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H.R. 4437, The Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005 (353 comments ↓)

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H.R. 4437 would direct the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Social Security Administration (SSA) to extend and expand a system to verify the eligibility of certain people for employment in the United States. The bill also would require DHS to reimburse counties along the southern U.S. border for costs relating to the detention of illegal aliens, increase the number of border inspection personnel, deploy radiation portal monitors at ports of entry, and establish an Office of Air and Marine Operations within DHS. The bill would establish mandatory minimum prison sentences for a number of offenses relating to illegal entry into the United States and would establish civil and criminal penalties for such crimes. Finally, H.R. 4437 would make many other amendments to current law and changes to existing DHS procedures that aim to increase the security of U.S. borders.

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c_rob2k2@yahoo.com

January 26, 2006, 8:34pm (report abuse)

This bill is yet another attempt by a hand full of xenophobic americans to deter immigrants. While I understand that there is a need for urgent action against illegal immigration, I think this bill pushes it to an extreme. The U.S. of A has always been the land of immigrants, though a few so-called Americans tend to forget that their forfathers were not the original owners of the land. Actually, I think that this bill shoud be entirely dimissed, for it would cause unreparable damage to both sides of the balance.

x

February 10, 2006, 5:38pm (report abuse)

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patrickalctraz@aol.com

February 10, 2006, 11:58pm (report abuse)

...there is no more a prisoner than that country which would fence itself. Berlin had its wall destroyed, and there was good reason why Reagan called for its destruction. The Human Spirit is a marvel at triumph. We in the US have become so elitist that we think all outside our borders are soiled. That is as ridiculous a position as is the idea that we, the USA, hold a monopoly on goodness and greatness. Why post ourselves up for failure? America is not about fences. What's next, a fence in orbit to keep real aliens away? This is pathetic...

davecatbone

February 11, 2006, 1:41pm (report abuse)

The Berlin Wall kept prisoners IN - Our borders should keep illegals OUT. Legal immigration is fine. As a Nation, we have the RIGHT to protect our Sovereignty, and prevent the entry of anyone, anytime, who wishes to come here illegally. Liberals who hate and would destroy our nation want to change this, but freedom loving Americans will fight to protect our citizens from attacks from terrorists, drug smugglers, and those who would drain our country's resources without giving back in the manner all real citizens do, by paying taxes on what they earn. To the Libs who love Mexico so much, move there, and allow us capitalists to continue to WORK at achieving our goals, not expecting the government to give it to us after taking from someone else.

claud86sal

February 16, 2006, 8:44am (report abuse)

To davecatbone work is exactly what the illegal aliens want to do. And for your information most drug smugglers and terrorist come in through legal means. While your ignorance may keep you from seeing the real world let me inform you a bit more. You say that liberals should go to Mexico well that just shows how misinformed you are and points out your racism. The majority of immigrants come from Canada. Contrary to what everyone believes. And it's because of persons like yourself that this bill should not be passed. The first person you think of as illegal is a mexican when in fact there are more european and canadian illegal immigrants. But you just point to those who are darker skinned because they are easier targets. And as for draining our resources first of all let me say that is wrong also no surprise there. Illegals as well as citizens all pay sales taxes that is money that they are giving to the government secondly many illegals actually pay taxes if they didn't they wouldn't be given tax identification numbers. Maybe before you talk you should become more informed and if you think I'm wrong you can look it up yourself or you might just want to take my word for it since I am a political science major.

momto4ls

February 16, 2006, 7:41pm (report abuse)

claud86sal,

You sound very angry. Anger is a dangerous thing. True, there are illegal immagrants that come through the Canadian border - MORE? I don't think so. I want to see your sources for this information.

Next, if ILLEGAL immigrants have tax ID numbers they have gained them ILLEGALLY! All ILLEGAL immigrants that pay income tax for example do it under ILLEGALLY gained SS#s. They are pretending to be someone else! I don't know where you get your information, seeing as you are an almighty political science major, but my husband went through the process of LEGAL immigration to this country so I have seen the system at work. For those who have respect for this country, the system does work!

BREAKING THE LAW to enter this country shows a disrespect for the country of which they claim to want to be a part. If CITIZENS of this country break the law we prosecute them. Why should ILLEGAL immigrants be any different?

As for work - President Bush wants to make it available for those that want to work to come to this country LEGALLY. That is not the issue here - at issue here is the AMNESTY (complete forgiving - if you haven't studied that word in political science yet) of ILLEGAL immigrants to this country. This will become an incentive to ANYONE who wants to come here ILLEGALLY to try it! If you get in you might get to stay forever!

Those who "believe" that most people come through the southern border are living in those states that are having an influx of people through the southern border!! I don't hear anyone complaining of thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants following trails and walking over the border into Montana, do you? Hmmm, how about North Dakota? Nope, I don't think so. Please, if you could, I would like to see your resources for such a rediculous statement. This is not a racial issue. My husband is Hispanic. He works hard in the community to support and help legally immigrating Hispanics who need guidance.

One more clarification: ILLEGAL means CRIMINAL!! It is a criminal offense to come to this country without permission. It is a criminal offense to take or use someone else's SS#. We are not in the business of welcoming criminals with open arms.

capitalist

February 17, 2006, 6:51pm (report abuse)

I will add some wisdom from the book "In Defense of Global Capitalism"(2003) by Johan Norberg to this discussion.

"It is a profound error to regard immigrants as a burden on a country. They represent a manpower and consumption boost that leads to market growth. More immigration means more people to work, spend, and hatch new ideas. Seeing that as a problem makes no more sense than viewing increased domestic birth rates as a problem. So long as wages mirror productivity, there is no reason why this should create unemployment. Over the course of a lifetime, even those getting off to a poor start in a new country generally put more back into society- and the national treasury- than they get out of it. Far from being a drain on public resources, extensive research by the economist Julian Simon found that the average legal immigrant receives less from government and pays in a greater amount in taxes than the average native-born citizen. Though calculations for illegal immigrants are more difficult, even here Simon found a likely net benefit to the host society. Summing up his findings, Simon even estimates the rough dollar amount of benefit each new immigrant provides his host country:"

"Evaluating the future stream of differences as one would when evaluating a prospective dam or harbor, the present value of a newly arrived immigrant family discounted at 3% (inflation adjusted) was $20,600 in 1975 dollars, almost two years' average earnings of a native family (in 1975)...."

(pgs.148-149)

Another couple of things:

Tax ID #s are not synonymous with SS#s. You don't have to pose as someone else with a fake SS# to pay taxes.

The illegal = criminal argument is a circular argument which proves itself by semantics. (Why is the immigrant illegal? Because he broke the immigrantion law and is therefore a criminal. Why is he a criminal? Because the law says it is illegal for him to come here.) The important questions must penetrate deeper. WHY must it be illegal when America will experience increased wealth by their presence? (we have an aging population with huge numbers leaving the workforce, who will pay for Social Security?) WHY must they be illegal when it decreases national security to pay them attention instead of terrorists entering legally?

