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H.R. 4071, The Disabled Veterans Right to Commissaries and Space Available Travel Act (75 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits: view article ↓)

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H.R. 4071 would amend title 10, United States Code, to support disabled veterans by extending military commissary and exchange store privileges to such veterans and their dependents and by authorizing space-available travel on military aircraft for such veterans and their dependents.

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Hector Rosario

December 2, 2007, 5:56pm (report abuse)

I am 100% permanent disabled but I am ambulatory (I can walk). In fact the Social Security turned me down for disability (I can work!). They should consider each case, depending on doctor input. I should have this benefit.

Gerald Tyree

January 13, 2008, 5:14am (report abuse)

I am 100% and would like to see this bill passed for much needed use for the disabled vets and their dependent spouses. we did serve our country and go to war.

Some of us were able to come back from a far away land back to the USA, thankfully here.Hopeing this bill will pass.

BILLY THORNBURG

January 29, 2008, 9:03pm (report abuse)

I am 50% permanent disable at this time. I sure I will get worse as time goes by from agent orange and dibetis w/insulin from veitnam. Anyway this bill will not cost much to pass compared to good it will do the vets in of a little help Thanks

Roxie Lisovsky

February 7, 2008, 4:11pm (report abuse)

In a Military Medical Retention Board, once a determination of physical unfitness and eligibility for disability compensation is made, the Soldier's disability is rated using the Department of Veterans Affairs Schedule for Rating Disabilities, DoD Instruction 1332.39, and AR 635-40, Appendix B.

Any disability rating of 30% or higher qualifies a service member for Medical Retirement.

Those veterans who have a VA-determined Service Connected Disability rating of 30% or higher should have the same access to benefits and entitlements as their Medically Retired counterparts, as according to percentage scale.

Elio Amici

February 27, 2008, 1:15pm (report abuse)

It's a win win situation not only for the veterans with a 30% or more disability but also for the economy also if passed.

VETSETTER

March 17, 2008, 5:00pm (report abuse)

Wheras I generally support this resolution, I would rather see us direct our support towards HR 1477 or 2495. The commissary privileges are a no cost benefit whereas the Space A has an associated cost. The other bills are more likely to find full support than this one. The problem with all of these bills are that some veteran's groups do not feel that someone who is not 100% disabled or did not put in their 20 should be entitled (boo) and that the DOD is concerned about security in allowing so many civilians to go on base (BOO) Don't they realize that these are the same people who fought and sustained injury for their cause? WE MUST VOCALIZE THIS TO CONGRESS! Please write your representatives and congresspersons to let them know how important this is and to help change their minds about pushing this kind of legislation through!

KBS

March 24, 2008, 3:13am (report abuse)

Space A doesn't really have an associated cost.

Space A is seating that is on a scheduled military flight where seats are opened up to allow for Space A travel.

So, if it's a scheduled military flight in the first place, how does offering seats up for Space A travel cause the government or DoD an additional (or any cost) cost??????

Alex

March 25, 2008, 2:14pm (report abuse)

I sure wish this legistration for space A travel will past. I am a disabled veteran. I always wanted to travel around the world on these MAC flights.

VETSETTER

March 25, 2008, 3:20pm (report abuse)

KBS, the cost is associated with additional fuel, etc. An empty plane costs less to fly than a full one...for each $150 lb adult plus bags, you have to use that much more fuel in take off and flight. Don't get me wrong though, I am not against this bill, though I feel that HR 1477 and 2495 are more likely to gain support for this reason.

vet69271

March 28, 2008, 7:19pm (report abuse)

this type of bill has been floating around in both the senaqte and the congress for many years now. last year congress mandated that dod and the va get together and tell congress why this bill shouldn't be passed (or should be passed (it was dropped into the military appropriations bill.) they were given until 1-07 to deliver this report to congress. as far as i can tell they never reported or got an extension. Who is running this country anyway?

RKepner

April 16, 2008, 3:21pm (report abuse)

How do we find the contacts for the members of the subcommittee so that we can personally lobby them by telling our individual stories. I know it makes a big difference when they hear real stories.

