WashingtonWatch.com - S. 1877, A bill to amend title 4, United States Code, to prescibe that members of the Armed Forces and veterans out of uniform may render the miltary salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of flag

Comment by Kyle Ford, USMC (November 29, 2008, 01:00:00)

Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:00:00 EST

theworldhadteeth,right on the money my friend. I couldn't agree with you more....

Comment by trav (October 11, 2008, 01:00:00)

Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:00:00 EDT

It has passed see: US Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 9 Also, to Jim, it ain't the UCMJ, it is the Law, i.e. US Code. There were vets saluting at the football game last night....

Comment by Jim (Ret Cpt) (January 7, 2008, 01:00:00)

Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:00:00 EST

While it HAS passed the Senate, it has NOT passed the House. House Bill number is HB 3380. It languishes now in committee. Until it passes the House, and unless the President then signs it, it's not yet a law. I am for this bill, but until it becomes law, it is not yet applicable....

Comment by Bob Merrilees (December 15, 2007, 01:00:00)

Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:00:00 EST

Does this mean that when I look around me at the 4th of July parade that all of those who are saluting are presently in or have served in the military? Unfortunately not. The only way to tell the truth, assuming that anybody cares about the truth anymore, is to reserve the salute for those in uniform. This reminds me of the Army's decision to change their rank and file headgear to berets when they had previously been reserved for Special Forces. An example of pandering to the masses at it's worst. This Marine's hand will be over his heart. I don't have to feel superior to anybody. Semper Fi....

Comment by Bill Cooper (December 3, 2007, 01:00:00)

Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:00:00 EST

This great bill passed the Senate back on Jouly 25, 2007 but has it been passed by the House and signed by our President?...

Comment by Roy Jake Jacobs (November 16, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:00:00 EST

Why does it take sooooo long to endorse somehting so meaningful to all Veterans??. Seems like a no brainer. By the way, I'll salute it no matter what the political decision is....

Comment by SSG MJC ActiveGuardReserve (November 9, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:00:00 EST

This bill is awesome! I don't know about the rest of you, but I still get kinda teary-eyed during flag ceremonies that use our National Standard. As an active member of the VFW and still in ACU's every day, this would allow me to show the respect and absolute privilege to the banner of the country I have been so humbled to serve. Besides, as they taught us in boot camp, saluting is a privilege that has to be earned. As an aside, if someone wants to be a pinhead and disrespect the flag, I may disagree with their action, but I will defend their First Ammendment right to be a pinhead....

Comment by Capt Chris, former USAF (November 8, 2007, 01:00:00)

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:00:00 EST

I lend my "voice" to echo those comments in support of this bill. I believe saluting the flag is a great way to show patriotism and solidarity among veterans in these troubled times, and to pay homage to comrades gone but not forgotten, who paid the ultimate sacrifice for that flag to freely wave. We need to show our nation that we are still here, and that our oaths NEVER expire!...

Comment by Jim Beck (October 29, 2007, 01:00:00)

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:00:00 EDT

It gives our enemies comfort to see us in disunity. They watch us more carefully than we even watch ourselves and when they see the number of people who show their pride in service through a simple silent act they may be just a little less ready to challenge a country that produces such people. I will be grateful to be allowed to display that pride in service again....

Comment by "Miztah" Rogers (October 23, 2007, 01:00:00)

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Rusty, No offence intended to rank and file hardworking democrats, my pandering comment was aimed at the track record of democrat politicians and elected officials. Not people like you. I have lot's of family and friends who are very strident democrats and I do not think that they pandered. I am sorry if I did not make myself clear, I intended no offense to you or those like you. I too have proudly served and continue to serve alongside very patriotic and non-pandering democrats....

Revision by webmaster (October 22, 2007, 01:00:00)

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:00:00 EDT

S. 1877 would amend title 4, United States Code, to prescibe that members of the Armed Forces and veterans out of uniform may render the miltary salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of flag.

Detailed Summary

<b>(This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary of that version is repeated here.)</b>

Allows members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are out of uniform to render the military salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the flag.

Status of the Legislation

Latest Major Action: 8/10/2007: Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties.