PS. You don't see trails of Canadians coming in across North Dakota because we have an open border with Canada- you don't have to sneak in or out. Plus, they are white and speak English.

claud86sal

February 22, 2006, 6:37pm (report abuse)

Thanks Capitalist for the support.

Esther B

February 23, 2006, 4:46pm (report abuse)

I am immigrant, I came here with many dreams and I thought the people would be nice and intelligent with the persons who want to work and live in peace.

Majority of us, have ours Tax ID numbers and every year we pay our taxes. We try to find the way for legalize our situation.

I like your country and I hope you permit us to stay here.

Thank you,

Esther

it is sad

March 1, 2006, 7:00pm (report abuse)

This great country is going to fall just like the great Roman Empire and the sleeping Giant is going to awake. With all these extreme bills. Every capitalist is afraid to see a Hispanic in political power. Look at L.A. the first Mexican-American Mayor. Next will be a U.S. President of Mexican born parents. That is why they want to pass this law.

To all capitalists every thing you own in your home was touched by a "so called illegal". Your food, clothes, car, make up, shampoo, jewelry, and etc.

This country will fall if all "so called illegals" returned to their native homes. Some of them own homes it may be legally or illegally. They would sell them and take the earnings with them. Sons and daughters of them will leave also.

There is sons and daughters of "so called illegals" That are in the armed forces and are fighting or have lost their lives at war.

All capitalists never analyze things before they act. They are selfish.

This country was stolen from our real fore fathers. We have more right being here than people with a European blood line

andy@yahoo.com

March 2, 2006, 2:28pm (report abuse)

This great country is going the same direction as the Germany during the NAZI. How many innocent lives will be sucriffied? Mr. Sensebrenner - we do not need another Hilter! Wake up Americans! Whatch who you wote for!!!

The sleeping giant

March 4, 2006, 12:59am (report abuse)

¡VIVA LA RAZA!

msal85

March 4, 2006, 1:04am (report abuse)

I think that HR 4437 is not going to benefit our country at all. Who is going to work at low wages? I know white or black people don't want to get paid minimum wage. Have you ever seen a white or black person picking fruits in the fields or working the nastiest job out there. HELL NO!!! This country should see how hard immigrants work, they do no harm to nobody. Immigrants are not always the criminals, U.S. Citizens also commit crimes like murder, rape, and other. why call Immigrants criminals, their only illegal act is coming to this supposely "free country" and they are getting treated like they don't make a difference.

jackR@hotmail.com

March 4, 2006, 3:19am (report abuse)

to think that the dictator in the white house actually has the power to remove 15,000,000+ undocumented aliens is a joke. Lets make one thing clear, there are tens of millions of legal latinos in the US who are not just going to sit back and watch the Bush followers remove these latinos. The main reason they hate latinos is because eventually when they become citizens latinos vote for the Democratic Party. Bush can't even take control of Bagdad, I would hate to see what 50,000,000 pissed latinos would do in the US.

Lets face it, everyone came from somewhere else, those who are here illegally are here without papers only because the racist immigration laws do not allow them in legally.

frankstevens@hotmail.com

March 4, 2006, 3:22am (report abuse)

Jack R, above message....

we are ready to defend "La Raza"...

All members of LULAC are present !!!

To david catbone or david duke whatever you want to be called

March 7, 2006, 12:17am (report abuse)

Your right we have the right as country to protect our own Sovereignty, but not at the expense of our fellow americans. America does not necessarily mean the U.S, since in fact mexico is part of the Americas, but it is sad that we are still thinking in primitive ways. If we call this a war against terrorism, we are not winning since those terrorist have caused to become extremely pranoid within our homeland. On another note Who are the majority of immigrants in this country? Those of latin America. These individuals have been the backbone of the workforce for this country for the last few decades, working jobs who no one like you wants to work. How are they draining our resources when don't apply for them, in fact they are contributing more to the economy by working and buying products in the U.S.

Ibid

March 7, 2006, 12:33am (report abuse)

....Viva La Causa

redsgobacktotexas

March 7, 2006, 2:10am (report abuse)

Quit thinking like racist dixicrats and start thinking like enlightened Europeans. Look what the Europeans did for Spain, Portugal and Greece in the 80s and 90s. We can do the same in this hemosphere.

Sk8rboy

March 7, 2006, 3:17pm (report abuse)

Look I don't think some of you understand.As a matter of fact some are just retarded.Sorry,But I lived in a border state.Furthermore,No I am now hispanic.But the fact is we are a land of laws.If we choose to turn our head we are guilty as them of breaking the law.That is why our countrry lacks a good work ethic.Because we let people break the law.Afraid that we might piss off the politically correct crowd.Thait,I'm out.

Viva La raza

March 7, 2006, 4:18pm (report abuse)

Let's show some support against this HR-4437 thsi is a very stupid bill that thery're tryng to aprove if for some reason they approve this bill. We will need to find a different name for United states

but that's not going to happen we'll stick together and win!!!

Cartman, South Park, CO

March 7, 2006, 9:36pm (report abuse)

It's an Afghanistan goat, so it can't stay here, or else it'll choke on the sweet air of freedom

Chicago MEXICAN

March 7, 2006, 10:29pm (report abuse)

We're have a march to protest this dumb bill in Chicago. March 10, 2006 @ Lake & Ashland 12 p.m. Anyone from Chicago come and represent or Raza Latina. ¡¡¡VIVA LA RAZA!!!

CHINESE-AMERICAN

March 8, 2006, 10:24pm (report abuse)

CHINESE COMMUNITY IS AGAINST THIS BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

United Merchants of Pilsen- Chamber of Commerce

March 8, 2006, 11:53pm (report abuse)

Our mission is to develop, advocate, and promote business growth by understanding and supporting the needs of the Pilsen community and culture. We will be present in The March against HR4437. Many businesses in Pilsen will close Friday, March 10th 10-6pm and are marching to express support in fighting for human dignity, the dignity of all immigrants, our sons and daughters, our future leaders, our workforce, our tax payers, and our consumers.

The House of Representives have passed it. HR4437 is currently being reviewed by the Senate for the second time and is up for debate.

Please visit The Immigrant Legal Resource Center www.ilrc.org. The ILRC works with immigrants and citizens to make critical legal assistance and social services accessible to all, regardless of income, and to build a society that values diversity and respects the dignity and rights of all people.

This law is horrid and would affect all immigrants in the most inhumane manner. HR4437 strips away his/her current rights by eroding due process, he/she is immediately categorized and processed as an aggravated felon. Why? HR4437 creates a new federal crime "unlawful presence" thereby criminalizing the undocumented immigration status as a criminal felony and it would be categorized under Aggravated Felony! He/she is then thrown in an already overcrowded prison to be further criminalized and wait for immediate deportation without any assistance e.g HR4437 reverses the burden of proof, HR4437 criminalizes those legal assistance centers, churches, hospitals, social services that assist immigrants. HR4437 will expand the duties of our police officers to become immigration enforcement agents.