VETSETTER

April 22, 2008, 12:06pm (report abuse)

You can call the Staffers...they keep a tally of the calls and to what they were pertaining and/or can point you in teh right direction. You'd need to call the House Armed Services Committee, Subcommittee on Military Personnel Staff line at (202) 225-7560.

Jerry

May 6, 2008, 5:51pm (report abuse)

Google: House Subcommittee on Military Personnel for connections. I've written many Senators about HR:2495. My response is always "it's in the House Subcommittee on Military Personnel" like if it's ever gonna get dug out from under the bottom of the pile. Funny, when duty calls we "POP TALL", yet when there is something free proposed for the American Vet...Gov't drags their feet as usual. Who elects these idiots anyway? With all the new Vets out there now, perhaps more voices will be heard and someone will pass this on to the next step!

Jackie3

May 9, 2008, 1:58am (report abuse)

I would like for this bill to pass I'm 30% service connected It would myself and others as well. We all serived our country and I think this should me a right we need.

WDarrett

May 13, 2008, 5:51pm (report abuse)

I'm rated with 30% service connected disabilities, and soon to go up. The hardship and the cost of living we’re facing today as well as the rising cost of food, gasoline, and other necessities, it’s only practical for this Bill to be passed at this critical time in our lives. We Veterans would greatly benefit from this bill being passed. The passing of this Bill will also help the Moral, Welfare and Recreation (MWR) fund. It is time to start looking deeply into helping us Veterans who have sacrificed so much, this really isn't asking for much - just a little help that will benefit and get us through. I bet if this was a Congress/Senator service connected Bill it would have passed with no problems long ago. Tells you what they really do think about us service-connected Veterans! Maybe we need to get the people of the United States involved to vote on this Bill since it seems it’s going no where in the Senate!

KBS

May 16, 2008, 2:39am (report abuse)

VETSETTER, was aircrew for 25 years in airlift, we rarely had that many Space A travelers on any mission to begin with, so to assume a massive influx of new travelers causing large increases in aircraft gross weight, therefore causing additional fuel consumption becuase of this legislation, would probably not be the case and is argueable at best.

Our airlifters spend countless flight hours each year on orietation flights for civilians, we can afford the fuel costs for that and not our service connected disabled veterans?????

Our service connected disabled veterans deserve every benefit we can afford them.

John Bannan

May 24, 2008, 7:39am (report abuse)

You never know how much good will can be generated by helping disabled veterans by giving them benefits like space A. Even though being disabled, if the chips are down, you might be surprised how much a disabled Veteran might be able to do for their Country if the desire is there, because of a loyalty extended to the Veteran by the Government.

RFEvans

June 2, 2008, 11:11pm (report abuse)

I find it appaling that the Commissary benefit is not extended to all service connected disabled vets. As a permanent commissary employee, I cannot shop there, even with an 80% rating! Makes me sick to my stomach sometimes.

GWC

June 3, 2008, 10:16pm (report abuse)

Is this bill dead - it is JUne "08 and I have nothing about this????

kstein94

June 4, 2008, 3:21am (report abuse)

From the FY09 National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 5658)

"Disabled Veterans Access to Commissaries and Exchanges:

DOD is directed to study the feasibility of expanding the group of veterans allowed to shop at commissaries and exchanges to include those rated from 30% to 100% disabled."

Wild Bill

June 4, 2008, 12:21pm (report abuse)

The funny thing about our esteemed officials (Yes, I use that term loosely) dragging thier feet on passing this, the bill for the PX and Commisary wouldn't cost any more money, it would actually GENERATE MORE INCOME for MWR!!!

VETSETTER

June 4, 2008, 3:28pm (report abuse)

FY09 Natoinal Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 5658) report states that the SecDef must supply a report of consideration for Disabled Veterans Access to Commissaries and Exchanges by the end of March, 2009. Looks like this won't even be considered until next congress.

newvet

June 14, 2008, 5:39pm (report abuse)

The commissary and PX should be able to all veterans. It's a shame that once you leave the military, they don't care. I hope they pass this bill.

