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H.R. 82, The Social Security Fairness Act of 2007
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H.R. 82 would amend title II of the Social Security Act to repeal the Government pension offset and windfall elimination provisions. Related to S. 206.
Detailed Summary
Social Security Fairness Act of 2007 - Amends title II (Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance) (OASDI) of the Social Security Act to repeal: (1) government pension offset requirements applicable to husband's and wife's insurance benefits, widow's and widower's insurance benefits, and mother's and father's insurance benefits with respect to OASDI payments; and (2) windfall elimination requirements with respect to computation of an individual's primary insurance amount.
Status of the Legislation
Introduced by Rep. Howard L. Berman (CA) and referred to the Subcommittee on Social Security. Has 325 sponsors and co-sponsors as of 9/06/07, nearly 3/4 of the House of Representatives.
A Senate subcommittee hearing on S. 206 was scheduled for 11/06/07. (Look up S. 206 on washingtonwatch.com for more information.)
Points in Favor
Current GPO and WEP rules take away Social Security rights that people earned because someone in their family served in public service jobs outside of the system. For example, a wife who never worked would get 50% of her husband's retirement benefits. However, if she worked as a librarian in many states, she would get none of these benefits. In another case, a coal miner turned fire fighter might be denied most of his own Social Security retirement benefits earned in the mines, because his later employer chose not to participate in Social Security.
Overall, it discourages people from taking a career in public service, or tracks them between covered and non-covered employers. Former teachers in one school district cannot afford to serve in another district, making it harder to fill needed positions everywhere.
Points Against
Social Security benefits are intended to replace only a percentage of a workerâs pre-retirement earnings. The way Social Security benefit amounts are figured, lower-paid workers get a higher return than highly paid workers. For example, lower-paid workers could get a Social Security benefit that equals about 55 percent of their pre-retirement earnings. The average replacement rate for highly paid workers is about 25 percent.
Before 1983, people who worked mainly in a job not covered by Social Security had their Social Security benefits calculated as if they were long-term, low-wage workers. The effect of this was that their record looked like that of a person who had worked most of their life at lower paying jobs. This gave them an advantage because they received a Social Security benefit representing a higher percentage of their earnings than was intended, plus a pension from a job where they did not pay Social Security taxes. For that reason Congress passed the Windfall Elimination Provision to remove that advantage.
For those who have worked at both Social Security covered jobs and non-covered jobs there is a provision to reduce the offset. For every year of substantial Social Security covered earnings in excess of twenty years the offset is reduced. It is entirely possible for an individual to have enough Social Security earnings to completely eliminate the offset. The table for substantial earnings can be found at:
www.ssa.gov/pubs/10045.html#exceptions
A detailed explanation and chart showing the maximum amount of the offset is at:
www.ssa.gov/retire2/wep-chart.htm
This is a fair and equitable way to reduce the unfair advantage that some individuals gained prior to the enactment of the Windfall Elimination Provision, while still providing some measure of coverage under Social Security.
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Jim Hood
January 17, 2007, 2:54pm (report abuse)What are people saying about this bill?
Kathleen Lees
January 18, 2007, 1:28pm (report abuse)The Social Security Fairness Act would repeal the Government Pension Offset and Windfall Elimination Provision. These provisions significantly reduce retirement pay for millions of public servants, many of whom have worked for lower wages than workers in the private sector. The passage of this bill would allow teachers, fire fighters, and police officers to collect their spousal benefit. It is grossly unfair that these professions have been singled out by these undemocratic provisions.
Frank
January 28, 2007, 4:33pm (report abuse)Completely unfair. If you did not work. you would get full benefits. But because you worked for a state agency you get reduced benefits. The message is: don't work and don't contribute to society and get max benefits. Work and get reduced benefits.
maxine kaplan
January 29, 2007, 2:53pm (report abuse)vote for the repeal of the GPO WEP act.