Against HR4437

March 9, 2006, 12:31am (report abuse)

Hey isnt this how the conflict between the Jewish and Nazis began???

United Merchants of Pilsen- Chamber of Commerce

March 9, 2006, 12:35am (report abuse)

March against bill 4437 and fight for the dignity of all immigrants. Friday March 10th- 12noon- Union Park. Please dress in white expressing social justice and peace.

March will take place in Chicago at Union Park on Ashland and Lake at 12noon. We will March on Ashland to Jackson, Jackson to the Federal Plaza. Rally held at the Federal Plaza (Kluczynski Building) 230 S. Dearborn Street from 2pm-4pm. For more information call 773-523-8261.

The rights of all immigrants are in jeopardy. HR4437 Reverses the Burden of Proof e.g Immigrants must prove their innocence rather than the traditional system where individuals are innocent until proven guilty. We must voice our protest to the Senate and President against HR4437.

hispanic from chicago

March 10, 2006, 6:21am (report abuse)

This law needs to get passed. Why, everyone was screaming about kicking out all the illegal immagrants on Sept. 12, What happened. I personally don't agree with alot of things that President Bush does, but I do AGREE with this. If you kick out one set of illegal immagrants out, then kick every illegal alien out. I understant that alot of love one's are going to have to leave, but we can't have the cake and eat it too. If you don't like this bill, WHAT DOU YOU RECOMMEND? If you don't like this law, what law should we have to keep this country safe. Stop crying over what is unjust and come up with some ideas or don't say anythin. To Mr. Raza, If you love your raza so much, what have you done to help your raza? I'm not picking on anyone one,but you must look inside your self and say, What have I done to Help MY PEOPLE. On march 10 everyone is going to get in line to protest this law, but why because you want to live the American dream. Let me guess you are going to get a job, Where? And if you do for how much? You came to this country from your to feed your family, but have you ever thought in how we will feed ours.

Humbly YOURs(Chicago)

March 11, 2006, 5:17am (report abuse)

I think before we judge and criticize and draw conclusions ,WE should all take time and read HOW A HITLER came to power.This Bill has Hitlers Signature all over it.IT amazes me how the USA dictates to the WORLD how they should run and treat their people and YET is considering a Bill that mirrors the RIse of a THIRD REich.If this bill is ever pass I will not sit idle and wait until Fire and brimstone FALLS on me.ITS best to live POOR and Humble in a third world country and not in HELL.GOD BLESS."FOR I Was hungry and you feed me,For i Was thirsty and you gave me something to drink,,FOr I WAS cold and you clothe me"JESUS!

Mr. Sensebrenner - the NAZI?

March 11, 2006, 5:54am (report abuse)

Let's first kick out all thouse idiots from Capital who create such paranoic law. For so many years America allowed people to stay in this country, allowed them to get Social Security numbers, Driver Licence etc, and most of those undocumented immigrants were paying taxes, bought houses, opened businesses, and all those people have to ruin their lifes thanks to those IDIOTS so called "Republicans". Let us all get out of here. Did any of those "steam brains" ask THE INDIANS about permission to stay here? I have no further questions!!! God bless America!

3 D Graphics Signs, Graphics & Print

March 13, 2006, 5:40am (report abuse)

Hello People well all I have to say is "the sleepe giant is awake" more that 650.000.00 Mexicans, and all other comunity people asist on March 10 to "la Marcha" in Chicago Down Town. I respect this Country. Why? Because my son is born here. I been here since I was 10 years old I"M ILLIGAL. Not because I wanted to be. I'm illigal in this country because my Padre y Madre wanted me to have a better live in USA a land of freedon, that theirs in my country MEXICO.

I went to college. I'm graduated in medical ssistent management but because a SS# did not get a job. Now I have my own Signs company in Chicago, I'm 25 yrs old, I own a $ 275.000.00 house I do pay my Taxes with my Tax Id Number and my son is a Mexican American Kid the future of United States.

So we ( my self my family and my 5 employees ) are AGAINST the HR 4437

"Con Orgullo Mexicano"

U.S Resident (came here to stay)

March 13, 2006, 6:36am (report abuse)

This proves that everything everybody says is misrepresenting what this country is. A free country. A country where everyone that comes here no matter what race or nationality sees as a country where dreams are made. this is what we all came and come here for. And for those so called minutemen istead of standing around waiting to report immigrants why don't you get get a job. Get to work and stop blaming us (immigrants) from coming here to work and make a living. this shows how hard you work. The Minutemen are nothing but racist.

Where's the Media?

March 13, 2006, 7:52am (report abuse)

Look what happend. 100.000 people were protesting in Chicago (by far the biggest protest ever in this City) and national media are silent. SILENT??? Mayby IGNORANT like nothing happend, mayby scared. That's rediculous!!!

Thank you

March 13, 2006, 8:01am (report abuse)

Mr. mayor Daley, Mr. governor Blagojevich, Mr. congressman Gutierrez I want to thank you very, very much for your understanding and your support.

U.S. legal resident

Latina from Salinas CA born to once illegal Mexican Parents

March 13, 2006, 8:06am (report abuse)

For those of you that are from the Monterey Bay Area please come and support immigrants! Here is the information...

Protest against H.R. 4437!

Support immigrants! Support your community!

Wednesday, March 15th, 2006

@ 5pm in Dennis the Menace park in Monterey (Pearl St.)

March begins @ 6pm

As part of CSUMB, we need to truly support our vision statement. As students and faculty, we need to be the voice of the voiceless. As humans, we need to fight against injustice!

Bring noisemakers, signs, a coat, and the spirit to fight against social injustice! Everyone is welcome!

The recent legislation passed by the House of Representatives, H.R. 4437, criminalizes immigrants who are a vital part of making our country strong. According to H.R. 4437, they are deemed felons at the same time that their access to the courts is severely limited.

In addition to criminalizing a large part of immigrant communities, the bill criminalizes public schoolteachers, family members of immigrants, religious workers and community workers for ¿assisting¿ undocumented immigrants. This

bill is not in accordance with our values of democracy, diversity, and human rights.

The bill will affect over 11 million immigrants and millions more of our family members and communities and, as such, represents the harshest anti-immigrant bill in over a century. THE BILL GOES TO THE SENATE MARCH 27.

Kerry '08 supporter

March 13, 2006, 6:23pm (report abuse)

This bill is supported by trailer park conservatives.

We will bury you all and dance with your wives !!

This bill must not be approved by the senate.

Viva La Raza !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

almita072003@yahoo.com

March 13, 2006, 8:03pm (report abuse)

rob i dont think i could have said that any better.

almita072003@yahoo.com

March 13, 2006, 8:16pm (report abuse)

Also , i urge all of use to email our senates to not vote for the hr 4437. i hope they care about what people have to say because i have not met anybody that thinks this law is fair.

cookat45@yahoo.com

March 15, 2006, 4:32am (report abuse)

Come to the Cesar Chavez March Sunday March 26, 2006 Santa Rosa, CA 1:00 p.m. Meet at the UFW located at 1700 Corby Ave #D, Santa Rosa, CA 95407. March to court house square. For more info call (707) 528-3039 and/or rgarcia@ufwmail.com. VIVA LA RAZA, MARCH FOR JUSTICE, WE WILL WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

theapa@gmail.com

March 15, 2006, 10:34pm (report abuse)

.....I wonder who will do all the work Americans dont want???? In those cases have they though how this bill will affect the economy? This nation is sustained by labor immigration. These people need respect to their rights.