Red Scorpion

June 18, 2008, 5:29am (report abuse)

It should be a right for Disabled vets to use the commissary, exchange, and space A travel. Why is this bill not a high priority? Let's take care of our veterans after their sacrifice and service to country.

Larry R

July 1, 2008, 1:16am (report abuse)

This bill clearly makes alot of sense. Given the sacrafices that we have made, more specifically when served our country and some of us took lost money by being in the Military. The Commissary issues is a no should be supported by all. It will only allow the Veteran to come to the commissary to spend money. What is the problem. As far as space available, you can be sure that you will not have a run on government flights.

Pass the Bill

W Goold

July 22, 2008, 1:06am (report abuse)

I am a disabled Vet, and also concidered disabled by Social Security as well, I gave away some good years of my life to the Gov, and with the so called great influx of cash they think they are giving my family of five, we strugle every month to make ends meet. I have had to fight with the VA for my rating and fight with SS admin for SDI, I gave my time to them freely. Give a Vet a break, do we have to fight for everything we get from the Government. Being able to get food from the Commissary won't break our Government It might actually make it look good for once in a LONG while. Cough it up it won't kill you.

Charlie

August 21, 2008, 5:02pm (report abuse)

"Deserve" is a much overused word. You did not earn it. Seems like another one of those "gimme gimme" kinds of appeals.

don ledbetter

August 21, 2008, 5:40pm (report abuse)

I served my country for almost 8 years and was forced out, even though I could do my job. My wife went back to Turkey where I had married her, If I would of had rights for air travel, she would still be here, and now my service connected disability is getting worse. I definitely fill I am entitled to benefits as my rating goes abouve 30 percent.

Charlie

August 21, 2008, 6:00pm (report abuse)

You are afforded the VA benefits. If your service-connected condition is getting worse talk to the VA.

Do you actually believe the American people should subsidize everything else for you as well?

tetvet

August 25, 2008, 10:02pm (report abuse)

Why hasn't this bill been passed? It will cost nothing to pass, and make life a little easier for those on VA disability pension!

Chris

August 26, 2008, 2:24am (report abuse)

If this bill passed, it would be a relief for those who are having a hard time making ends meet in this economy. For many, VA disability may be their only source of income, forcing them to live at or below the national standard. Any relief from monthly expenses (and taxes) would be helpful.

Charlie

August 27, 2008, 8:16pm (report abuse)

Perhaps this bill has not passed because it is not a good idea.

Chris

August 27, 2008, 8:21pm (report abuse)

If you think shopping at the BX and commissary would save a lot of money you need to ask someone who shops there on a regular basis. If there is any amount of driving required to get to a post or base you will find that what little savings there were are eaten up by the cost of gasoline.

Patrick

September 10, 2008, 6:43pm (report abuse)

If you serve and receive 30% disability you should receive privilages why not. You put your time in and put your life on the line for this great country. If they let people come in and not pay taxes for five years why can't we take care of our own!!

tetvet

September 12, 2008, 7:11pm (report abuse)

Anytime you can save a penny, it's worth it! The bill is a great idea! Charlie sounds like one of those fortunate ones that either "GOT" the chance to retire from the military,or one that never served! Millions of "Disabled" Vets never had the luxury to retire, but still gave some, and many gave all!

jrbug

September 25, 2008, 8:01pm (report abuse)

Who the hell is charlie?

cr

October 2, 2008, 12:50am (report abuse)

The problem is that the House of Representatives, the Senate only work about 2 days per week if were lucky. So how can anything get done. I think Veterans rated at least 50% should be entitled to Commissary and Space A Travel. And if a Veteran is rated at 100% they should be receiving Disabiliy retirement from DOD as a concurrent payment from both VA and DOD. It is wrong when a Veteran has to fight for 7 years with a VA disability claim, and then have to hire a Military Law Attorney to get the records corrected to receive benefits.

river patrol 68 69

October 9, 2008, 1:21am (report abuse)

i am 100% i go to commissary sometimes,but you can buy some groceries and other items just as cheap at wally world (wal mart)after paying taxes gas on base is higher also.the bill on space available flights has been introduced to congress and senate about 9 years now ,so dont count on it getting passed

river patrol 68 69

October 9, 2008, 1:25am (report abuse)

jrbug if you have to ask who charlie is i know you have not been there.

