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S. 1218, The Lumbee Recognition Act

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S. 1218 would provide for the recognition of the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina.

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Lumbee Angel

June 25, 2011, 2:31pm (report abuse)

RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION, RECOGNITION FOR THE LUMBEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Beth Robertson

June 27, 2011, 1:07am (report abuse)

Too many Wanabes in South Carolina I am Navajo (ENROLLED) and Sisseton-Wahpeton and any other Native American visiting me from Navajo Land or Lake Traverse can not believe these people (Waccamaw, Lumbee etc). They takd pictures and show every body on the rez. We have a joke "come to South or North Carolina and you too can start your own tribe the SC Commission of MINORITY Affairs will recognize you". I was told by a SC state recognized tribal CHIEF (now that title chief should raise the red flag), "boy, you look like a real Indian, do you want to join the Waccamaw. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE????????????????/

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

June 27, 2011, 3:26am (report abuse)

@BETH:

Don't be so quick to judge others when you have a English last name.

East cost Natives have never looked like the Dine (Navajo). The Navajo were know as raiders from the north by other NAtives and are late comers to North America. It only make sense that these people still have strong Asian features and east cost Indians that have had to deal with the rape and enslavement of their people by Europeans have changed in appearance. The fact is whatever amount of Native blood that person has in them is still NATIVE!

Lumbee Princess

June 27, 2011, 6:15pm (report abuse)

Yes, we deserve recognition, & anyone who thinks otherwise needs to reevaluate their knowledge of us & history!

SteveT

June 28, 2011, 12:26am (report abuse)

scuffletown and Lumberton were historical black negro towns and your slave holding henry berry lowery was a racist he looks like a white hillbilly not any kind of Indian you lumbee have to self identify as indian because yall are mulatto of black /white trying to pose and pass as indians.thats why u have no Indian language and no Indian names so Lumbee make them up like true cheraw and little squirrel or braveboy which is a slave name just like braveheart is scottish, i know you all do beleive yall have been told yall were indian but it was your ancestors mistake to hide the black in you with an indian myth so i feel sorry for you fake one ,try doing a DNA so you can cry at the esults when they say "Negor " or EuRropean". dream on lumbee thats all yall wannabees have a myth grandmaw told you,no indians braves there only free slaves!!

SteveT

June 28, 2011, 12:29am (report abuse)

True fake cheraw you are those raping europeans descendant and that makes you one of them not one of us so stop explaining away your non-indian features and lack of culture and language,you have no native in you unless and Injun screws you !!!

steveT

June 28, 2011, 12:31am (report abuse)

You Lumbee only desreve recognition as americans of colonial origin and african free person and thats all respectfully but thanks for admiring the Native american culture.

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 12:59pm (report abuse)

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw - you are right and Beth is uncultured and misinformed, I think. In my feature that I've written, I spoke of how not all Natives look alike. The Mi'qMak of the Atlantic north west do not look like the Chumash of California. The Lummi of Washington do not look like the Lumbee of NC. EVEN among the Navajo they are sensitive about being misidentified as Hopi. I have a Chippewa friend who was a teacher on the Navajo rez for 20 years and I asked her about the Robertson clan and she told me she did not recognize that Irish surname as a true Navajo name.

KOWI

June 28, 2011, 5:31pm (report abuse)

The people now calling themselves "Lumbees" are a case study of constructed identities. They are a creole people who formed their identity in response to a rigid, racially polarized environment...latching onto an "Indian" identity was a survival mechanism or a best-case scenario. However, what you "feel" or "believe" isn't always based on fact..."Lumbee" ancestors can be tracked genealogically and now genetically...combine this with historical analysis and you arrive at the one harsh trush: The Lumbees (formerly known as Croatan, Cherokees of Robeson Co, Tuscarora, Cheraw, etc.) are largely a mixed group of European and African descent with a bit of Native blood mixed in. They've been intermarrying for years, developing group cohesion and emphasizing their "Indian" heritage in order to downplay their partially African heritage (which was a liability in the South). From the earliest references, they've been a creole...rather than Indigenous people

Beth Robertson

June 28, 2011, 6:54pm (report abuse)

Too many Wanabes in South/North Carolina I am Navajo (ENROLLED) and Sisseton-Wahpeton and any other Native American visiting me from Navajo Land or Lake Traverse can not believe these people (Waccamaw,Lumbee etc). They take pictures and show every body on the rez.We have a joke"come to South or North Carolina and you too can start your own tribe the SC/NC Commission of MINORITY Affairs will recognize you".I was told by a SC state recognized tribal CHIEF(now that title chief should raise the red flag),"boy, you look like a real Indian,do you want to join the Waccamaw.WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?

For real it happen!! and they got politicians for votes and money to back them too,they claim extinct tribe as origin now but it change every few years croatan,cherokee they claim forgot language and culture not sure and went from being mulato(funny name)to indian tribe. oh boy what next....

