http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills info@washingtonwatch.com http://www.pjdoland.com/chai/?v=0.1 http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#47267 I didnt see your comments pertaining to the fuel surcharge tables some shippers have set up,guess when you can't twist the words to suit you,you just avoid answering.....typical... 47267@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:00:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#46937 so if I pay 100% of fsc to the carrier i can still broker the gross on the load for 60-70% and make the same amount of money anyway. Its ALL negotiable. I would rather be honest and up front to carriers and have them call me back multiple times then I AND THE CARRIER will both make money numerous times.... 46937@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:00:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45805 Tired2 I feel bad, because in your scenario you probably do get taken advantage of by shady brokers. But you've been lumping all brokers into that category. I pay my carriers as soon as I get clean papers, so usually by 12-15 days. On the other end...I DO have relationships with my clients (the shippers) they have to fill out a credit app and I extend them net 30,60, or 90 days depending on their credit strength. So as you see...I am paying carriers with MY money and am out on the credit "limb" with my clients. So there's my response, no shoveling crap, just the way my business is run. Perhaps you should find a different broker if they don't pay you for your services timely.... 45805@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:00:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45775 get real I'll take it a little further for you,if you were PAYING me with YOUR money,then I wouldnt haven to wait anywhere from 25 to 60 days until the shipper PAYS YOU now would I? So it is clearly the SHIPPER who pays both you and I. you make this whole shipper/broker "relationship" out to be something special and it isnt, get over it because no one is buying the crap you brokers are shoveling anymore. I didnt see your comments pertaining to the fuel surcharge tables some shippers have set up,guess when you can't twist the words to suit you,you just avoid answering.....typical... 45775@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:00:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45602 nice twist of words,but brokers are paying motor carriers with the shippers money plain and simple. here is what I say to your socialism comment "unbridled free-market capitalism without regulation is a disaster, since no regulation means that lying, cheating, and fraud will become "how business is done" sounds EXACTLY like the freight brokering industry doesn't it? and THAT is why this legislation is neccessary.... 45602@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45379 Brokers are paying the moter carriers. If you continue to believe that brokers "are a conduit of funds" then you don't understand a brokers relationship with the shipper. Also, just like ANY business as a trucker make a broker fill out a credit app and get bank references, because you are extending "credit" if you aren't paid up front. If a broker can't provide you with their finacial info and references don't haul for them. Check their D&B. By the way Home Depot is happy to extend me credit, a credit card, and the finance charges to go with it. This legislation is socialism, asking the gov't to step in and "put the negotiation back in the transaction". Nobody took the negotiation out of it, you just aren't clear in how to do it. As many, many others have said, don't accept a brokered load if you don't like the rates on any level.... 45379@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45288 Brokers are not paying the motor carrier. Carriers are EXTENDING THEIR CREDIT being the banks to million dollar brokerages. Consignor/consignee then pays for the shipment, and the broker is THE CONDUIT OF FUNDS.... Why carriers ever allowed THE BIG BANKING BROKERS, in their investment is beyond me. CARRIERS TAKE YOUR BANKING BACK. CHARGE DEPOSITS UP FRONT ON LOADS THAT ARE NON-REFUNDABLE, WHICH IS 1/2 UP FRONT, 1/2 WHEN DELIVERED. I can't believe that a system of banking is so out of whack. Your trucks are being outsourced, then carriers invest in everything to move SOMEONE ELSES GOODS, and truckers also taxed on everything, and then they go and put there BANKING right in the hands of others. Trickle down economics, and why truckers go broke. See if Wal-Mart or Home Depot or whoever would like to extend you some groceries or lumber??... 45288@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#45309 lisa; oh you can ASK for half up front,then you get charged a percentage of that "advance" they call it,so your still losing money.why give them even more of the freight bill? this legislation puts the negotiation back in the transactions.it also see's to it that carriers are paid for collected fuel surcharges. some of the big shippers have implemented their own fuel surcharge tables and it is to be charged seperately from the line haul.I don't hear most companies complaining about buying fuel and getting paid after the load delivers,its the lack of surcharge pass thru and the excessive brokers fee's and lack of transparency. Wal-Mart and Home Depot are retail stores,and are nothing even close to trucking except everything in those stores arived on a truck.... 