BLACKSHEAR

October 10, 2008, 4:52pm (report abuse)

IT IS NOT RIGHT FOR RETIRED RESERVE PERSONELL TO BE ABLE TO USE COMMISARIES AND BX AND OTHER MILITARY PRIVELAGES LIKE BUYING GAS ON BASE. WHEN SOME OF THEM HAVE NEVER FOUGHT IN A WAR AND THEY ONLY SERVED ONE WEEK-END A MONTH AND 2 WEEKS ONCE A YEAR ACTIVE DUTY FOR A TOTAL OF ONE MONTH A YEAR TO BE EXACT 38 DAYS PER YEAR.WHEN WE VIETNAM VETS. SERVED ON AN AVERAGE OF 365 DAYS PER YEAR AT AN AVERAGE OF 12 MONTHS PER YEAR.

Chris

October 19, 2008, 6:46pm (report abuse)

Blackshear,

You better get your head out of your rear-end and look around. The reservists are spending a hell of a lot more time in the fight than you aver did.

BILL

October 25, 2008, 9:43pm (report abuse)

WE SHOULD HAVE FRAGGED BIG MOUTH CHARLIE!

Mason

October 26, 2008, 4:50pm (report abuse)

Careful Bill, that kind of talk can get you in trouble.

no_lion

November 6, 2008, 6:34pm (report abuse)

According to the polls, 60% are against this legislation, yet over 90% of the responses favor the bill's passage. This tells me that either the opponents are cowards, or the voting is seriously flawed. I suspect that the one or two bitter people who have been vocal on this board are voting multiple times to throw off the poll.

Charlie

November 7, 2008, 1:58am (report abuse)

From what the webmaster has said on other forums it is difficult to vote more than once from the same computer. I don't know one way or the other but it seems like you may be looking for a way to justify why the opposition appears to be so strong.

LD

November 14, 2008, 12:27am (report abuse)

Wake UP, we are throw aways, our Goverment said they would take care of us,give us benifits and good care, but instead they just used us and flipped us to the bottom of the barrel and just keep cutting our benifits and taken away alot of our promises of care and treated as a third class citizen, we have given so much for our country and some their lives, for what ? We deserve to be treated as a equal with our Military Brother, but we are labeled as Disabled Vets, like a disease that the Goverment does not want to here from, I am a 100% Disabled Vet, we need to be heard not stomped out,and fight another fight for our rights and benifits on H.R 4071, it has taken too long for the action from our so called Goverment Officals to act on our behalf

For LD

November 14, 2008, 6:48am (report abuse)

If you are truly a 100% disabled veteran you are already eligible for the commissary benefit. So get off your soap box and go get an ID card. DA!

AT3

November 14, 2008, 3:43pm (report abuse)

FYI: The webmaster openly admits that vote-rigging does occur and is quite possible with limited effort, but acknowledges that it defeats the purpose of the poll and proves nothing...kind of like a little kid who cheats at solitaire! Some people have too much time on their hands, others spend thier time trying to provide for their family despite their disability.

.

November 15, 2008, 1:57am (report abuse)

And some spend a great deal of time whining about their lot in life.

LD

November 25, 2008, 4:42am (report abuse)

I do have my ID card and I use all the time, the prices in the commissary have risen so high you can buy off base cheper on a lot of things, but the benifits at the Va Hospital is being cut more and more, and the treatment is not of the best quality, and it takes for ever to get to see the Doctor,now the Va is getting contract Doctor's to do the work in the Va Hospitals, and a lot ofthe people need to be seen earlier than the 6 months waiting list.