John
January 29, 2007, 6:20pm (report abuse)The Government Pension Offset and Windfall Elination Provision would grossly penalize employees who worked in the private and government areas. Government employees who are retired on government disability pensions lose a good part of their Social Security benefits due to the necessary government disability income.
John Gardiner
February 1, 2007, 6:02pm (report abuse)H.R. 82 must pass.Many of us earned our quarters, and now are told we are penalized for working at a later time in the public domain. Why? Cost of living is terrible. We only want what is earned. It is only fair. We are watching and we will not forget.
Kathleen Hutchins
February 5, 2007, 6:51pm (report abuse)My recently retired husband had to take out an expensive life insurance policy because he knew if anything happened to him, because I am a teacher, I would loose SS benefits that he has paid into all his life. My own SS benefits will be nearly non-existent. We only ask for what we have worked hard for all these years.
LaJuan Williams
February 6, 2007, 12:41pm (report abuse)I'm retired from city work. I can't collect SS from either myself or my late husband. I have to work 32+ hours/wk to pay my medical, insurance, taxes and electricity. Repeal these unfair laws, please.
Barbara Smith
February 8, 2007, 9:41pm (report abuse)Please support the Social Security Fairness Act H. R 82.
I am an older teacher who returned to the classroom 10 years ago. I now get Social Security of about $800 per month. If I retire from teaching I will loose my SS and get only CA teacher's retirement of around $1000 per month I do not think it is fair to eliminate my SS.
I am penalized by returning to teaching. If my husband should die, I will no longer be eligible for his larger amount of SS. I know of several other teachers with the same problem.
Barbara A. Smith
Elaine Gutowitz
February 9, 2007, 7:54pm (report abuse)I am a 73 year old special ed teacher. I have 27 years that count towards my state teachers retirement. Without my spousal social security I can not afford to retire from teaching.
Gordon Hill
February 10, 2007, 12:15pm (report abuse)Repeal these outdate laws and rules. If people have the credit then they deserve the money for retirement purposes.
Sharon Faust-Dyke
February 10, 2007, 4:00pm (report abuse)In order to support my two daughters and put them both through college, I had to work every summer that I did not have to attend classes to renew my teaching certificate. I have taught for 38 years, but I am afraid to stop because of the increased cost of retiree health insurance through State Teachers'Retirement of Ohio. I paid into social security while working at retail establishments during winter breaks and working at camps and summer programs during summer breaks. If I didn't work thirty-eight years as a teacher, my social security benefits would be paid fairly. Because I worked as a teacher, my benefits will be cut by two thirds. Please try to see the fairness in this new bill. I only want to receive a fair shake.
Patti Jolin
February 10, 2007, 9:42pm (report abuse)H.R. 82 must pass. I paid into Social Security for 30 years. I became a teacher late in life, only to discover that the first day I taught; I gave up two-thirds of my social security benefits. My teacher's retirement is not enough to live on, but if I go back into the private sector; I will have to pay into social security again. I will still receive only one-third of what I normally would be entitled. I know of many other teachers in this position. We aren't asking for a free-ride; we paid into Social Security in good faith, expecting to draw from the fund during retirement. Teaching is a demanding, difficult job, and we shouldn't be penalized for educating our future.
Cindy
February 12, 2007, 2:42pm (report abuse)This Bill really needs to be passed. I am a retired Federal employee and I also worked in the private sector, paying into and earning enough quarters to collect social security. Now I am being penalized because I "worked" and tried to provide for myself in my old age. Because my rightfully earned social was literally stolen from me, I may have to work to supplement my small Government pension until the day I die and pay into Social Security that I will never be able to collect because that is the law.... Is this fair?
Jo Merritt
February 12, 2007, 2:52pm (report abuse)Those who worked and paid into the Social Security system are entitled to the benefits. It's just that simple.
Linda
February 12, 2007, 3:31pm (report abuse)If you have paid into SS for several years and then taken another job with the government, you should not be penilized for getting a government job by not being allowed to collect what you put into SS in your earlier years. The system needs to be changed and all of our hard earned money given to the aliens who don't do anything except claim our money.