45309@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#44170 apparently you are yet another broker that spends all your time taking loads off real time freight.com and making from what i have seen on a very regular basis a nice 20-50% deduction for yourself and then reposting the loads on get loaded.com? If that is the case,then yes the shippers post what they would LIKE to pay to get the load moved and your doing nothing more then reposting it else where.Oh and not all shippers in this country stipulate what they will pay and the few I have dealt with that do always offered me a good rate. I have spoken with a few brokers who have left certain companies because they disagreed with how they treated the trucking companies, 3 of them stated it wasnt uncommon for them to get a load from a shipper, take a dollar a mile right off the top and then take an additional 20% commission too. so a load at 3.00/mi would end losing a 1.40/mi before it ever got posted hmmm,sounds like highway robbery too me...... 44170@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#44107 I’m laughing this post is so ludicrous. Clearly you do not go out and try and solicit your own freight from shippers. If you did you would know that your statements are absurd. Shippers have supply chain managers, and finance directors, people that are real smart and good at crunching numbers and study how the freight is moving across the country. We don’t “say what it costs to move a load”. They TELL US how much they have to spend to move a load. Then we say, that ain’t enough, they may provide a little more, or they may say, that’s all I’m spending. You are completely clueless if you think brokers control the market. Now, on to your comment on supply and demand; the rules of supply and demand go like this – he who has the supply controls the market over he has the demand. Let’s see, the demand is for trucks,…um who has the trucks,..how about TRUCKERS.... 44107@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#43219 what a load of hogwash,your charging us a brokers fee everytime you book a load,first you charge the shipper what you say it costs to move the load and then take as much as you see fit or can get away with in the name of supply and demand then here you go mr truck driver this all I got in it but $50.00 sorry..its no wonder the cost of consumer goods is out of control since fuel went way up you people just keep raising the shippers cost and doing your best to choke-hold the rates to the truck as low as possible,then once fuel drop down some rates really fell in the toilet. the difference between fuel at 4.70/gal and 4.20/gal on a truck getting 5mpg is .10cents/mi yet the rates dropped .50-.75/mi practically overnight but we all know its all about you and your big paychecks piss on everyone else and let the average american consumer keep paying for your expensive lifestyle.the time for stiffer regulations on brokers is severely overdue......... 43219@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#41753 You say: IF you own the load Mister Broker then you are violating the following regulation: §371.9 Rebating and compensation. You Quote: a) A broker shall not charge or receive compensation from a motor carrier for brokerage service where: (a)(1) The broker owns or has a material beneficial interest in the shipment or (a)(2) The broker is able to exercise control over the shipment because the broker owns the shipper, the shipper owns the broker, or there is common ownership of the two. Read it again, very slowly, it says " a broker shall not charge or receive compensation FROM A MOTOR CARRIER...." We are not charging or receive compensation from motor carriers we ARE PAYING motor carriers.... 41753@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#41667 1. There is no FSC. There is a flat rate between broker and shipper. The broker owns the load at that point. this is about the most tired line next to "this is all I got in it except $50.00" and just how do you figure you own the load,mister broker? Did you purchase the freight from the shipper? all you have is a rate confirmation between you and the shipper that doesnt constitute ownership. It leaves the owners dock(shipper) goes on MY trailer to which I become 100% fianacially responsible for until delivery is made to the new owner(recvr) So how do you own something you neither purchased nor ever possessed? quote a 49 cfr regulation stating the broker has ownership? I'm Waiting Mr Broker......... 41667@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#41670 You still don't get it. 1. There is no FSC. There is a flat rate between broker and shipper. The broker owns the load at that point. ok,so IF you own the load Mister Broker then you are violating the following regulation: §371.9 Rebating and compensation. (a) A broker shall not charge or receive compensation from a motor carrier for brokerage service where: (a)(1) The broker owns or has a material beneficial interest in the shipment or (a)(2) The broker is able to exercise control over the shipment because the broker owns the shipper, the shipper owns the broker, or there is common ownership of the two. So Mister Broker are you 1) taking compensation when you are not allowed to? OR 2)Are you claiming ownership when you have none? Which is it? try and answer without trying to cloud the issue.... 41670@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40867 There apparently seems to be some miss-understanding to this issue. The fuel surcharge was created after the '73 trucker strike. This legislated the person paying the fuel bill was to receive the fuel surcharge, only it was neglected to protect the person payin the fuel bill with transparency to ensure they weren't getting robbed. These TRUCC bills corrects that mistake from '73. To compare this issue with retail sales is ridiculous. This is an issue of companies and brokers keeping a portion, or all, of a charge which is dedicated to the person paying the fuel cost. As for negotiating...obviously these statements are made by someone who is not truely educated in the trucking industry. Negotiating will only be initiated when a broker is unable to get someone to haul the load for the ridiculous rate he's offering. Unless truckers unite, negotiating a rate will be left to the specialty division of this industry. Safe Trails and God Bless, www.theamericandriver.com... 40867@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40596 With Mark. Brokers are really good at lying and they don't want this to pass, as its the most corrupt industry someone can set foot in. Go Read TQL job vent, their past employees even say they steal from the carriers to make their commission. Big brokerages have forgotten they are suppose to negotiate the rate which they do not do, and they are paid a commission. I think many are out here hauling for the commission while big brokers pocket the rate. Its a nice Pyramid