Steve Duyukdv

June 28, 2011, 7:09pm (report abuse)

Yeah Beth i know what you mean but they just want a Casino dont really care about Indians they keep ripping off H.U.D and they arent even full federal.The states are messing up with state recognition and should leave it up to the experts not politicians.The state tribes use recognition as a stepping stone to federal benefits like the Lumbee group is doing.I call them a group or club because the tribe never maintained political control over these assimilated individuals they chose as Mulattos to self-identify as indian to avoid being full black,it was harder on full blacks in SC/NC area back then.light skin blacks(mulattos)had the option of trying to passing as something else.If the Lumbee cared about native Culture they would stop copy cat,posing,making up fake names like Little beaver or whatever and the POWWOWS are a joke they havent had this passed down to them Indian crafts or Language customs like that,the Lumbee make Native looks foolish and destroys other tribal authenticity.

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 8:24pm (report abuse)

Beth, as I recall, the government has increasingly decreased benefits to the Navajo since they tricked your people into donating blood and finding that you are only relocated Asians. The government is against your people and now you fight others. I don't think you are a nice person.

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 8:27pm (report abuse)

For the record, Beth, the term Pau Wau is a North Carolina Algonkian word that ignorant people assume must have been born west of the Mississippi.

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 8:29pm (report abuse)

KOWI - is that short hand for "Steve"? You are a bad person and should stop questioning other people's heritage. Steve/KOWI - what about it, are you coming to Homecoming this Saturday?

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 8:31pm (report abuse)

Steve - The Lumbee just want a casino? That's what it all comes down to with you...you're afraid after we get FULL recognition that we will effectively turn Cherokee, NC into a ghost town, aren't you? Sure you are.

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 8:50pm (report abuse)

Steve D. - Lumbee Pow Wows are a joke??? I suppose you missed the issue of USA Today where it was reported that if you want to be dazzled by Native America, go to the Lumbee Spring Pow Wow. Funny, they didn't mention the Cherokee Pow Wow. What a Ya? Swa you are! OH YEAH, didn't think we spoke our Siouan language, did you? I DO!

Brave Boy

June 28, 2011, 9:07pm (report abuse)

Steve D./Steve T./Beth I suspect you are all the same person. Here is the LAW passed by NC:

"MARRIAGE WITH NEGROES FORBIDDEN"

Section 1, Chapter 254, of the Laws of 1887, amends section 1810 of the

Code of North Carolina by adding thereto the words:

"That all marriages between an Indian and a negro, or between an Indian

and a person of negro descent to the third generation, inclusive, shall be

utterly void; provided that this act shall apply only to the Croatan

Indians."

steveT

June 29, 2011, 6:11pm (report abuse)

bravyboy is a very common negro namescuffletown and Lumberton were historical black negro towns and your slave holding henry berry lowery was a racist he looks like a white hillbilly not any kind of Indian you lumbee have to self identify as indian because yall are mulatto of black /white trying to pose and pass as indians.thats why u have no Indian language and no Indian names so Lumbee make them up like true cheraw and little squirrel or braveboy which is a slave name just like braveheart is scottish, i know you all do beleive yall have been told yall were indian but it was your ancestors mistake to hide the black in you with an indian myth so i feel sorry for you fake one ,try doing a DNA so you can cry at the esults when they say "Negor " or EuRropean". dream on lumbee thats all yall wannabees have a myth grandmaw told you,no indians braves there only free slaves!!

nothing indian about it man,,

steveT

June 29, 2011, 6:21pm (report abuse)

Mr.BRAYBOY you dont have to marry a black to reproduce with one and you are the proof and no Lumbees dont speak Sioux you are dreaming again and fantasizing a romanticized falsehood and lie, I see you try to put down anyone even navajo when they disagree with your fake made up tribe of Mulatto blacks wannabee Sioux and as far as Navajo being asian, all native americans(except Lumbee/Croatan because the Lumbee/Lumbe/Lumbi came from the CONGO in central Africa and Europe) came from southeast asia at some point in time and we true native are some what transplanted southeast asians genetically so get over it ,The only true North Carolina tribe is and will always be Tsalagi of Qualla, so stop trying to steal SIOUX identity no Lumbee ever even mentioned that word or even heard of the Sioux historically until 1940 you are a fool if you think you are a Sioux and can speak Sioux.You are a joke man.

SteveTruth

June 29, 2011, 6:25pm (report abuse)

Lumbees have no indian names Mr.Brayboy they are all scottish english origin or spanish.

The African-American Brayboys of South Carolina and Louisiana are the descendants of slaves owned primarily by Boykin Witherspoon (1814-1898). Witherspoon moved to De Soto Parish, Louisiana, from South Carolina in 1854, with more than a hundred slaves. It is unclear to me how the slaves acquired the Brayboy name, which they may have had before Emancipation

Brayboy name originates in england and ireland which is Europe it is not an Indian misspelled Braveboy that is wishful thinking.

Bray \b-ray\ as a boy's name is of Middle English and Old French origin, and the meaning of Bray is "cry out; borderland". In English as in donkeys bray.

Bray has 1 variant form: Brae.