Teresa
February 12, 2007, 6:09pm (report abuse)Government employees should get the benefits they contributed toward!
James L
February 15, 2007, 10:19am (report abuse)If a person earned his quarters then he deserves his fair share of the Social Security entitlement. Repeal the GPO and WEP as unfair penalties
Helen Stewart
February 16, 2007, 9:11pm (report abuse)I can't understand why only fifteen
states are affected with GPO. I am
a retired teacher and I have been denied
my husband's benefits because of my
pension. My husband paid into Social Security for many years.
I am being penalized because I have had a professsion, but if I stayed home I
would get full benefits. I would
say this is discrimmation against
people who try to have a higher class of living. I think it is certainly unfair. I have contacted by congressmen to encourage them to cosponsor the H.R.Bill 82.
Larry Malir
February 16, 2007, 10:25pm (report abuse)I worked 23 years as an engineer in the private sector and paid into SS. After 20 years in the government and retired, I lost 40% of my SS benefit. My congressmen told me I get to large of a private retirement and I am not entitled to SS. Cut all SS benefits to everyone by 40%, they did my!
lmalirkc@everestkc.net
DPD Denver
February 17, 2007, 9:29pm (report abuse)The WEP is a joke, I have paid into SS for over thirty years and should be entitled to the full benefits. Instead because I paid into a pension system I can only collect 30% of this total. I bet those s*@#heads in washington never reduce their benefits.
Patricia
February 18, 2007, 1:45pm (report abuse)I worked for many years in the private sector, and paying into SS. I answered the call for math teachers in the early 90's, when I was 40. I have loved every minute of educating and challenging junior high students. One year after I started teaching I was informed that my SS was now slashed or basically gone because of my decision to make a difference. We will be facing a teacher shortage within the next decade as the baby boomers retire. Math and science teachers are now desperately needed. This is NOT an incentive -> leave the private sector and lose your retirement and your spouses.
James
February 19, 2007, 9:43am (report abuse)(My letter to Reps. & Senators)
As a Vietnam veteran (Bien Hoa 67-68), and as an Army soldier on the line during the Tet Offensive, I
would appreciate your cosponsorship
of the Social Security Fairness Bill.
I am a retired school administrator from California (LAUSD - south central) now residing in the Pacific Northwest. I only want what is DUE to me from my 15 years of employment in the
private sector. It is really very
UNFAIR that my social security check is cut 2/3's every month !
GENE
February 20, 2007, 8:34am (report abuse)LETS SEE I PAID IN SS FOR 20 YEARS AND I GET LESS THAN 50% A FRIEND OF MINE PAID 20 YEARS AND GETS 100% DO THE MATH I WAS ROBBED BY MY GOVERNMENT
Mike
February 22, 2007, 7:00pm (report abuse)Town, State & Federal governments collect taxes from us. But when it comes time for us to collect what's due us, ?????
Al
February 24, 2007, 9:01pm (report abuse)This has been unfair for more than two decades. It's about time our senators and representatives advocated for the interests of all the people and not just the corporations. And don't forget federal employees--congress continues to screw us at the drop of a hat!
A retired letter carrier.
Bill Pollett
February 25, 2007, 5:50pm (report abuse)I strongly urge the passage of H.R. 82. I paid into Social Security expecting a full return on my money. It seems unfair due to my career choice as a police officer for 32 years that my benefit be reduced.
Bill
February 27, 2007, 8:48am (report abuse)This Act should be passed. I am one of those federal workers who worked 20+ years under CSRS but ended up working under and will retire under FERS. As such, social security benefits due me for working 10 years under FERS, and parts of some 10 other years in the private sector will be reduced. The fact that this law was passed to begin with is another classic case of those with millions, i.e. Reagan and others in his administration, taking yet again money from the pockets of the real workers who have far less to begin with.