For LD

November 25, 2008, 8:33pm (report abuse)

I don't understand what you are getting at with the medical care problem. A veteran who is not retired from service will not receive medical care if this bill passes. The only thing they would get is exchange/commissary and space-A, none of which are worth a great deal anymore.

SnobbyPit

November 26, 2008, 9:14am (report abuse)

I am a 100% disabled vet and could definitely use the space a benefit.

Hope HR 4071 gets passed soon.

Kudos to Rep. Bob Filner for fighting the good fight for us.

For SnobbyPit

November 26, 2008, 8:40pm (report abuse)

Have you investigated the availability of space-A travel. There is not much available and what there is usually goes to places far out of the mainstream. I suppose if you wanted to travel to someplace like that by C130 turboprop you would be happy with it. Otherwise it's about worthless to anyone.

SnobbyPit

November 29, 2008, 11:15am (report abuse)

Actually while I was AD USMC I DID USE SPACE A. I found it VERY AVAILABLE and due to my California location, with PLENTIFUL options...I would love to fly overseas again to see family etc..

I have nothing but time, It would be great for my morale as well as fellow disabled vets that have given a part of themselves to our great country.

Semper Fi

Greg

December 2, 2008, 10:08pm (report abuse)

For those who have written they are VA rated 100% disabled, you already hve this privilage, contact your local VA office to get your ID cards, this bill will offer to others that are not 100%.

Karl

December 4, 2008, 6:11am (report abuse)

With Screaming Tinnitus from five locations seemingly inches just outside my head, I'm awarded a 10%disability. A purple heart valued to hang on the x-mas tree. The percentages suggested here to qualify if this measure ever passes is but another slap in my face for ever putting my life on the line.

Karl

December 4, 2008, 6:31am (report abuse)

The VA has lowered their disability percentages for injuries once rated much higher. The negative votes you see here come from the vast majority of diabaled Vets that will not qualify simply because of the low percentage awarded them, including myself.

For Karl

December 5, 2008, 2:18pm (report abuse)

You certainly sound bitter. Could it be that you actually receive what is right, just not what you wanted?

For SnobbyPit

December 5, 2008, 4:50pm (report abuse)

You would find that your travel priority is much lower now that you are not on active duty. Many of those seats you found available as an AD member are not available now because AD has priority for seats. The reduced number of flights also contributes to the lower number of seats available across the board.

SnobbyPit

December 7, 2008, 6:43am (report abuse)

And there were times when flying out of Travis AFB the C-5 was less than half full. It would be a hit or miss proposition, I know this.

Like I said, I have nothing but time.

If ANYONE deserves the opportunity to fly space available disabled veterans do.

SilverFox

December 10, 2008, 6:49pm (report abuse)

Any Vet who served and was disabled to any degree because of or due to military service should have the RIGHT to these proposed and so called "benefits" of service. I am a 100% disabled VietNam Vet

Reno

December 10, 2008, 9:15pm (report abuse)

We all need to contact ALL the Veteran Service Organizations(VFW,AMVETS, A Legion, Disabled Vets, Vietnam Vets Of America, ETC>.,ETC.) and TELL them to get off their buts and supports us all in fighting for our rights like Space A travel. Spread the word.

Reno

MACV SOG

NAM '67-'68

A vet

December 11, 2008, 5:52am (report abuse)

And just why do you think these things are your "rights"? All I see are a bunch of whiners who think they are owed everything. Get over yourselves and get a life.

SnobbyPit

December 12, 2008, 3:34am (report abuse)

I think "a vet" hasn't served a day in his/her life.

Especially in combat...

A vet

December 12, 2008, 3:09pm (report abuse)

SnobbyPit,

Just goes to show your ignorance - I spent 26 months in Vietnam, nearly all of it in the bush. I deal with my disabilities on a daily basis and I still do not think any of us disabled vets have a "right" to use the base facilities.

John Welton

December 12, 2008, 7:29pm (report abuse)

I am a 100% DAV and have been praying for this travel authorization for me and my wife. It would make it possible for us to go see our son if/when he goes overseas and others in the military.