SteveTruth

June 29, 2011, 6:26pm (report abuse)

Brayboy name originates in england and ireland which is Europe it is not an Indian misspelled Braveboy that is wishful thinking!! what a clown wannabee!

steve truth

June 29, 2011, 8:24pm (report abuse)

Lumbee ancestors,"THEY were compelled to patronize schools provided for the NEGRO race.Owing to a "BITTER PREJUDICE AGAINST NEGROES"[quote], but few availed themselves of the privilege, the greater part preferring that their children should grow up in IGNORANCE, rather than that they should be forced to "ASSOCIATION WITH A RACE THEY HOLD IN UTTER CONTEMPT

STEVE T

June 29, 2011, 8:28pm (report abuse)

THE RACIST ATTITUDE OF SUPERIORITY OVER FULL BLACKS BY LUMBEES HAVE BEEN PASSED DOWN AND DENY IN CONTEMPT STILL THEIR AFRICAN/EUROPEAN MULATTO HERITAGE,and cling to some fractional unknown indian ancestor quest... do not support the Lumbee Bill for federal full recognition it is based on racism,lies by Lumbee croatan and utter contempt for the full black race Lumbees having come from the largest free african american community in the USA,pre-reconstruction era.

TRue Native Lumbee/Cheraw

June 29, 2011, 9:25pm (report abuse)

That is a very ill misrepresentation of the truth, STEVE The CHEROKEE SURPRIMIST, but those are the types of opinions expected from people of your caliber. Words spoken like a true Politian- distort the facts to serve your purpose. People who divert their racist inclinations to get others to believe someone else is racist when evidence suggest the one constructing the diversion is the real RACIST! Good Job STEVE! I mean if you were not racist then you would not have a problem with Lumbee Recognition based on your OWN facts. Good thing the Lumbee are already recognized as a real Native American Tribe by Congress by the same process the Cherokee were recognized!!!

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

June 29, 2011, 9:26pm (report abuse)

STEVE creates smoke screens to entertain a flight of fancy that suggest thousands of people are in denial of their real heritage. The absurdity and biased interpretations of people like this are absolutely without warrant. You would think someone with an anthropology degree would have more couth than that is displayed by STEVE THE CHEROKEE SURPRIMIST TRUTH!!!

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:19pm (report abuse)

Steve T - You are wrong AGAIN! Do you get tired of being wrong about who we are? Ya? Swa is NOT a SIOUX word - and didn't you know it is considered disrespectful to call them Sioux...they prefer Lakota/Dakota/Nakota. You're just as ignorant of other Natives as you are the Lumbee, aren't you? Oh yeah, the Lakota are also beneath you because they are not Cherokee, right?

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:22pm (report abuse)

‎"Brayboy is of recent origin and was originally 'Brave Boy' and dates back to the war with the Tuscaroras in 1711 and was conferred on an Indian by the commander of the English for some meritorious act." - Hamilton McMillan, 1888.

I guess you are going to go back to 1888 and call Hamilton McMillan a liar, aren't you? Sure you are because you're a supremist Cherokee who thinks he can do anything.

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:25pm (report abuse)

How much are the Cherokee paying you, Steve? You are all over the internet on different sites, spreading the same brand of hate everywhere. They must be paying you this enough to make it a full time job. I have every reason to believe this since they are also paying politicians SIX FIGURE INCENTIVES to block Lumbee FULL federal recognition. What are you afraid of?

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:30pm (report abuse)

When the Lumbee/Croatan received state recognition in 1885, did the Cherokee speak out against us then? NO. When Hector McLean designated the Lumbee/Croatan "Cherokees of Robeson County," did the Cherokee speak against us then? NO. The Lumbee spoke against this. When the Lumbee received federal recognition in 1956, did the Cherokee speak against us then? NO! After the Cherokee opened a casino as the Lumbee were seeking to right the wrongs against us by the government, did the Cherokee speak out against us then? HELL YES! If you were an honest person, Steve, you would just admit that you are slandering the Lumbee just to keep your exclusive casino rights.

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:33pm (report abuse)

Lumbees have no indian names Mr.Brayboy they are all scottish english origin or spanish.

WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? YOU HAVE AN ANGLO NAME AND ARE JEALOUS THAT I HAVE A NAME THAT IS NATIVE IN ORIGIN! EVERY CHEROKEE I KNOW HAS AN ANGLO NAME! YOU ARE A WEAK COWARD TO ARGUE THIS POINT.

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:40pm (report abuse)

As I elaborated on the last Bill, Steve has, with the conviction of absolute truth, said that the Lumbee Indians are European, but also African, mulatto, but Spanish too! You have called us anything but what everybody, including the Cherokee know, that the Lumbee Indians are justified! You said that we are black, but a week later say that we are Europeans who despise Africans. I am content now knowing that any outsiders who read your incorrigible, slanderous posts WILL NOT TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY! ARE THE CHEROKEE PAYING YOU ENOUGH TO BE A FOOL?!

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 7:57pm (report abuse)

Wikadé yé sumuu, Ya?swα!! Taredu yé mukasankuré???