Janet Shefchik
February 27, 2007, 4:33pm (report abuse)THIS LEGISLATION MUST PASS. Just as most of you, I paid in my 40 quarters. Because I have worked (for six years) for a public agency that has another plan in lieu of S.S., means that my benefit will be reduced to 40%. This is more than unfair, it seems somehow illegal and discriminatory. If I previously qualified for 100%, what business is it of S.S. what I do after I have paid into their system? If the legislation doesn't pass, perhaps we should find someone to represent us in a class action lawsuit!
Diane
February 28, 2007, 8:29pm (report abuse)This legislation needs to pass. After I went back to teaching, I found out that in a handful of states, teachers are unable to receive spousal benefits from Social Security. This is discriminatory since teachers in 35 states are able to collect spousal benefits whereas we can't. Just how many talented young people does the government think will enter the teaching profession under these conditions?
J David Stewart
March 2, 2007, 4:08pm (report abuse)This is an issue of inherent fairness and equity. Those who have earned at least 40 quarters of credit and paid into SS should collect ALL of the benefits they earned without any artificially imposed reduction. Each pension system stands on its own, as contributions and benefits are determined separately, reflect differing types of employers and varying work periods. The SS funding deficiency cannot/should not be addressed by penalizing those who have contributed and earned the benefits. Support HR 82 and S 206.
Karen Ford
March 4, 2007, 2:41pm (report abuse)I strongly agree that H.R. 82 must pass. I worked over 20 years paying into Social Security and 10 1/2 years for City Government that had a social security replacement retirement system. My husband is a federal retiree that also paid his quarters into Social Security. We are being penalized twice! It is unfair to hard working people trying to prepare for retirment who have contributed to the social security system and have earned the benefits. Again, please support HR 82.
ron
March 4, 2007, 4:49pm (report abuse)I will vote against any Senator or Congressman that fails to stop this theft from public service retiree with these stupid rules. I can't believe this ever passed to begin with.
Rick
March 6, 2007, 11:01am (report abuse)With the exception of Texas teachers almost all Americans married to a person who has paid into Social Security are eligible to collect the spousal benefits earned by their spouse These benefits are paid to spouses who have private retirement plans The fact that they have a private plan in no way impacts that benefit for most Americans Spouses who never worked or paid into the system also receive the full benefits
Rick
March 6, 2007, 11:03am (report abuse)TX Teachers because they have a state retirement and since most districts refuse to pay Social Security have their spousal benefit offset entirely
Ellen Gelb
March 14, 2007, 1:16pm (report abuse)There have been bills to repeal the WEP and GPO in committee since these discriminatory bills were passed. Why haven't they been brought to the floor of Congress for a vote?
Doris W.
March 14, 2007, 10:23pm (report abuse)I am a retired teacher who paid into Social Security for 25 years. My deceased husband paid the maximum into it for 40 years. Yet, because I worked for ten years in a state not covered by Social Security, the WEP/GPO provisions reduce my own benefits drastically. Also, I am unable to draw any spousal benefits from Social Security.
Please repeal these unfair laws!! It seems grossly unfair that we, as public servants, are penalized. Please co-sponsor and pass legislation (H.R.82 and S.206) to repeal the Social Security Government Pension Offset/Windfall Elimination Provision.
Roberta
March 15, 2007, 2:04pm (report abuse)I am going to be 62 at the end of this month and because of the windfall elimination in my social security, I will not be able to. I would like to see this bill get some attention and pass.
Roy Housewright
March 16, 2007, 10:32pm (report abuse)We, the retired teachers, only want what is fair ... what we paid into the system. I worked two and sometimes three jobs to make a living for my family because my wife was unable to work. I paid into the tearcher retirement system AND into the S.S., yet I only get about half of my S.S. and my wife gets only half of my half. In Texas we say, "That just ain't fair."
Gary Peatrowsky
March 19, 2007, 9:41am (report abuse)I retired from federal service 10 years ago. I was forced to take an early retirement because the federal government eliminated my job. I have been working in the private sector since then and would like to retire in 3 years. The Governement Pension Offset MUST be repealed as I need my full Social Security benefits to survive. It is not fair that my Social Security benefits will be reduced. My federal pension is already reduced due to the forced early retirement. PLEASE REPEAL GPO.