Scheme where rates trickle to the trucks. This bill wouln't be here if the truckers were not complaining. I think this whole industry is a big fraud, and we have major LABOR ISSUES OUT HERE as well. These guys are basically working for free, and starving while feeding America. I do believe if we are bought and sold, then bring the brokers to the real-estate world and make them disclose their fees for their services to all. Its obvious this service is a luxury to truckers, as no one can afford them.... 40596@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40597 Brokers are not in Retail. Not even close. Here is why. They do not own anything. They have no interest in the freight. They are arrangers to bring two parties together for a commission, not what they can sucker punch out of truckers behind a mask of "Secrecy" with NO NEGOTIATION, that breaks Federal Laws of de-regulation. Thats all I got in it, which we all have been hearing now for like 2/3 years, is not NEGOTIATION, and I've determined that a lot of brokers have no idea what Transportation is even about. It figures as anyone can open up shop and they can even run with carriers money. They need to be relieved as the conduit of funds. To many losses out here and its a good faith, good boy system, that is totally outdated. Come on Congress get this in the House. Do it for our economy. Thank you... 40597@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40598 Extortion, embezzlement, fraud, corruption, theft of services, will always show its true colors in time. Even in the church. Surely, Congress is seeing this. Congress, are you paying higher prices at the store, and being told, its the freight charges, fuel increase? I know as truckers, we pay with our trucks and then as consumers. Then blamed for all these high costs that shippers are passing onto consumers. Tell me then, why are carriers being price fixed out here for 1.30 a mile in a lot of areas, and the most 1.80 in most markets. 1.80 is rare? And fuel is over 4 bucks a gallon. Are the brokers stealing from the consumers as well, and their customers? Sure they are. Look at what one brokerage can keep. You have THE OFFICE, THEN THE BROKER, THEN THE AGENT TO PAY. When the rate finally hits a truck its NOTHING. How can big brokerages LANDSTAR give away 2 trucks, and yet these guys struggle to hang onto one? Wake up America. Welcome to Trucking... 40598@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40587 well it looks like the brokers are using the motto if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, Baffle them with bullsh*t... 40587@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40276 What in heck are you talking about buying it wholesale and selling it retail. We ain't buying the load. The shipper is paying us for our service. We don't buy anything. We do sell something, we sell the opportunity to move the load we've been commissioned to move. If you don't like our selling price don't take it. But as others have stated your business dealings are with us the "commissioned agent". It's a two party transaction not a three party. I don't have aright nor do ask ask/demend to know how much in profit my shippers will make on selling their goods, it's none of my business. They choose to go into their business and I in mine; aint none of my business what they profits are.... 40276@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40277 Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that when we "sell" our load, we are actually "buying" your service..we payin you. We payin you for your serivce to move our load. You just have to get past the fact that Idon't have a wharehouse,...just consider it my load. It's just between you and me.... 40277@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40184 Terry and Mark, - real estate and stock brokers get paid BY BOTH SIDES!! They are true middle men. So if you want to keep going down that scenario then you would have to pay us for our service of finding you loads, and our shippers of course would still pay too. As always the bottom line is this - you don't have to work with a broker, and you don't have to accept any rates you think aren't acceptable. But we asking the goverment come in and help negotiate that is bordering socialism and communisum.... 40184@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#40193 Terry you don't have a right to know. As patriot said a real estate agent and stock broker are working on YOUR behalf, and you have a right to know what you are PAYING THEM for that service. You are NOT paying us anything, we are paying YOU. So if you want to talk about comparing apples and oranges, there you go. We are not traditionl middlemen,.. traditional middlemen get paid by both buyer and seller. We are getting paid by the shipper to move their freight how ever we see fit, so your transaction is with the person who "owns" the freight, and that is the broker at that point, NOT the shipper. You are not working with the shipper.... 40193@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#39961 Well fuel has dropped $.40 to $.50 per gallon, you say theres no need for this bill. Well I disagree. This BILL is exactly what is needed. Rates this week alone dropped $.50 to $1 mile. our costs didn't drop no $1 mile. This pure utter BULLSH*T and I'm going to work for the passage of this BILL ASAP. FY to every dang broker out there. .|..... 39961@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5934.html#39967 I have one more comment, for all you goobers that say you don't ask Wal-Mart what they make off a load. Simple reason is, they buy it wholesale and sell it retail. You as a broker are a scab scum sucker, you get it retail and try to pawn it below wholesale. So its like comparing Apples to Oranges. Would you sell your house without knowing the commission the agent was making off the sale? Why is brokering a load any different? Would you let a stock broker handle your money without knowing the commission your going to pay? The list goes on and on. This is not RETAIL sales market. This is a commissioned agent business deal and we have a RIGHT to know.... 39967@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:00:00 EDT