In this age of language revivals, I am one who is participating in the revival of my people's language. It is true that the Lumbee are a nation of nations, like the Seminole. We have Algonkian as the Mattamuskeet and some of Manteo's people came among us, Iroquois as the Tuscarora are still alive and well, but overwhelmingly SIOUAN. I have never heard a Cherokee speak their language, but understand they are also reviving their language. Kurí haré - it is good! I cannot hate the entire Cherokee race for how Steve/Steve/Steve/HOWI has represented them (who I believe are the same person and he is only having a conversation with himself).

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

June 30, 2011, 8:12pm (report abuse)

Well stated Brave Boy!!!!!

Brave Boy

June 30, 2011, 8:32pm (report abuse)

"Martha Barber-Cowen with her husband, Jesse Cowan, and their six children - Cherokee - no date" Caption on a Cherokee photo. By Steve's standard, these are NOT Indians because they have ENGLISH and JEWISH names. There is a band of Cherokee in Tennessee who say they have DNA proof that the Cherokee are part Jewish and descendants of the Lost Tribes of Israel. I believe I will pursue this further and see if we can't get Steve a yamaka.

STEVETRUTH

June 30, 2011, 11:47pm (report abuse)

BRAYBOY STOP DISTORING YOUR OWN NAME TO BRAVEBOY IT IS A VERY COMMON AFRICAN AMERICAN NAME, VERY COMMON BLACK NAME SO EVEN YOUR NAME GOES AGAINST AN INDIAN ORIGIN YOU AND FAKE CHERAW ARE FAKES OF THE FAKE MADE UP TRIBE THATS WHY U BOTH WANNABEE AND AGREE,LUMBEE KEEP WISHING YOU BILL HAS ONCE AGAIN FAILED AND REAL NATIVE AMERICAN INTEGRITY AND AUTHENTICITY WILL BE MAINTAINED SO CALL YOURSELF SIOUX OR WHATEVER BROTHER ,AFRICAN MAN OF THE LUMBI DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO,AFRICA

STEVETRUTH

June 30, 2011, 11:51pm (report abuse)

Lumbees have no indian names SO YOU ARE DISTORTING YOUR NAME BRAYBOY TO BRAVEBOY .Mr.Brayboy they are all scottish english origin or spanish.

The African-American Brayboys of NORTH/South Carolina and Louisiana are the descendants of slaves owned primarily by Boykin Witherspoon (1814-1898). Witherspoon moved to De Soto Parish, Louisiana, from NORTH/South Carolina in 1854, with more than a hundred slaves.BUT SLAVES USUALLY TAKE THE MASTERS OR SOMEOTHER EURO NAME which they may have had before Emancipation

Brayboy name originates in england and ireland which is Europe it is not an Indian misspelled Braveboy that is wishful thinking.

Bray \b-ray\ as a boy's name is of Middle English and Old French origin, and the meaning of Bray is "cry out; borderland". In English as in donkeys bray.

Bray has 1 variant form: Brae.

Brayboy name originates in england and ireland which is Europe it is not an Indian misspelled Braveboy that is wishful thinking!! what a clown wannabee!

STEVETRUTH

July 1, 2011, 12:06am (report abuse)

AND BY THE WAY THIS IS A FORUM TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF LUMBEE BILL FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION NOT CHEROKEE,BUT CHEROKEE DIELECTS ARE STILL SPOKEN FLUENTLY BY OVER 20,000 CHEROKEE AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE AND THEY ARE NOT REVIVING A LANGUAGE JUST TRYING TO PASS IT ON,IT NEVER DIED,ALSO TAKING INFORMATION THAT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC OR HISTORICAL FACT THAT LUMBEE SPOKE SIOUX AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY THAT IS A LIE ,NO LUMBEE/CROATANHAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED TO HAVE SPOKEN ANY "SIOUAN LANGUAGE" INFACT THE LUMBEE CLAIMED TO BE THE LOST COLONY AND THEN CHEROKEE AND THE LUMBEE NEVER HEARD OF THE WORD SIOUAN UNTIL ONE INDIVIDUAL GUESSED AND SAID THAT UP UNTIL THE 1930,S AND PRIOR TO THAT MOST LUMBEE CLAIMED TUSCORORA AND THEY DO NOT SPEAK ANY TYPE OF SIOUAN,YOUR HENRY BERRY CLAIMED TUSCORORA NOT ANY SIOUAN,YOU FAKES ARE NOT ABLE TO REVIVE A DEAD TRIBE AND LANGUAGE THAT YOUR ANCESTORS THEMSELVES NEVER HEARD OF ,AGAIN WHAT A LAUGH.AND WHAT A BUNCH OF MIS-INFORMED FAKES AND CLOWNS.

STEVE DUYUKDV

July 1, 2011, 12:13am (report abuse)

TO MR.BRAYBOY ,YOU CANNOT REVIVE YOUR CROATAN/LUMPEE PEOPLES LANGUAGE BECAUSE THE ONLY LANGUAGE YOUR LUMBEE/CROATAN PEOPLE HAVE EVER HEARD OF OR SPOKEN IS THE KINGS "ENGLISH".AGAIN YOU LIVE IN IGNORANCE MR.BRAYBOY EVERYONE KNOWS LUMPEE ONLY HAVE EVER SPOKEN ENGLISH SO STOP "STEALING EXTINCT TRIBAL IDENTITIES".