Don Ushman
March 22, 2007, 2:55pm (report abuse)We have been told over the past several years that the Republican Majority Leader in the House would not let the Bills on this subject come to the House Floor.
Well, the tables have turned in the Congress and the Democrats who had heavily cosigned these Bills are in control.
If this Bill is not debated and passed during this calendar year you should vote to replace your congressmen in the House and Senate because they are not serving the Government Employees any better than the Rebublicans did.
Neal S
March 22, 2007, 3:48pm (report abuse)My wife taught in the public schools for 16 years beginning at age 40. She was fully vested in Social Security before she began teaching. She had no choice but to participate in the state public teachers' retirement system, which did not involve Social Security. She now draws a very small monthly check from that retirement system. And her reward for 16 years of public service??? The government will penalized her by paying only half of the Social Security benefits she earned prior to her teaching career..AND when I die (I paid full Social Security throughout my career), she will be denied spousal Social Security benefits. THIS IS CRIMINAL.. I AM ASHAMED OF MY GOVERNMENT FOR DOING THIS! Public servants should be rewarded by their government...not cheated. At the very least, they should receive what everyone else is entitled to. That's all this bill is asking. Yet I fear that the Congress will simply allow this bill to die and try to tell us "we tried".
Richard & Karen
March 26, 2007, 1:57pm (report abuse)We are very disgusted that AARP chooses not to support legislation in the form of H.R.82/S.206 that would eliminate the Government Pension Offset and the Windfall Elimination Provision from Social Security. The involvement of AARP is vital to repealing these provisions that penalize educators and public sector employees.
AARP has an obligation to help make sure no educator or public sector employee loses benefits they or their spouses have earned.
Richard & Karen
March 26, 2007, 9:57pm (report abuse)If you agree that AARP has this obligation, write a letter to:
Alison Shelton
AARP NATIONAL POLICY COUNCIL
601 E. St., NW, Washington, DC 20049
Richard & Karen
March 26, 2007, 10:15pm (report abuse)The Social Security Fairness Act (S.206) has been referred to THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE. You can help support the effort to eliminate the WEP / GPO provisions of the Social Security Act by calling Senator Baucus (D-Montana), Finance Committee Chair @ 202/224-2651 and also contacting him through http://baucus.senate.gov/contact/offices.cfm
Another ranking member of the Finance Committee is Senator Grassley (R-Iowa). He can be reached @ 202/224-3744 as well as @ http://grassley.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Offices. Tell them that you support the Social Security Fairness Act (S.2 6) and that you want them to move it out of committee.
03/26/2007
Richard & Karen
March 26, 2007, 10:22pm (report abuse)Correct that! The House Version of course is H.R 82.
Make those contacts, though, and Write Letters To The Editors. That's how this inequity can get moved forward.
03/26/2007
Robert from Ohio
March 27, 2007, 6:24pm (report abuse)I worked and paid into Social security for 10 years before I became a postal worker for 31 years,I also made a deposit for my military service of 3 years to the postal service.In other words, I paid twice for the time I spent in the service including a year in Vietnam. I paid into two systems and only want what I've earned in both systems, NO MORE NO LESS. Please vote for HR 82 the Social Security Fairness Act.
Nate
March 28, 2007, 2:11pm (report abuse)Grossly unfair and undemocratic. I can't believe that workers in 11 states were singled out to begin with. This bill needs to pass.
Diane
March 29, 2007, 7:50am (report abuse)I worked for 14 years in the private sector & have enough quarters under Social Security. Now I am on my 20th year for the Town of Andover. I want my FULL benefits from Social Security. I believe if you NEVER paid in then you should NOT collect from both but if you did pay in you should get it all. We need to send emails to at least 10 people & they need to send email s to another 10 & so on. If you can pass on all those prayer & angel & get money from AOL emails, WHY NOT PASS ON A LEGITIMATE ONE like repealing this bill? I intend to start one to 10 of my friends. How about YOU?
