of the virtual fence. When completed and certified, a common security perimeter will exist around North America, allowing for the eventual free flow of citizens and commerce throughout the continent, a corporate state, with governing institutions, two of which are already in place.

See raykania.com and thesigintreport.com, "George Bush's Merida Initiative: Legislation to Merge North America" Feb 14, 2008 archives

Ariztophanes

May 9, 2008, 3:07am (report abuse)

About the only "good" argument against the bill is the one about the 12 million "errors" in the database:

Those are 12.7 million instances of ILLEGALS using SSNs of others ILLEGALLY. I've SEEN no-match letters, and have heard the explanations from the SSA: "This employee has an SSN of an 8-year old girl in another state." So the illegal runs off to get ANOTHER social security card with ANOTHER fraudulent SSN, and the SSA takes another year to send A DIFFERENT NO MATCH LETTER.

This is how you FIX the errors: Make the person using the number illegally GO HOME.

jst

June 9, 2008, 7:39am (report abuse)

I have seen total abuse of fake SSN and what they claim as dependents on taxes. More astonishing is they can get a refund. Not to mention all the free(American paid) medical and food. Stop wasting paper/stamps....send agents out for random checks. This will catch illegal immigrants and employers both! Just a thought

Show Mercy

June 10, 2008, 8:04pm (report abuse)

Even the Native Americans immigrated to what is now the US. US history has continued to block ethnic groups. From the Irish,Southern Europeans, Chinese,Jews,Africans,and now Hispanics.Do you know/care how hard it is to get a Visa especially if you are from Mexico. WE ALL CAME HERE FOR A BETTER LIFE!If any of you lived their lives, you would jump whatever obsticles to make a better life for you, your family. Make VISA's simplier, allow supply/demand equalize everything.Mr. Bush tear down that Border...

concerned citizen

July 3, 2008, 3:43am (report abuse)

for all those people that are complaining about mexicans "taking" jobs. Newsflash they are unwanted jobs. first of all i want to see an american picking fruit at 5 am i want to see an american mowing the lawn in almost 100 degree weather i want to see an american work 12 hoursa day in a factory .....wake up to reality people and stop discriminating. ANd no!! mexicans or do no have diseases you poeple make them sound like they're infected

Marcus Claudius

July 14, 2008, 4:06am (report abuse)

I'm a European,and i guess all most of haters here are just a bunch of US losers and morons,When you guys would begin to understand that Mexicans they don't give a damn if you guys deport them,And who would gone sustain the low job from US if these law would take effect and deport mass illegals back to their mother land all most of them been South Americans,Are you guys the white slums of US would gone work hard to sustain the empty low jobs? US economy is all ready in ruin,all need is to start to deport those people back in home and US would have recession chaos,These people would not have a problem,they would chose other destinations like Europe

Jonathan Barth

July 19, 2008, 6:48pm (report abuse)

Why set aside millions to pay more newly appointed Federal Judges, when we can't get Congress to even put the current list of judges up to a vote? Let's get than done first to show that Congress is capable of acting on something.

luckypuck

August 1, 2008, 6:12am (report abuse)

All this hate. All this venom. All this acrimony. And for what? The "illegal" in "illegal immigration" is, after all, only a misdemeanor. That's right, a misdemeanor. Like a speeding ticket.

I'll bet the majority of mean-spirited racists replying here have broken the speed limit time and time again. Indeed, you've probably broken the law, willing to risk the insignificant consequences (at least in part) for the same reason immigrants take that risk: Years of law enforcement looking the other way because it's just not a big deal, and light punishment when they are caught (like pleading "faulty equipment"). A misdemeanor.

You all act like immigrants coming "misdemeanorly" into this country for a better life for their families is a stone cold felony that should be punishable by death. Probably you'd like it to be by stoning . . . especially if you could throw some. Taliban, anyone?

For shame.

Pbone

August 21, 2008, 12:58am (report abuse)

Matt - Why do you say the following? I read those sections, and it seems only prudent to give border patrol personnnel the equipment they need...You: "Might be a good law, but I am not in anyway in favor of section 102 or 103, these sections are really, really bad for americans, make sure you read them the rest of the bill seems viable"

I'm missing what prompted you to reject these 2 sections.

Ernest

August 28, 2008, 9:02pm (report abuse)

Going after the employers is the best enforcement tool. But it should not be limited to the companies but should also include fines and jail time CEOs, CFOs, and Owners.

After noticing small camps of what appears to be illegals camped near oil field drilling and production sites, I agree that companies must be held accountable.

P. D'Antonio

September 5, 2008, 12:44pm (report abuse)

Last year I met an English-speaking Mexican woman who lived in Anaheim. She had five children. She had never been married. She had never had a job. She had never been homeless. She had never been separated from her children. She was extremely proud of being at-home mother, apparently one of the 40 (?) million chosen few who have been coming to the United States in droves since 1985. They should build a prison in Tiajuana with a childcare facility for the their children under 13 and deport all illegal aliens to it to await the outcome of their INS hearing. The only exceptions should be parents with children currently enrolled in our high schools.

JANA

September 13, 2008, 7:16pm (report abuse)

This bill will put us all under more goverment control. I work in goverment controlled work place and I see on a daily basis what this will do.

Linda

December 31, 2008, 8:33pm (report abuse)

Many of the illegals didn't come through the "boarder". Many once came here legitimately, either through a student or working visa. The issue is these people decide to stay after their visas have expired. I know first hand that in the early 1990's the employer I was working for while I worked to pay my tuition was hiring people from Ireland. He received tax breaks and was even paying these Irish workers more than he was paying the American workers. If that wasn't enough, later he received a grant and more tax breaks (also from the US gov't) to open an office in Ireland. Now if this is offered to a rinky-dink company in Boston, think of what the US gov't is doing for all the big conglomerates.

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