STEVET

July 1, 2011, 12:13am (report abuse)

THE ONLY LANGUAGE YOUR LUMBEE/CROATAN PEOPLE HAVE EVER HEARD OF OR SPOKEN IS THE KINGS "ENGLISH".AGAIN YOU LIVE IN IGNORANCE MR.BRAYBOY EVERYONE KNOWS LUMPEE ONLY HAVE EVER SPOKEN ENGLISH SO STOP "STEALING EXTINCT TRIBAL IDENTITIES".

STEVET

July 1, 2011, 12:15am (report abuse)

IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC OR HISTORICAL FACT THAT LUMBEE SPOKE SIOUX AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY THAT IS A LIE ,NO LUMBEE/CROATANHAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED TO HAVE SPOKEN ANY "SIOUAN LANGUAGE" INFACT

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 1:58am (report abuse)

It has not only been documented, but common knowledge that the Lumbee are Siouan Indians and spoke the Siouan language. You would say anything, wouldn't you? You SHAME any Native ancestry you may have! As I said before, what are you going to do? Go back in time and call Hamilton McMillan a liar? He spoke the unbiased truth over 100 years ago...long before people as low as you owned casino politics.

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 1:59am (report abuse)

Mark Miller made a suggestion: “If you’re proud of your Cherokee background, please express it in a way that’s friendly to our history and to those of us living today. Come and visit us. We’re alive and well, here in Oklahoma.” Funny, he didn't mention the Eastern Band of Cherokee. Is that because that is where the only Cherokee REALLY are?

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:07am (report abuse)

I saw a interesting argument on utube, Saying that Cherokee Teachings tell them of a god named Yowah. Also their DNA dosn't match with any other tribes, But matches with Jews. One person in the agrument is saying that Cheokee's are the lost tribe of Israel. The Central Band of Cherokee in Tennessee have DNA PROOF that the Cherokee descend from Israelites.

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:18am (report abuse)

"Donald Yates, principal investigator for DNA Consultants in Phoenix, believes through the appropriate DNA testing, Cherokee descendants can be linked to a large number of Middle Eastern lineages." Are you loving this as much as I am, Shylock...I mean Steve?

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:20am (report abuse)

"Suppose several Middle Eastern lineages moved to Tennessee and intermingled with the Cherokees there. The article doesn't say how a DNA test would distinguish between that possibility and the unrelated possibility that Cherokees come from the Middle East." Isn't this just the same as if an Indian intermarries with a European, for example, Ishmael Steve?

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:25am (report abuse)

I think with all this newfound evidence that Steve/Steve/Steve/KOWI descends from Israelites, I expect I will too be forming a coalition against YOU and demanding the government stop giving you freeloaders and casino profiteers all your millions in federal money...rescind your federal recognition AND state recognition, as you have recommended for the Lumbee. Since you say the Lumbee should only be recognized as "Colonial Settlers," I suggest YOUR people only be recognized as THE LOST TRIBE OF APPALACCHIA! Oy vey!

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:27am (report abuse)

Don't have a bad heart about your newfound lineage, Steve...I know some very cool Jews, but you're not one of them!

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:35am (report abuse)

"While a modern Cherokee carries a mixed genetic history today, the rare, pure-blooded Cherokee carries basically the X or C haplogroup through the mother's line. The X can be tied to the Near Eastern populations, while researchers suggest they picked up the C haplogroup from the more archaic populations already living in the area when they arrived." Did I hear you say that the Cherokee are a pure race people? That's right Steve, keep telling yourself that! You see what happens when you start casting stones at other people? Are you so desperate for money that you would stoop this low to make a living off discrediting other Natives?

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:38am (report abuse)

"Other genetic markers were likely acquired from some of the newcomers they merged with, such as the Yuchi, who were likely the carriers of the R1b haplogroup found among the Cherokee. The frequency of R1b is noted most heavily in the Celtic tribes of Europe who descended from Japheth's two sons, Gomer and Magog. The R1b is thought to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes and is associated with the Kurgen mound culture and Proto-Indo-European expansion during the Bronze Age. The ever expanding and westward migrating children of Japheth into Europe from the Caucuses and Scythia may also explain how the Jewish populations in Europe and America's Cherokee populations came to have the defining Q (Y chromosome), which is currently believed to be one of their minor founding markers."

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:44am (report abuse)

"Genetic ties were noted between the Jewish populations and the Cherokee when the DNA haplogroup of a Cherokee living in Virginia revealed the word Ashkenazi. Noting its importance, other Cherokee DNA files began to be pulled, only to discover they were all Ashkenazi Jews, with a few revealed to be Levites.[9] The Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were so named because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany, and the Medieval Hebrew name for Germany was Ashkenazi."