Martha
March 29, 2007, 6:16pm (report abuse)I worked for the federal government for 25 years and have paid enought into SS to have all my quarters but I will have to keep working because I don't get enough to live on from my pension. My SS will be reduced so it will barley be enough to pay my Medicare part B. This bill HR 82 needs to be passed. We deserve it.e
Clifford
April 2, 2007, 11:25am (report abuse)I put 21 yrs into the Military AND SS, plus 20 yrs into Gov't work, only to find it was all to lose 2/3 of my DUE pay. I earned it, I paid it in BY law,knowing I would get a % back, and then I lost it.... the end
Michelle
April 3, 2007, 6:46am (report abuse)It is heartbreaking to see so many retired people (and soon to be retired people - they would if they could!) facing economic crisis because they cannot have what they have earned. Congress is robbing the people who are the backbone of society - teachers, social servants and police officers. The Republicans let this go on as they put cash in the pockets of the rich. C'mon, Democrats, it's time to step up.
Mark
April 3, 2007, 12:43pm (report abuse)I am a recently retired (35 yr.)secondary teacher from CA who believes that ALL THOSE effected by this unfair legislation should step up and be counted. Write, email, rally others who may not know the truth about the inequities we face with SS.
Write to AARP and demand support of the Social Security Fairness Act!Do something today!
Marilyn
April 6, 2007, 2:24pm (report abuse)We retirees are but a small voice when it comes to reaping the rewards of all the years we have contributed to SS. Small pensions and high medical costs are continuing to rob us of our existence. Repeal GPO and give us our hard earned money.
John
April 13, 2007, 5:38pm (report abuse)I have earned Social Security, but because I also taught America's children, I am denied it. Should we really tell our school children that they will reap the benefits of their labors if they only work hard? True story- when I went to the social security office to talk, the rep said 'I am sorry. You would make more if you were here illegally.' I really needed that. Get this bill passed.
Jim
April 15, 2007, 9:45pm (report abuse)This bill is fair. We worked under both Social Security and Civil Service and should get the retirement benefits we earned. Others, including congress, benefit from working hard in two or more careers. We should too. It's only fair.
Joseph M. Abad
April 17, 2007, 10:39am (report abuse)Every American citizen has the same opportunity to obtain a fed pension and also SS. Why discriminate against anyone who choose that particular path? SS should be consisted a totally separate pension. Repealing this amendment is totally legally justifable.
R & K
April 18, 2007, 9:39pm (report abuse)PLEASE, STOP POSTING COMPLAINTS, AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Use the information 13th postings previous to this and make those phone calls.
FYI: There is a companion bill in the House (HR.82). Contact your Congressmen about that, too.
But For Heavens Sake,
TAKE ACTION TODAY!
04/18/2007
BERTA A. FACDOL
April 19, 2007, 9:38am (report abuse)FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RETIREES AND WIDOWS NEED WHAT BELONGS TO US.
David
April 20, 2007, 10:45am (report abuse)IF you paid nothing into the system you deserve nothing in return. I agree if you changed jobs from private to public sector you deserve some Social Security. For time spent with employers that participated. I will work 60 years of my life to in turn get little to no social secutiy payments while paying in for all those years. To make social security fair, you need to limit the payments out not to exceed the amounts paid in plus the average interest rate from your working years
Mil
April 23, 2007, 8:59pm (report abuse)There is no spouse for me... only my own SS and because I have also served in the school system in Texas, I cannot retire due to the way the SS act reads now...it really needs to be repealed, but it seems that our representatives are too busy discussing war matters than matters at home...sad.
Sam Empty Suit
April 27, 2007, 2:58pm (report abuse)Every Congressman/women and every Senator I've talked with agree that this law needs to be changed. The real problem is paying for it. They say it would cost about 72 Billion over the next 10 years to fix it. Well, stop the Iraq and we would have enough money to pay for it in a very short time. Come on, we paid into it, we should have the right to collect it.