Maybe we need to stop working and they might see the consequences USA needs immigrants. But they should be treated with respect. We all are human beings, made out of flesh flesh that feels.

momto4ls

March 15, 2006, 10:39pm (report abuse)

Did you know that the same IRS provides this Id numbers for a fee??????? It takes 6 to 10 weeks to get them LEGALLY.

Legal turning felon

March 16, 2006, 12:29am (report abuse)

Of the many reasons to be horrified by this bill, I have focused on the one that would turn ME into a felon. I was born in the US to American parents, pay my taxes, etc but I am a social worker who works with a number of undocumented persons. I have arranged for some to go get mental health treatment, a bite to eat at a soup kitchen (contrary to popular belief most soup kitchens are 100% privately funded)or get access to dozens of other services. For helping a human being to live a better life so that they can be more productive life I could go to jail for 10 YEARS becuase this bill would classify me as an 'alien smuggler'.

This bill also makes a major shift in the way American courts do business. Our mantra has always been "Innocent until proven guilty." This means for immigration that the government must prove a person should be deported but HR 4437 would reverse that. THis places the onus on someone totally not in the position to get counsel or access to documentation necessary to satisfy the requirements laid out. The bill also DESTROYS judicial oversight and appeals processes. CHECKS AND BALANCES ANYONE?

Also, anti-immigrant groups seem to think that immigrants (documented or otherwise) are living it up. Immigration is BEYOND hell. When I was younger, my mother married someone from another country and immnigrated there. As her minor, dependant child, I tried to immigrate with her. However, a paperwork snafu saw me in immigration limbo for years before I was deported. At that point, I was too old to reapply as a dependant to redress THEIR mistakes. I'm lucky that I had somewhere that I could live without fear for my life or well-being.

Laura (Houston, TX)

March 16, 2006, 12:34am (report abuse)

This bill is not only morally wrong in every aspect, but it is illogical. Passing this bill will result in one of two scenarios. One, the "sleeping giant" finally rising and resisting the oppression through more aggresive means. Or two, pushing immigrants further underground where they will not only be the victims of crime, but you can expect the number of identities stolen and sold to the undocumented to rise. Either scenario is unfavorable for anybody. Also, how would have keeping individuals from working or becoming legal residents of prevented September 11 from happening? Efforts and funds should be concentrated in strengthening the very system that renewed the hijackers' visas even after 9/11 occured. This bill goes far beyond border protection and is only the stem of racism. I have visited many websites that favor this bill to see their points of view. So far, about 99% of these sites do not offer factual information on how this bill would actually protect this country, instead, they opt to make racist comments. During these times, the government's primary focus should be in protecting this country from terrorists who want to destroy this country rather than those who build it. Who rebuilt ground zero after 9/11? Guess what group of people is currently working on building New Orleans after the hurricane? Because of these politicians' racism and ignorance, the United States might end up in a deeper recession, or worse, in a civil war. Please see that this bill is ignorant and short-sighted; stand up against this oppressive bill before it is too late.

Bri, daughter of once illegal immigrants!

March 16, 2006, 2:40am (report abuse)

Help support our immagrant community by assisting a March against HR 4437, which I think is a ridiculous proposition.

The march will be held Saturday March 25th @10:00 a.m. in Downtown Los Angeles (Olympic & Broadway)

ChicanaTAS

March 16, 2006, 4:25am (report abuse)

Gracias to everyone who went and marched in Monterey tonight. It was a powerful and amazing experience. We all need to support each other so HR 4437 does not pass.

leelee

March 18, 2006, 6:36am (report abuse)

I came on a regular student visa to this country and obtained SS number and even a Tax Id. I took my driver license test in NYC. So I entered the country legally. Then I became pregnant my then fiance left me. My son was born here so he is a citizen. I have a bachelors degree and was working on my masters degree. I had to drop out of university because I just did not have the sufficient money to pay tuition and raise my son at the same time. So here I am an illegal alien. I am able to get small jobs and pay taxes but bigger cooperations usually ask for my green card that I of course not have. So it really sucks!

So here is the funny thing I do not qualify for a green card but because my son is a citizen we would qualify for welfare? So this means illegal alien that have children can get welfare but cannot get a green card to lawfully work and pay taxes ? I personally think the immigration system really sucks it just does not make any sense!

CHI-TOWN

March 19, 2006, 8:57pm (report abuse)

THIS MESSAGE FOR THE HISPANIC FROM CHICAGO.

YOU ARE A SELL OUT.

against H.R 4437

March 19, 2006, 11:26pm (report abuse)

What about the other part of this bill that eliminates the visa lottery that allows 50,000 immigrants to come here every year, legally? This bill doesn't only kick out illegals, it closes the door to those who dream of coming to "the Land of Opportunity." Does anyone remember what it says on the Statue of Liberty? Let me remind you:

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Did you read the last part? "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

If this bill is passed, they should also put a new sign on Lady Liberty: "No vacancies"

gooniehop@hotmail.com

March 21, 2006, 8:08am (report abuse)

If you were starving, if there was no work for you, if you had a family to feed...then you too would come to America. Legally, illegally...it wouldn't matter.

I am white. I live in Monterey County. I know that the food I eat was picked by a Latino/a and without those hands, I may not have fresh vegetables for cheap.

America, first, admit that you DEPEND on Latinos. Next, realize that they work hard. Really hard. Remember that they breath like you do, they have blood like you. Walk among them in the fields for one day. Listen to their stories of anguish, lonliness, and even death. Be among them for even a day, and then tell me that H.R.4437 is the right thing to do.