Brave Boy

July 1, 2011, 2:48am (report abuse)

So how about Homecoming, Steve? Are you coming down to the swamp? I would like to meet you.

steveT

July 1, 2011, 8:57pm (report abuse)

AND BY THE WAY THIS IS A FORUM TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF LUMBEE BILL FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION NOT CHEROKEE,BUT CHEROKEE DIELECTS ARE STILL SPOKEN FLUENTLY BY OVER 20,000 CHEROKEE AS THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE AND THEY ARE NOT REVIVING A LANGUAGE JUST TRYING TO PASS IT ON,IT NEVER DIED,ALSO TAKING INFORMATION THAT IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC OR HISTORICAL FACT THAT LUMBEE SPOKE SIOUX AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY THAT IS A LIE ,NO LUMBEE/CROATANHAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED TO HAVE SPOKEN ANY "SIOUAN LANGUAGE" INFACT THE LUMBEE CLAIMED TO BE THE LOST COLONY AND THEN CHEROKEE AND THE LUMBEE NEVER HEARD OF THE WORD SIOUAN UNTIL ONE INDIVIDUAL GUESSED AND SAID THAT UP UNTIL THE 1930,S AND PRIOR TO THAT MOST LUMBEE CLAIMED TUSCORORA AND THEY DO NOT SPEAK ANY TYPE OF SIOUAN,YOUR HENRY BERRY CLAIMED TUSCORORA NOT ANY SIOUAN,YOU FAKES ARE NOT ABLE TO REVIVE A DEAD TRIBE AND LANGUAGE THAT YOUR ANCESTORS THEMSELVES NEVER HEARD OF ,AGAIN WHAT A LAUGH.AND WHAT A BUNCH OF MIS-INFORMED FAKES AND CLOWNS.

stevet

July 1, 2011, 8:58pm (report abuse)

THE ONLY LANGUAGE YOUR LUMBEE/CROATAN PEOPLE HAVE EVER HEARD OF OR SPOKEN IS THE KINGS "ENGLISH".AGAIN YOU LIVE IN IGNORANCE MR.BRAYBOY EVERYONE KNOWS LUMPEE ONLY HAVE EVER SPOKEN ENGLISH SO STOP "STEALING EXTINCT TRIBAL IDENTITIES".

IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC OR HISTORICAL FACT THAT LUMBEE SPOKE SIOUX AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY THAT IS A LIE ,NO LUMBEE/CROATANHAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED TO HAVE SPOKEN ANY "SIOUAN LANGUAGE" INFACT

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 1, 2011, 8:59pm (report abuse)

@ Brave Boy:

STEVE can come but DO NOT ALLOW ME TO MEET HIM FIRST!!!

stevet

July 1, 2011, 9:01pm (report abuse)

Hamiltom Mcmillan senator 1890 stated the "Croatan dont have any indian language not even a word remains and that lumbee had no particular indian customs but still however identify as Indian the Croatan".but he politically still

true Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 1, 2011, 11:53pm (report abuse)

The only lie on here is STEVE Truth! Come to Lumbee Homecoming PLEASE!!!!

steve T

July 2, 2011, 8:45pm (report abuse)

no Lumbee Croatan ever heard of the word "Siouan or Cheraw" ancestry that is why the Lumbee first claimed "Croatan " heritage of the lost colony so dont try the Cheraw Siouan identity theft scheme,Lumbee ancestors prior to the 1930,s all claimed Croatan lost colony heritage and claimed that that was the story passed down from their ancestors ,not any kind of Sioux indian.

Reperatrice,Greer SC

July 2, 2011, 8:49pm (report abuse)

Yes you Lumbee are black,white and probably very little to no Indian,All you lumbee deny your true heritage because of shame.I am a so called" Lumbee" and ashamed of you guys,you guys are the argumentive,bossy and most vulgar group of people i have ever seen,we are not a Tribe just multi-racials ashamed of where we come from black and white.I am lockleer,chavis,oxendine,sweat.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 2, 2011, 9:00pm (report abuse)

@Reperatrice,Greer SC

STEVE Truth must be your brother and you are really mistaken. You let them folks is S.C. convience you of that if you want to but your wrong.

That is probably Steve writing that anyway!!!

SteveT

July 3, 2011, 8:25pm (report abuse)

Your own Lumbee are commenting against you fake cheraw reperatrice is not scared of your threats and neither am I.You Lumbee still act like the "rowdy mob of Negors on kings land"quoted in colonial surveys,No Lumbee or Croatan ever claimed to be cheraw or siouan this was not passed down from cratan forebears the story was that lumbee descended from the "lost colony" croatan.You cannot take those passed down storys and change it to "cheraw now.When the Lumbee delegation first approached the state of North carolina asking for money and benefits its ancestral claims were that they(lumbee/croatan)were descended from the lost colony.cant seem to keep the lie straight Lumbee can ya!!