Please authorize this bill. Please.

John Welton Sr.

100 percent

December 13, 2008, 11:14am (report abuse)

I am a 100% also, I have been hoping for years this would be passed. I am on a tight budget. My family has no insurance. I would like to see other places but I can't really afford it. So really I am just waiting to die because there are few opportunities for myself and my family. You can only watch so much tv, so much computer. It's not my fault. But I do have dreams. My family is also scattered all over the world because of 3 generations of military men. I will never be able to visit them again but atleast DoD personal and their families get to enjoy it... like they need it.

.

December 15, 2008, 2:51am (report abuse)

100 percent sais:

"DoD personnel and their families get to enjoy it... like they need it."

It sounds like you don't think it is right for DoD personnel and their families to have access to space available flights.

SnobbyPit

December 17, 2008, 9:21am (report abuse)

Troll....

Alaksa Vet

December 17, 2008, 6:41pm (report abuse)

I see alot of vets on here saying they are 100% and that you have been waiting for this bill to pass. If you are 100%, you already have these benefits, and more! Has no one ever told you about benefits for 100% vets? I think someone has been blowing smoke up your backside. 100%ers already have base access, commissary and PX privileges, Space A authorizations, etc... This benefit bill is for those less than 100%.

SnobbyPit

December 18, 2008, 7:03am (report abuse)

Alaska Vet...

You are sadly misinformed, 100% DAV

ARE NOT authorized space a travel.

That is what this bill HR 4071 is trying to establish.

100% DAV can fly Coast Guard, but not DOD.

100 percent

December 18, 2008, 12:57pm (report abuse)

100% DAVs holding a regular retiree ID card can fly Space A. Despite rumors to the contrary, 100 percent disabled veterans in possession of DD Form 1173 or 2765 (replaces the DD Form 1173) identification cards are not entitled to Space-A travel aboard DoD aircraft. Any changes to Space-A eligibility rules will be published as an immediate change to DoD 4515.13r and advertised accordingly (Reiteration HQ AMC/DONP 091704z Mar 99 and Reference PASSENGER SERVICE UPDATE DTG: 261800Z OCT 01 para 1.H). The DD Form 2765, "Department of Defense/Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card," is issued to sponsors, other than members of the military Services, who because of their current or previous association with the military Services, are entitled to Uniformed Services benefits and privileges. These individuals include Medal of Honor recipients and honorably discharged veterans rated by the Veterans Administration as 100 percent disabled from a Service-connected injury.

100 percent

December 18, 2008, 1:10pm (report abuse)

Basically thats saying even though I am 100 percent I am out of luck because I am not a retiree. So Alaska Vet you are incorrect in assuming I already get these wonderful benefits and PX benefit is not a blessing, their stuff is just as pricey as the malls unless you like cheap beer. As for DoD or active duty using Space A flights. I'd just like to say I tried space A when I was in the military I spent a week on a base because there was no connections,and wasted my leave. How many busy people are actually going to use these flights.

RALPH HOGSTEN

December 20, 2008, 3:32am (report abuse)

IN REGARDS TO COMMISSARY I CAN SHOP THERE BUT IT COST MORE THAN I CAN BUY FOOD AT AN OUTSIDE GROCERY AND WHEN I DID SHOP THERE THEY IMPOSED A 6/12% SURCHARGE. THE BASE EXCHANGE IS ABOUT THE SAME PRICE AS CIVILIAN STORES, BUT IT IS TAX FREE. GASOLINE IS SOMETIMES MORE ON BASE THAN IT IS OFF BASE. I AM 100% SERVICE CONNECTED. VA CARE IS REALLY FANTASIC. I REALLY THINK THE FOOD AND OTHER STORES ON BASE SHOULD BE LOT CHEAPER .THE GI S DONT GET MUCH OF A BREAK ON BASE HOPE THIS MAKES A LITTLE SENSE.

Dancingfly

December 21, 2008, 3:46am (report abuse)

go to this web site to read bill and comment copy and paste.

http://washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_4071.html

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