I am white, I am male, I am middle class, and according to our society, I need not concern myself with the Latino. But I realize that speaking up for the oppressed, in this case Latinos is a duty I cannot avoid because they are worthy of the same liberties and freedoms that the colonists sought in seperation from their oppressors. We cannot live under the freedom that someone else provided for us, and not extend the same freedom to others. America, the world is watching.

child of the light

March 21, 2006, 6:15pm (report abuse)

ok i understand the concerns relating to this item. but i have to clear something up with momto4ls...yes a lot of the immigrants have ss# that they use for taxes...some don't!

in the 80's a law passed and gave immigrants special numbers that they could use in order to do taxes. these numbers classified them as immigrants not as US citizens.

straight from the heart

March 21, 2006, 9:34pm (report abuse)

I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN BORN FROM IMIGRANT PARENTS. I FEEL SO STUPID THAT I HAVE ONLY FIRST HEARD OF THIS BILL TODAY.....JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE THIS BILL IS TO BE VOTED ON.....I AM UPSET THAT THIS COUNTRY REALLY BELIEVES THAT WE COULD SURVIVE WITHOUT THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT RESIDE HERE....I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BY KEEPING A CLOSER WATCH ON OUR BORDERS WE CAN KEEP THIS COUNTRY PROTECTED TO SOME DEGREE. BUT IS THIS DRASTIC MEASURE REALLY WHAT WILL BE THE ANSWER TO OUR MAIN PROBLEM...THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON THE CORE OF IMMIGRANTS.....HOW CAN WE SURVIVE WITHOUT THEM....THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON EXTENDING A HAND TO THOSE NOT AS FORTUNATE......HOW CAN WE STOP DOING THAT NOW...THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

408

March 22, 2006, 5:04am (report abuse)

THERE IS HISPANIC FAMILIES THAT HAVE LIVED HERE THERE ENTIER LIFES AND HAVE ESTABLISHED HERE IN THE US THAT ARE NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS OR RESIDENT AND HAVE ALREADY MADE A LIFE. ACEPPTING THIIS PROPOSITION WILL REWIN HISPANIC FAMILIES.

HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOUR MOM OR DAD OR ANY RELETIVE DID NOT HAVE DOCUMENTS YOU WOULD HAVE TO TURN THEM DOWN BECAUSE IF YOU DONT YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED A CRIMINAL.

PEOPLE THAT VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSITION ARE SAYING THAT DOGS ARE WORTH MORE THEN A HUMAN A DOG WONT BIULD YOU A HOUSE A DOG WONT CLEAN YOUR HOUSE A DOG WONT DO S***.

PEOPLE THINK BEFORE YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO TO MILLIONS OF FAMILIES. GOD MADE US TO BE ONE

ninia_mexicana

March 22, 2006, 4:52pm (report abuse)

Every day of my life I wish and pray and hope that I will get my papers soon. I am graduating from college soon and would like to use my degree in this country, with a social security number.

I want what all other 21-year-olds want: to have fun with family and friends and be successful. I have my life in front of me, a blank slate.

But for me, that slate is already tainted.

I would love it if my family and I got legalized. Not because I'm ashamed of who I am. Because it would make my parent's efforts and sacrifices worthwhile.

They left their home, their families, their cities, all things familiar to them to begin a new life in a country they'd never seen with people they never met. They brought me along to keep our family intact. And it has remained one strong unit.

I can't imagine the pain of leaving home because you don't have enough money to feed your own child.

I can't imagine the pain their sacrifices have brought onto them.

And they did it for me. All immigrant parents had the same drive and push behind them: their children.

I think it's time for us, the children of the migrants, to make them proud. To make the sacrifices worthwhile, to balance the pain with some joy.

Someday, when my family and I can travel back and forth between Mexico and here, when we can legally acquire a decent job, when we can finish acomplishing our dreams without the obstacle of a nine-digit number, I will know that our fateful trip from Mexico City to Tijuana and across the border will be worth something damn good.

c/pfc garcia

March 22, 2006, 5:57pm (report abuse)

...it hurts so much to see my people getting treated so unfairly just because they dont have legal documents...what is the matter with you guys?...My dream was to go ot the marines or the army...I was one of the few that would give and do anything to defend this countrie's freedom and rights....But now I realize that this country has NO FREEDOM AND NO RIGHTS!!!...so why fight for anything that dont exist?...I really want to thank all the americans that admit that america needs us...peace out..

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Saludo a todos los latinos que todos los diaz le echan ganas para darle de comer a sus hijos...no se den por vensidos...

WE MUST UNITE!!!!!!!/ TENEMOS QUE UNIRNOS!!!!!

March 22, 2006, 10:10pm (report abuse)

TO EVERYONE THAT KNOWS AND STANDS FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS RIGHT; PLEASE,PLEASE, ATTEND THE MARCH THIS WEEK ON SATURDAY THE 25TH OF MARCH AT 10:OOAM ON BROADWAY AND OLYMPIC. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOUR'E MEXICAN, SALVADORIAN, GUATEMALIAN, HONDURAN, COLOMBIAN, WHITE/CAUCASIAN, BLACK/AFRICAN AMERICAN, CHINESE, JAPANESE, EUROPEAN, THIS GOES TO EVERYONE. SUPPORT ALL IMMIGRANTS, WATCH DEMONSTRATIONS,PROPOSITION HR4437 WILL DESTROY FAMILIES, THE ECONOMY, WHO WILL WORK THE TOUGH JOBS AT LITTLE PAY????? YOU KNOW WHO?, NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. THIS IS EVERYONES FIGHT!!!!!! SAY NO ON PROP HR4437!!!!!!!

QUIEN TRABAJARA LOS TRABAJOS DUROS A LO MINIMO LA HORA???????? QUIEN???!!!! NADIE!!!!!!!!!!!NADIE TRABAJARA!!! QUIEN MANTIENE ESTE PAIS SEGUIENDO ADELANTE!!!!?????? LOS HISPANOS Y LA GENTE QUE VIENE DE OTROS PAISES PARA PROGRESAR!!!!!!!!

UNIDOS NUNCA NOS VEREMOS VENCIDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERMANOS HISPANOS AYUDEN PORFAVOR VAYAN A LA MARCHA ESTE SABADO 25 DE MARZO A LAS 10:OO AM DE LA MANANA, CAMINEN POR LIBERTAD, CAMINEN POR EL BIENESTAR DE SUS HIJOS, Y SU FAMILIA!!!!!!, CAMINEN POR LAS LAGRIMAS QUE DERAMARON AL CRUZAR LA FRONTERA!!!!!!!! CAMINEN POR ESA VIDA A LA CUAL VENIERON EN BUSCA DE MEJORAR!!!!!!!!! CAMINEN!!!!!!!CAMINEN HERMANOS!!!!!!!! CAMINEN!!!!!!!!!!

DIGAN NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!A PROP HR4437!!!!!!!!!

DIGAN NO HERMANOS!!!!!!!! DIGAN NO A PROP HR4437!!!!!!!!

LatinAmerican

March 22, 2006, 10:28pm (report abuse)

Alrighty.....hopefully before I submit this, I remember to do "spell check".....apparently most of the people posting here, don't have that option...

Now....I'm second generation, my parents immigrated to the US legally, back in the 60's. Both have large families in Mexico and by no means are my relatives in Mexico wealthy or "politically connected".....but they don't seem to have any problem coming to the US legally. As a matter of fact several have actually become citizens. Am I missing something here??, I am trying to read everything I can get my hands on regarding this bill so that I can be somewhat knowledgeable....but I don't see where it says "NO IMIGRANTS"....I do however, see "Illegal Immigration" many times throughout the proposition...Isn't that what its all about?

fill out the papers homie.....everyone else does

Monica

March 23, 2006, 4:57am (report abuse)

"We must unite" is right, this law can and will destroy families and more,lets say if you are friends with someone and even if your'e unaware about that person's status in this country and if that person is illegal then you become a criminal and an acomplise, read the bill, there it states the facts.Be informed. I will walk in that protest because this bill affects everyone.

hispanic

March 23, 2006, 5:15am (report abuse)

to momto4ls

I don't know what you are talking about you racist redneck. You say your husband got papers the legal way, but he had to have come to this country illegaly. You are a hypocrite because you helped a criminal as you say get papers, so didn't you commit a federal crime. SO YOU GOT BURNED B****!!!!!!!!!!