SteveTruth

July 3, 2011, 8:34pm (report abuse)

Mr.fake cheraw no one fears you or your come to Lumbee Home coming threats,I would not come there because it is not an Native American event passed down by native americans, I do not attend fake indian powwows and wannabee culture club events,you Lumbee have nothing original to offer there, only copied and mimicked drum beating copied off you tube stolen from out west here.no authentic customs or costumes or indian crafts only vampired and stolen ideas and stuff from my real Indian culture,all your cultural ideas you have are african and european only you have been completely assimilated with nothing left but your european heritage and africa so stick with that.oh get mad if you want to ,i didnt create your fake tribe and tell you that you were an indian blame your ancestors!

Stevetruth

July 3, 2011, 8:37pm (report abuse)

REPERATRICE is one of your own !!! Even your own Lumbee have lost respect for you and call you VULGAR !! haha you have already lost this Bills battle with your corruption and threats and casino goals so go cry ,at least the native American full federal tribes will remain authentic and our integrity held without lumbee fakes being added!!! but good Luck

stevet

July 3, 2011, 8:44pm (report abuse)

KEEP FEDERAL NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES AUTHENTIC VOTE "NO" to assimilated creole groups as full federal recognized tribes in short "vote no to "LUMBEE BILLS" keep native american "native american" I see how your Lumbee bills" keeps the BIA from verifying indian ancestry of Lumbee tribal members" a clause the lumbee inserted into their bill 27 ,pretty slcik one there.this will allow the lumbee to insert non-verified non-native americans under the BIA for benefits the lumbees already have 65,000 plus un-verifiable and rolls have been re-opened again so soon there will be 100,000 people claiming some unknown fractional indian ancestor.

True Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 4, 2011, 12:22am (report abuse)

80% for and 20% against STEVE! Good Luck!

Brave Boy

July 4, 2011, 5:57pm (report abuse)

"Genetic ties were noted between the Jewish populations and the Cherokee when the DNA haplogroup of a Cherokee living in Virginia revealed the word Ashkenazi. Noting its importance, other Cherokee DNA files began to be pulled, only to discover they were all Ashkenazi Jews, with a few revealed to be Levites.[9] The Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were so named because the main centers of Jewish learning were located in Germany, and the Medieval Hebrew name for Germany was Ashkenazi."

Brave Boy

July 4, 2011, 6:01pm (report abuse)

You are a broken record, Steve. I would say "Give it up," but I know your kind. So, Steve, when we form a political coalition to rescind the Eastern Band of Cherokee's recognition status and save the government millions of dollars they lavish on the likes of you, what will you do when YOU are under the knife AND microscope? At least then you will be too busy defending your own people to try and destroy others, you Ya?swa!

true Native Lumbee/Cheraw

July 4, 2011, 11:08pm (report abuse)

You’re right Brave Boy. If they were to put the Cherokee under the microscope the way they want to do these various groups of Native peoples that came together to survive and became the LUMBEE Steve would have to spend his time defending the Cherokee from people like himself.

There is NO way STEVE THE LIEING TRUTH CHEROKEE can afford to spend as much time as he does posting against the Lumbee without the financial support of the CHEROKEE! This is a FULLTIME JOB for STEVE!

The LUMBEE will be here forever. The Lumbee have maintained their Native American identity since colonization and will retain that identity until the sun doesn’t shine. That, STEVE, is a 100% fact!!!! Like it or not.

steveTruth

July 5, 2011, 5:36pm (report abuse)

Robeson County Lumbee Family Origins

1640: Robert Sweat had child by a "negro woman servant" in James City County

1654: Michael Gowen, a "negro" servant, was freed in York County.

1660: Jacob Locklear, a Frenchman, completed his indenture in York County.

1667: Emanuel Cumbo, "Negro," was granted land in James City County.

1678: Peter Kersey, a "Negroe" 1700: Gabriel Jacobs, a "Negro" slave, was freed in Northampton County, Virginia.

1711: John Demery, a "Negro," was freed in Nansemond County.

1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County.

1718: Nicholas Manuel, a "negro slave," was freed in Elizabeth City County.

1719: John Oxendine, a "Mallatto," had a child by a white woman in Northumberland County.

a "mullattoe" slave in York County.

1754: Thomas Wilkins was indicted in Southampton County for failure to pay the discriminatory tax on free African American

1760s Randall Branch was a "Black" member of the Northampton County, North Carolina militia.

steveT

July 5, 2011, 5:39pm (report abuse)

so this is your maintained indian identity from colonial records? what a bunch of fake indian wannabees ,list all lumbee ancestros as NEGRO,black,mix black &white,slave,lumbees are frauds!

COLONIAL RECORDS DONT LIE BELOW!

1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County.

LOOKS LIKE BRAVEBOY and BRAYBOY really are a black name.

stevetruth

July 5, 2011, 5:42pm (report abuse)

NOT INDIAN FROM COLONIAL RECORDS another Lumpee fake.