DAB
April 27, 2007, 3:04pm (report abuse)I worked part time for the Post Office for many years while raising a family. Two children with birth defects. After 25 years of marriage I went through a divorce. I then grabbed at as many hours I could get to live on. I am now retired without any chance of receiving SS but a small civil service check. You see the govenment pays for how many hours you worked and not the years. My ex husband paid in for me for 25 years. I am entitled to this income. Now my ex is living high receiving his SS and pension and I have to watch every penny I spend to be able to live.
Not fair.
Discarded wife
April 27, 2007, 4:29pm (report abuse)I was a military wife who supported my husband's career and did not work while he was in the military as we moved 15 times in 15 years. After he retired, we both went to work for the Federal Government. Later he fell in love with a younger subordinate and asked for a divorce. I was married to him for 33 years and helped him pay the $40,000 to merge his military time with his civilian time. However, now we are both retired and he and his girlfriend are living high on their joint incomes including the social security he is drawing. I believe those years I supported his military career while he paid into social security should entitle me to collect social security spousal benefits. If I had known my marriage was at risk, I would have prepared better financially for supporting myself in my senior years. She benefits financially from all my sacrifices. Please help me and all the other women like me who deserve to draw full spousal social security benefits without any offsets.
Lois
April 28, 2007, 11:04am (report abuse)As the wife a retired Air Force Officer (who, by the way, was forced into the Social Security System many years ago and paid the maximum since day one), my spouse Social Security benefit was zeroed out by my Civil Service retired pay. When I began my Civil Service career in 1974, this was not the case. GPO/WEP was not passed until about eleven years later - too late for me to begin another career and to preclude losing my spouse benefit. This is not the first and only time our crack legislators pulled the rug from under prudent financial planning.
Larry S.
April 29, 2007, 8:27am (report abuse)Like many others, I worked for ten years in the private sector and paid in to SS. After later working nearly 30 years for the federal government, I was allowed only about half of my earned SS benefits because of my federal pension. Fairness demands that a person get the full measure of their earned SS benefits rather than an arbitrary reduction because they worked in public service.
Mike Davis
April 29, 2007, 10:08am (report abuse)Many who complained that they were reduced by 50 and 60 percent after working under SS for more that 25-30 years, are wrong. The offset amount begins decreasing above 20 yrs and no offset after 30 yrs in SS. However, it's still stealing by the Govt. You paid in and should have the benifits. Private pensions do not affect SS benifits. Why should a govt. pension. Stealing, pure and simple.
Dee
April 30, 2007, 3:56pm (report abuse)GPO/WPO is unfair--vote to repeal HR 82 now
Martha Blackwell
May 2, 2007, 3:53pm (report abuse)Finally, with a democratic congress, there's a chance that the GPO and the WEP will be repealed. I encourage everyone who is affected by these grossly unfair laws to contact their Senators to be a co-sponsor of Diane Feinstein's S 206.
There are 297 co-sponsors of HR82, so it will pass in the house quickly.
FRANK A.
May 4, 2007, 9:07pm (report abuse)I worked for private industry and paid SS for 16 years until my job converted to civil service in 1972. I worked for the federal government until I retired. My monthly SS benefits were reduced by 40% because I receive a government pension. GPO and WEP discriminate against seniors’ who chose a career with the government. This amounts to stealing in the name of fairness.
Jim Elles
May 7, 2007, 3:23pm (report abuse)With the recent Republicans touting the name Ronald Reagan, they should have known this unfair bill was passed under his watch. Many of us held 2 jobs, one in the Federal sector and the other in the private sector. We paid the Social Security taxes, but Reagan's bill penalizes us. He should have made it fairer and imposed this penalty on everyone with a pension plan, IRA, Annuity, etc. Repeal this unfair measure
Jacque Parke
May 9, 2007, 10:50pm (report abuse)Five yars ago I was layed off in a corporate buy-out when they shut the doors of a company I had worked at for 20 years. I lost my 401K when I had to pay off the second on my house. I entered teaching, sold my house, and reached 55. I won't be able to retire until 70, and if my spouse dies, I won't retire at all. I've paid into SS since 16 and won't see a dime! That's just cruel!