Points in Favor

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Points Against

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Comment by theworldhadteeth (October 19, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Those of you who say that this bill is a waste of time or money, do you really believe that skipping it would speed up the introduction of the bills you deem appropriate? Money is being wasted in nearly every facet of our government. Perhaps if this "waste of money" is allowed to pass, the sheer number of us veterans saluting in public may raise public awareness of just how many of us there really are and prompt more legislature aimed at giving active duty members and veterans the support we need and deserve. I, for one, will be proudly saluting. And so what if you think I'm just doing it for attention. Don't we all deserve a little. Be shameful! Stand up and say, "Yeah, Look at me! I served!" Go ahead, inspire the children watching you. God knows it would be a better influence than what their televisions are teaching them. Hooyah PJs!...

Comment by LTC(ret) J. Malcolm -Colorado (October 5, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Long time overdue. Lets write some of the comments to the congress and get the House portion complete so our President can sign it. BTW those complaining about the kids and their disrespect should be spending some time in the schools helping instill some respect for our country and its glorious banner. We have student color guards in our local schools (taught by veterans)....

Comment by njseabee7 (September 25, 2007, 01:00:00)

Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

I have a one fingered salute for all those that don't think our flag is worth saluting....

Comment by Scott Cunningham (September 23, 2007, 01:00:00)

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

35 years ago, my 10th General Order was to salute all flags and standards unfurelled. If my oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States is a lifelong oath, this General Order survives with it,...

Comment by CSM(Ret) Jack (September 20, 2007, 01:00:00)

Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

What about Saluting during the Pledge of Allegiance? This bill is very specific. I always Salute!!...

Comment by MCM1901 (September 11, 2007, 01:00:00)

Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Respect for our Flag is paid to the flag, not looking around at others. I am not a veteran (one of a few to be rejected for Viet Nam for physical reasons), but my Father taught us kids a love and respect for our Country and for its Flag. When our kids were home, carrying on a tradition from my Father, when the Flag was presented or our national anthem was played, someone yelled "Everyone up" and the family stood and salueted our Flag. Our Soldiers and Veterans deserve more respect than they get. They deserve better pay and medical than they are getting. But understand that civilians like myself can love and honor our Flag as much or more, owing to the debt that we have to the military. Bottom line is that i feel that this law is not needed. Several of the other commenters are right, we need to address the real issues facing our Country today....

Comment by Rusty (September 5, 2007, 01:00:00)

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

As a vet I still salute, I never stopped being a vet. Oh by the way "Miztah" Rogers, I am a vet and a Democrat, and proud of both....

Comment by Chief Stanley (September 5, 2007, 01:00:00)

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

I think this is great and will help civilians see just how many of us there are at sporting events or anywhere Old Glory is flown. I agree with Chief Ski. Sierra Hotel!!...

Revision by webmaster (September 5, 2007, 01:00:00)

Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

S. 1877 would amend title 4, United States Code, to prescibe that members of the Armed Forces and veterans out of uniform may render the miltary salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of flag.

Detailed Summary

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Status of the Legislation

Latest Major Action: 8/10/2007: Referred to House subcommittee. Status: Referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights, and Civil Liberties.

Points in Favor

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Points Against

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Comment by Sgt Sandbag (September 4, 2007, 01:00:00)

Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

I think it is a great start. I think there should be a formal declaration to refuse to prosecute any veteran who shoots a flag burner. This would settle THAT debate without costly prosecution of said flag burners. Who do you think fought for your first amendmant right to protest?...

Comment by Phil (September 3, 2007, 01:00:00)

Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:00:00 EDT

"It's about time". The next job is for ALL of Washigton to get off their duff's and pass THE law making it a criminal offence to burn or multilate OLD GLORY....

Comment by Chief Ski (USAF) (August 31, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:00:00 EDT

SIERRA HOTEL...

Comment by K.G. Schneider (August 31, 2007, 01:00:00)

Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Glad this was changed. Melanie... interesting question!...

Comment by Walter Wease (August 29, 2007, 01:00:00)

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:00:00 EDT

Bravo Zulu!...