1713: John Braveboy, a freed "Negro" slave, was in Chowan County.

rayford

July 5, 2011, 5:53pm (report abuse)

Ashamed relative wrote"

in comparison with the White and African blood in them which comprises over 99% of their DNA, and scientific tests fully back me up on this. I wouldn’t at all object to them identifying somewhat with their Native heritage but to deny the other two, much larger, components of their heritage is false. Furthermore, the powwows and events the Lumbees hold trying to imitate real Indians are pathetic and for them to claim to be real Indians based on these practices verges on the farcical. The Lumbee always overstate their indian ancestry even though DNA test on lumbee show no to almost non-existant native American Dna it comes up as southern european and african Dna haplogroups which are not Indian american groups .I wish they could just be honest and identify as what they really are,AFRICAN AMERICANS. But sadly I don’t think that day will ever come, thank God though my family was lucky enough to get away from all of it.

Seeker

July 5, 2011, 6:40pm (report abuse)

the lumbee are not indian in blood,dna,nor historical data,but actually mullato, they should not be considered indian,native american or even a tribe.they are non native in dna,historical records,ect….. they should not be getting any indian money from the federal government, they and roberson county,north carolina are actually wholly mullato,and are the biggest mullato group in the eastern portion of the usa. see paul heinegg racial studies FREE PEOPLE OF COLOR,ECT….LUMBEES. ALSO see; lumbee dna at the huxford.com both y-dna results and mtch dna results. the lumbee are offsprings of african slaves and white indentured servants from jamestown virginia and surrounding areas following old colonial routes into north carolina.the lumbee do not deserve federal recoognition as a bonafied true native american tribe. spread the word,spread the truth,do right by real indians,educte the american public to this scam

FirstNation

July 5, 2011, 6:43pm (report abuse)

You know seeker you make very valid points. I can be fair and listen but based on the evidence they have no proof of Direct Native ancestry in many instances not even in their DNA.That is the most powerful science on earth to date.If you fail that chances are you are not that credible.They have tried to inbreed with each other to maintain a specific look. Many have very light skin, frizzy, kinky or straight,hair sometimes blondish looking. Light colored eyes and oblong funny looking faces.

FirstNation

July 5, 2011, 6:43pm (report abuse)

Lumbee,Many even married white women or brought them into the mix to ensure they would not have too many with “Negroid” Features. If there are any Native blood lines it is very, very, very, very, very diluted. I think there was a study done on their DNA that said about 98% have non native male DNA. The figures for the maternal lineage is probably about the same. They try so hard to convince others and themselves that they are Native until it is pathetic. Have the history, the DNA, and and trace back to an original tribe at least not a made up one. They are some of the most prejudice folks I’ve every seen against other blacks when they share some of the same heritage. Really hypocrites at their best. Too much pride and no true history.

Seeker

July 5, 2011, 6:56pm (report abuse)

they are imposters and dangerous liars against true native nations. UNITE for true native pride, do the right thing,educate all and everyone,let the truth be known. friends

BilWatcher

July 5, 2011, 8:40pm (report abuse)

The Lumbee themselves have proposed several different tribes as their main progenitors. Many link their ancestry to the Tuscarora,an Iroquoian group that largely abandoned North Carolina for New York in 1700. The Tuscarora tribal government, however, rejects the connection and has opposed official recognition.Currently, the locally favored theory connects the Lumbee to the Cheraw,a South Carolina tribe that was virtually destroyed by a smallpox epidemic in 1738.

to agreeing that descent from the Cheraw gives the Lumbee tribal legitimacy.Whether the tribe is mostly of Cheraw heritage, however,is another un verified point.They turned instead to Lewin International LLC, a gambling consultancy. Lumbee leaders insist that the “no gaming” provision still holds, Many observers think that the Lumbee are indeed angling for casino development, which may undermine, yet again, their quest for federal recognition

Lala

July 5, 2011, 8:52pm (report abuse)

The people now calling themselves Lumbee are a mixed race group who are mostly White-Black with a smidge of Native blood(of indeterminate tribal affiliation). They had to downplay their African or mixed heritage and highlight their "Native American" identity because of the intense racism in the past. They have been identified as mixed ancestry from the 1700s and were speaking ENGLISH even in the earliest historical references. A considerable amount of genealogical research shows the majority of the founding "Lumbee" families descend from the free black (mostly mixed) families that came down from early Virginia settlements. They participated in colonial life as individuals not as a recognized tribe paying taxes, buying property, mustering in colonial and American militias. They were never identified as an intact tribe that entered into a treaty with the US. They initially put forward an origin story that they were the descendants of the "Lost Colony." Then it was Croatan.

LUMBEE

July 6, 2011, 12:29am (report abuse)

I VOTE RECOGNITION FOR THE LUMBEE'S!! @LALA,BILWATCHER,SEEKER,FIRST NATION,AND STEVE ALL YOU HATERS CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL WITH YOUR LIES

mother earth

July 6, 2011, 12:33am (report abuse)

LUMBEE'S keep your head high RECOGNITION RECOGNITION

CHEROKEE

July 6, 2011, 12:39am (report abuse)

WHAT A SHAME INDIAN PEOPLE GETTING BET UP WITH OTHER RED BLOODS....WITH THERE GREED OF MONEY NO LIE IS WORTH IT.....THE WHITE MAN THOUGHT YOU WELL.

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