James (Nam Vet/Sch.Adm.
May 10, 2007, 8:05pm (report abuse)Those people who have stressed
contacting key house reps and
Senators are absolutely "right on!"
I have gone well beyond my H.R.rep.
and Senator. I have written EVERY key Republican Senator in the 6 key
states in the 08 election. Cal ( 55
electoral votes),Ill (21),Texas (34),Ohio (20),Mass (12),Georgia(15) equals 157 electoral votes !
In the 14 affected states there
are ONE MILLION voters ! These
people have friends and neighbors!
Write a letter to each Republican
Senator who is up for re-election
in 2008 and stress the above facts.
It's "hardball time!" Pressure /irritate the hell out of em. We deserve what is honestly
DUE to us ! CHARGE !!!
James III
May 10, 2007, 8:15pm (report abuse)The "One Million" people stated
in my previous posting are those
"directly effected" by the WPO !
Can any political leader ignore
one million voters ? I have walked
the talk and have written ALL Republican Senators up for re -election in 2008 asking them either
to "co sponsor " S. 206 or vote
"yes" for it when it comes to the
floor for a vote. Moderate Republicans are already " running
scared" about losing due to the
Iraq War mess. Now it the time to
go on OFFENSE !
Bonnie Jean Soto
May 11, 2007, 4:25pm (report abuse)I am a 63-year-old teacher who is invested in Social Security, but, unfortunately, I am only permitted to live on my meager teacher's pension. I cannot even receive social security payments from my X-spouse. I have worked in both the private sector and public sector. It is brutally unfair to treat us this way. We only want what we derserve and have rightfully earned, and that is what others, who have not dedicated their lives to serving the public as a government employee, generously receive. I have just one question to all of you and that is: Where would you all be without us? ...Uneducated...burned up in fires...robbed, murdered, or raped in the streets, or completely unable to run your government offices? It is payback time for those who have served you with pride and dignity. Please pass H.R. 82.
Joan
May 12, 2007, 8:47am (report abuse)What really does not make any sense about the way Soc. Sec.works today is that after seventy years old you can work as much as you want in a public employee's job and get your full Soc. Sec. but the day you retire you lose it. I guess we should all work until we drop over.
Rog F
May 15, 2007, 1:57am (report abuse)Hey, you make an investment, then maybe one or two more, you get the proceeds. But if you're a victim of WEP your social security investment, your own money mind you, gets slashed to bits! That's what we used to call theft.
Barbara
May 16, 2007, 11:57am (report abuse)Pass the Windfall Elimination Provision & Gov't Pension Offset so individuals can collect their spousal benefits that are rightfully theirs. I have lost my spouse, and because I worked at a state university for 34/yrs. I can't collect his S.S. This is discrimmation, why should we be penalized, it's not fair!! Do something now.
Jenny
May 17, 2007, 4:37pm (report abuse)This Bill is fair. Just because I worked under both Social Security and Civil Service, I should not be penalized and have my benefits reduced from Social Security. It just does not make sense. This Bill needs to pass.
James III
May 18, 2007, 1:41pm (report abuse)May 18, 2007
I suspect the House and Senate
to move on WEP legislation in June
or July. Restoring our "full entitlements" means that the Soc.
Sec. dept. will have to re-compute
our monies before the end of the
fiscal year (October). Put the
pressure on key Republican Senators! Google - NEA Legislative Action Center and write
an email to a Republican Senator
ASAP. The email format is already
there for you !!
H.R. # 82 has 303 bipartisan
"co sponsors". The Senater version
# 206 has 30 bipartisan sponsors.
The battle for passage will be in
the Senate...so put the PRESSURE
on ! Charge !