Laura (Houston, TX)

March 23, 2006, 2:59pm (report abuse)

To "LatinAmerican":

You should feel lucky that your parents were able to come to this country legally. However, not everybody has the same luck. Currently, there are millions in the waiting list to become Permanent Legal Residents with a waiting period of up to 10 years. Without a family member, spouse, or an employer requesting your legal residency, it is highly difficult, if not imposible, to get it. What probably helped your parents out was the amnesties that have been done in the past.

In regards to the reference of illegal immigration, rather than immigration as a whole, you partly correct. It will take away some programs and make it more difficulty for others to come to this country legally. In addition, the outcome would be that anybody who's skin color is other than white would be the target of racism.

Please realize that not everybody had the same luck as your family members did, so please do not kick down everybody else who is having more difficulty trying to come up the ladder as your parents once did.

Laura (Houston, TX)

March 23, 2006, 3:06pm (report abuse)

To those that say they love this country:

How would criminalizing the oppressed bring this country security? How would pushing undocumented immigrants further underground bring protection to this country? How would had this bill prevented 9/11? There is not doubt that this country needs security, but we need a comprehensive bill that does not oppress the weak even more. The funds for this bill ought to be used to strengthen the very system that automatically renewed one of the terrorists visas before 9/11 even though the CIA had already linked him to a terrorist network.

How would weakening our country in return of satisfying your rasisms, stereotypes, and ignorance prove your love to this country?

True, undocumented immigrants may have broken a law by entering this country without proper permission, but, didn't Rosa Parks break the law by refusing to give her seat up for a white female. Legality does not always constitute morality. Why should undocumented immigrants be categorized under criminals who hurt society, rather than those who break the laws of the government, but not the morality of society. Lets protect ourselves from those who want to destroy this country, not those who build on it in return for a better life.

Please oppose HR 4437 by contacting representatives, senators, and attending Saturday's march in Los Angeles.

LatinAmerican

March 23, 2006, 5:00pm (report abuse)

Obviously people are only going to believe what they want to believe.....

As far as the "targets of racism"...Laurita, you couldn't be anymore wrong!.....it has NOTHING to do with racism....the color of one's skin, religion or what foreign country they are from is irrelevant......the fact is, (obviously) that peoples from "other" countries happen to have different attributes no matter where they are from...so don't play the racism card...gettin' old. There are "white people" in other countries that have to go through the same avenues to become citizens..

Furthermore...as far as "kicking down"...you might want to re-read my last log......nowhere am I "kicking down" anyone as you so eloquently put it...

2 years, 5 years, 10 years.......It's worth it. And wouldn't it behoove ANYone to have a gig lined up beforehand, rather than arriving in a new country and HOPE you can find a job?.....makes sense to me.

Peace

Laura (Houston, TX)

March 23, 2006, 6:55pm (report abuse)

You have to consider the fact that 9 out of 10 times, they would not meet the requirements to become a legal resident if they do not have family members already legal residents or employers to request them. If you live a pleasant life in your country of origin, it wouldn't matter to wait 20 years, but waiting 10 years to MAYBE get a permanent residency is impossible for somebody who is seeking a better life. What we are seeking is a bill that would lessen the amount of time and simplify the process of coming into this country legally, instead of pushing undocumented immigrants further underground. This would be the only logical bill to lessen illegal immigration into this country.

As far as "kicking down" nenita... by supporting this bill you are not only supporting the labeling of undocumented immigrants as "aggravated felons," but you are also supporting the closing of doors to any amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform.

As far as the "racism card," 95% of all websites I have read supporting this bill have limited themselves to racist comments instead of stating factual information on how this bill would provide protection to this country from terrorists. In addition, I have read many white supremist supporting this bill that would help "cleanse" the American population. Also, if this bill passes, who do you think would be the target of crimes? Hispanics would be targeted because, odds are, they would not report such crimes to autorithies for fear of being detained. Any bill that helps oppress a group of people is a racist bill.

LatinAmerican

March 23, 2006, 8:12pm (report abuse)

See, now why didnt you say that before?, instead of going on about the current bill.....I'm all for making it easier, as long as the proper steps are taken to document...This bill is about "controlling" our borders....if you notice, I'm not saying I support THIS particular bill, but comon'..to open our borders to ANYONE who wants to come here is insane....there has to be control...The "we" you are speaking of and the bill you are seeking cannot be focused on Mexicans...that may be your area of concern, but it HAS to be all imigrants, as HR 4437 states.

The 95% of "all the websites" youve read, (if thats an accurate amount) using the racism ploy.....They are idiots..and we all know how pshyco those supremacists are.....it's all propoganda....and by allowing yourself to respond to them, only makes it worse....the issue at hand here is HR 4437, not a bunch of idiots who somewhere along the line, have been made to think there is a supreme race...NOT

Finally...take the "Hispanics would be targeted" out of your last paragraph and replace it with "Imigrants" and delete the "a group of people", you would sound like your actually talking about this bill, rather than racism. Racism is a fact...HR 4437 is not about racism...people are about racism. Do you honestly think, that if a bill is passed to either allow amnesty or comprehensive immigration reform that racism wouldnt somehow be played into it?...not by the people who created the bill, but by the 95% you speak of?.....racism is here to stay, hate it, could live without it, but it's here to stay unfortunately...so lets stick to the problem at hand, Imigration.....and NOT play into the racism BS......its going to affect everyone....not just our peeps

out

MesheecanDrummer818

March 23, 2006, 9:09pm (report abuse)

Thine of land of immigrants, forbidding thee entry of other immigrants!...I'm disgusted with this tyraneous and contemptuous law! This land would not be "America" without its "internationalization" right?

Ever since our European ancestors isolated, enslaved, and mixed with our indigenous forefathers,a completely new "world" came about: all people, all cultures, all walks of life have been "welcome" here in this country. It's only the governmental minority-which is probably composed of some sick narrow-minded xenophobes- that want to keep certain people out of this "pot-melted land", not to forget the selfish and inhumnane members of the government. Let's be human beings and support against this ridiculous bill,regardless of your cultural background...let's stop the ignorance!

See everyone at the March in Los Angeles, Saturday, March 25th! Peace. Life. Understanding. Jorge

Zoe (California)

March 23, 2006, 9:34pm (report abuse)

White/Female. I Totally Support all the people against HR 4437. I personally know and talk to many (wonderful) illegal people (including our gardener) in a daily basis and I must say for a fact that they are the hardest working people that I've ever known. What would become of this country without their help. HR 4437 IS NOT THE SOLUTION FOR

"Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control"

WE WILL ALL BE AFFECTED.

Sadie

March 23, 2006, 9:54pm (report abuse)

I, for one will march with the people on saturday March 25, 2006 at 10:00 am because I believe in human rights. I think this proposition is ridiculous and unfair. I will walk with the people.

kimkeila

March 23, 2006, 10:09pm (report abuse)

yo, everybody, this law is crazy. This ain't the answer. I just read it and its a tough ridiculous law. It makes no sense. I'm against this law. AS a matter of fact, I am going to that march in Downtown L.A. because my parents were once immigrants from Nigeria and I know what its like. this law gots to go. C'mon people go to the march dis ain't no small thang.

PROUD LATINA

March 24, 2006, 4:33am (report abuse)

dictatorship (n.) Absolute or despotic control or power

The United states, a country of prosperity or a county of fear and limitations. Many of us and loved ones came to this country as illegal immigrants, hoping for a prosperous future, only to find to be trapped in a land of dictatorship. Our parents have prepared the fields and cultivated them so we their children can own them, yet our loved ones cant share the glory, and hard work they have been trough.

PLEASE WALK AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

We Can Do It!!

March 24, 2006, 6:40am (report abuse)

The ideas in this proposition are wrong. They go against the principles of this country. We must all march this coming Saturday March 25 at 10 A.M in Los Angeles. Let's make history! This is the time to make changes. We came here to improve our lives and that's what we are going to do. See you all there with your white t-shirts and the flag of "The Melting Pot," America's.

Let's walk with dignity!!

Once an old woman said "my feet are tired but my soul is rested" when she marched with Martin Luther King Jr. This is our turn to walk. Let's do it peacefully and proudly.

Layout1

March 24, 2006, 5:43pm (report abuse)

We must stop the flow of illegal immigrants, note the word illegal! We have controls in place to limit the number of legal immigrants so we can handle the situation. Right now and for many years our immigration is out of control.

I'm so tired of a government that can't seem to do anything right. Why does everything have to be so difficult?

Look around you, we are witnessing the fall of the United States of America, it's just a matter of time. Everything is set in place now all we can do is wait and watch, sure glad I won't be here then.

Laura07 (Houston, TX)

March 24, 2006, 7:26pm (report abuse)

I believe I did mention that it is this bill I'm against or any bill that makes undocumented immigrants into "aggravated felons," not just any bill that would reform immigration. I mean, that is the subject of this message board. I never sayed that it would only affect Hispanics, but I do believe Hispanics would be the most affected because that is where 47% of all immigrants come from. I sayed that Hispanics would be targets of crime because there has already been some concern in previous years about Hispanics being the target of crimes since they usually fail to report them because they fear being deported. This bill would make it much worse because most would fear going to prison. However, I have emphasized the fact that it would affect everybody. The reason I said this bill mainly stems from racism is because they also tried to add a part to this bill that would take way birthright citizenship. This means that even though a person was born in this country, they would not be citizens because their parents are undocumented. So, they would be making a newborn an "aggravated felon" as well. Thankfully through, the House came to some of their senses and didn't add this to this bill. However, this does show the way of thinking of some of our legislators.

I am glad we do agree with all other issues. This bill would not be good for this country. I mean, what would happen if the U.S. would decide to go to war with Iran? We are $9 trillion dollars in debt, the FBI took e-mails away from some employees because they lacked the funds (source: CNN), a lot of our soldiers are still in Iraq, and we would have spent 1.9 billion dollars on this bill that is not going to protect us from terrorists.

Everybody reading this message board: Please oppose this bill.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!

March 24, 2006, 8:03pm (report abuse)

Even though there are many people like me I would like to say to those ignorant people who are selfish to go bug the people who have actually committed a crime. I am a high school senior with a 3.5 or better and it is not fair to cry almost everyday because I can not get a job to pay for my education. I came here when I was 7 months old and have never gone to Mexico but I can assure you that I'm proud of who I am. My point is that because of ignorant people there are many like me that are not going to be able to maybe help you someday. I plan on becoming a Registered Nurse and be able to help many people but there are many obstacles to face if one isn't legal here. Hopefully many of you guys open your eyes and realize that U.S.A is worth nothing without the immigrant population. I assure you that many of us are not criminals. We are as bright as anyone else.

CONCERNED CITIZEN

March 24, 2006, 10:16pm (report abuse)

RE: H.R. 4437

I AM AWARE THAT THE THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS INVOLVING IMMIGRATION, HOWEVER TO PUT THIS TOPIC IN THE SAME SENTENCE WITH TERRORISM IS NOT ONLY EXTREME BUT A FEAR NOT FOUNDED ON CONCRETE EVIDENCE. THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL U.S. BORN CITIZENS THAT HAVE ENACTED TERROR IN THEIR NATIVE SOIL EITHER TO MAKE A STATEMENT OR OTHER REASONS.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE FUNCTION OF A GOVERNMENT IS TO GUARANTEE OUR CIVIL RIGHTS IN A ORDERLY FASHION. TO PASS THIS H.R. 4437 PUTS U.S. CITIZENS IN A DIFFICULT SITUATION. SOME OF US HAVE NEIGHBORS, RELATIVES, CLIENTS THAT FIT THE "ILLEGAL ALIEN" DESCRIPTION; THEY ARE HUMAN LIKE US. ARE WE TO KICK COMPASSION AND EMPATHY TO THE CURB BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID?

IS IT OKAY FOR US TO PERSECUTE AND DEHUMANIZE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY THE CRIMINALIZATION OF OTHER HUMANS BECAUSE WE ARE LEGAL OR U.S. BORN? COULD IT BE THAT THIS IS JUST A ROUNDABOUT WAY TO TELL THE WORLD WE DON'T WANT ANYMORE IMMIGRANTS--LEGAL OR NOT--TO BE PART OF THE U.S.?

THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IS SO BUSY ASSURING THE FREEDOM RIGHTS ACCROSS THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISMANTLING OF THESE SAME RIGHTS IN THE U.S.A. BEFORE THE U.S.A ATTEMPTS TO MODEL AMERICAN INTEGRITY TO THE WORLD, WE HAVE TO SOLVE OUR OWN CRISIS, SUCH AS IMMIGRATION.

cp

March 24, 2006, 11:29pm (report abuse)

To all you racist Americans go back to school and get educated. Remember that America is made up of immigrants. Those of you who criticize Mexicans, how do you think our indigenous brothers and sisters felt when your European ancestors came into Mexican territory and stole our land. Not to mention all the genocide committed to the Native Americans. If that's not terrorism, I don't know what is. I am not a closed minded person, so I understand the need for immigration laws but, HR4312 is ridiculous. Everyone in America has ancestors who were also illegal immigrants at some point. The only real Americans are the Native Americans. DAVECATBONE for your info immigrants do pay taxes. They pay taxes when they purchase things. Enjoy the prices of produce, the clothes you wear and not to mention, many other things because without the labor of many immigrants, you would be paying 5.00 for that lettuce.

peaceful.

March 25, 2006, 12:00am (report abuse)

This message is for all the people who say yes to HR 4437. If US gets rid of us who will work in construction, clean the streets, the public restrooms, or better yet who will built your home. If schools get paid for each student each day that they go to school who will give schools the money that they will miss out from immigrant students. Would they double US taxes to recover from the taxes they wont be getting from us? HOw would they pay to build the 7oo mile wall? Are you willing to pay double taxes after we leave? where will the US get the money they will lose?

r.bruce/michigan

March 25, 2006, 12:19am (report abuse)

This bill should be trashed. I think it will instill racial profiling. Also I am tired of hearing about job loss by Americans at the hands of immigrants. What about the taxes that go unclaimed paid to the government every year? Anti-terrorism? What one of the hijackers on 9/11 were hispanic? I am also appauled that our news media have not been having open discussions on this bill? I agree with the comment about everyone forgeting that this is a 'melting pot'. I believe that more immigration would become legal if the process did not take 15 years. I would like to know what President Bush's opinion is on this bill and would urge a veto.

I am 100% american yet support immigrants

March 25, 2006, 12:34am (report abuse)

HELLO PEOPLE

I JUST WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS MY ENTIRE FAMILY WAS BORN IN US WE DONT SPEAK A WORD IN SPANISH NOR DO WE SPEAK ANOTHER LANGUAGE THAN ENGLISH BUT I DO KNOW ONE WORD IN SPANISH AND THAT IS GRACIAS. I LIVE IN A SIX BEDROOM HOME IN BEVERLY HILLS AND THE PERSON WHO BUILT MY HOME WAS AN IMMIGRANT, THE MAN THAT CLEANS MY BACK AND FRONT YARD IS AN IMMIGRANT, THE LADY WHO TAKES MY CHILDREN TO SCHOOL, WHO CHANGED THEIR DIAPERS, WHO PREPARES OUR FOOD IS ALSO AN IMMIGRANT AND SO I ASK IF HR 4437 DOES COME EFFECTIVE WHAT WILL HAPEND TO THEM TO ME BECAUSE I WILL NOT ABANDOM THEM THEY DESERVE MY HELP. AND SO I ASK YOU, YES YOU WHO WANT THIS STUPID LAW TO COME EFFECTIVE IF YOU SEE A ONE YEAR OLD CHILD IMMIGRANT DYING IN THE STREET OR LOST WILL YOU HELP THEM WHEN THIS LAW WILL SAY YOU BECOME A CRIMINAL IF YOU DO SO? WHAT IF YOUR CHILD WAS GOING THROUGHT THAT GET IN THEIR SHOES AND SEE HOW YOU WOULD FEEL DONT JUST TALK AND ACT STUPID BECAUSE YOU CAN. FIRST LEARN, RESEARCH, AND THEN TALK.

TOMORROW I WILL JOIN THE MARCH BECAUSE I SUPPORT THOSE WHO HAVE PICKED MY FRUIT, BUILT MY HOME, AND BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A COUNTRY WHERE WE SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY.

100 MEXICANA

March 25, 2006, 1:31am (report abuse)

SON UNA BOLA DE IPOCRITAS POR QUE NOSOTROS BENIMOS A ESTA SIUDAD A TRIUNFAR Y A DAR LE UNA MEJOR VIDA A NUSTRAS FAMILIAS Y SI PIENSAN QUE ESA LEY BA A SACARNOS DE AQUI ESTAN EQUIBOCADOS POR QUE BAMOS A ABOGAR PARA QUE NO NOSSAQUEN HASTA CUMPLIR NUESTRAS METAS POR QUE NO TRATAN DE SER JUSTOS Y PENSAR QUE SINOSACAN DE AQUI SEBANA QUEDAR SIN TRABAJADORES POR QUE NO SOTROS LOS LOS MEXICANOS SOMOS LOS QUE ASEMOS SU TRABAJO POR QUE USTEDES SON UNA BOLA DE FLOJOS

LATINA CHIHUAHUENSE

March 25, 2006, 1:36am (report abuse)

AMIGOS HAY QUE UNIRNOS PARA QUE ESTA LEY NOSEAGA UNA REALIDAD Y TRATAR DE QUE SE PAN QUE NOSOTROS LOS LATINOS SOMOS MAS UNIDOS QUE NADIEN EN ESTE MUNDO Y QUE SI ESTAMOS A QUI ESPORQUE ENVERAD NOS NESISITAN AMIGOS UNANSE Y A QUE SER MUCHA JENTE PARA QUE SE LA PELEN

INDOCUMENTADA..Y QUE "MEXICANA AS TA LA MUERTE"

March 25, 2006, 3:04am (report abuse)

QUE ES LO QUE PASA ,DONBE SE A QUEDADO TODO EL AMOR,ES QUE NO SOMOS IGUALES ? QUE AY DE DIFERENTE ENTRE UN INDOCUMENTADO Y UN CIUDADANO ? ARE WE GOING BACK ,THE STORY IS HAPPING ALL OVER AGAING .WHAT IS WRONG PEOPLE WERE IS ALL THE LOVE THAT OUR GOD THAT LIVES IN HEAVEN LEFT HERE TO NOW.WHERE IS ALL THE WISDOM THAT ALL OF THOSE POLITICAL PEOPLE THAT ARE WITH LA PROPOSION HR-4437 LEFT AT?YOSOY MEXICANA Y MIS PADRES TANDIEN .ESTUDIO MUY FUERTE PARA QUE UN DIA MIS PADRES YA NO TRABAGEN AND WHAT TO I FIND ONE MY WAY INLIFE ,A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT IS TRING TO KILL ALL MY DREAMS.WELL I HAVE A FEW WORD FOR ALL OF TOSE PEOLE "YOU AINT STOPPING US ,WE ARE TO STRONG TO OVER COME US .IN THE NAME OF MY ANCESTER WHO SOME HOW THIER HOME LAND WAS TAKEN AWAY .USE THE IMMIGRANTES ,THE WET BACKS ,THE ILEGALES WILL RAIS OUR VOSES AND WE WILL SCREAM TILL ALL Y=THE WORLD WOULD BE ABLE TO HERE THAT GOD MADE ALL OF USE WOTH IT AND EGUALES. WITH ALL RESPECT GIVE US A CHANCE TO SHINE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT HER TO DO WRONG ,BU TO HELP THIS COUNTRY THAT IS DOME IN DARKNESS RASE UP IN GOODNESS !

concerned American

March 25, 2006, 5:16am (report abuse)

IF YOU ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSTROUS AND RACIST BILL, JOIN THE PROTEST TOMORROW, MARCH 25 IN CENTRAL LOS ANGELES AT 10AM ON OLYMPIC AND BROADWAY. MORE THAN HALF A MILLION IS EXPECTED. ANY LAW THAT WOULD MAKE ME A CRIMINAL FOR AIDING A FELLOW HUMAN BEING LYING HELPLESSLY ON THE STREET, JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDOCUMENTED, IS SIMPLY RIDICULOUS.

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