http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills info@washingtonwatch.com http://www.pjdoland.com/chai/?v=0.1 http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#149779 Lumbee say that they have been told by their parents that their ancestors were some kind of Indian and are most stubborn about it when the facts show otherwise with votes they have convinced many politicians to back them even the president without any new proof to their claim.At first the lumbee claimed Tuscorora then the lost colony of Roanoke then claimed Cherokee of Robeson county now claimed to be Cheraw or some coastal dead tribe the latest theory! without historical or scientific proof or any remnant cultural remains but for sure the european ancestry can be proven.With recognition the Lumbee will be able to claim land as reservation,have their own police and courts and act as a sovereign nation and receive close to a 800million in federal aid every 4 years also add anyone to their rolls as Native american proof of ancestry is not required for membership,this is all part of their reconition bill that the BIA cannot require them to prove Indian ancestry!! what a fraud tribe!... 149779@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:50:41 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#139583 people killing each other drugs ,guns ,beer, is not an American Indian problem ,ITS an American problem and look at fort hood that was done by an Arabian killin people, respect the American in Us all we need to come together as a country not give me im a Lumbee, lumbee can prove they are american but not american native indian and thats all !!!... 139583@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:07:31 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#135774 BUT PROUD IS A START INDIANS ARE KILLING EACH OTHER OR KILLING THEM SELFS HOW DRUGS ,GUNS ,KNIFES BEER. YOU NAME IT !! YES I UNDERSTAND THAT PROUD IS NOT ENOUGH BUT IF WE START RESPECT EACH OTHER THAN EVERY ONE ELSE WILL RESPECT THE Native American Indians AND WE COME TOGETHER AS ONE THAN YES WE WILL BE HEARD !!!!!!... 135774@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:56:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#131969 PROUD AINT PROOF ENOUGH !!!!... 131969@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:24:29 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#131820 I have one request for all my people that the day will come when the four winds come together and we learn united we stand divided we fall recognized or un recognized dose not change the blood or the heart as long as we turn on our selves fall for the white mans quotas and refuse to accept each other we have lost what makes us Natives for we are no better than those that have oppressed us and tried to assimilate us spent years trying to strip us of what we are and deny we exist and feed on the hate we foster among are selves we are Native American Indians not ponns in a game of our own destruction... 131820@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:19:51 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#129231 WELL I'M Cherokee/LUMBEE MY FATHER IS FULL BLOODED Cherokee MY MOTHER IS LUMBEE AN I HAVE BEEN TOLDED ALL MY LIFE THAT I'AM A NATIVE AMERICAN NO MATTER WHAT TRIBE I'M FROM TO BE PROUD!! WE NATIVES NEED TO BE LEADERS!!!!AND TO STRONG !!!RIGHT NOW IN THESE HARD TIMES WE ALL NEED TO LOVE ALL PERSONS NO MATTER WHO!!!!AND WERE THEY ARE FROM!!! FROM THE HEART LUIMBEELADY-T... 129231@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:02:06 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#124281 it is very hard to take urban mixed people who have no real native culture show them some plains indian powows and say u are indian native american and the Lumbee group hasnt understood that alot of americas have some possible ancestor of possible native origins but once that positive connection such as ,language,names,places,customs artifacts etc,, is lost and you also are extremely mixed out culturally and biologically with europeans(whites)too,,you are then completely assimilated totally JUST AMERICAN thats all LUMBEES . but with this hard economy many will try to find MONEY or Benefits anywhere they can ,Even formimg a TRIBE. This Lumbee H.B.31 will cost the tax payers almost a Billion dollars every 4 years if Lumbees are federally recognized. I believe only Trail Of Tears people on the East coast should benefit from such legislation and the LUMBEE werent considered even by pres,Andrew jackson back then for removal because they are not honest True native American tribe .Wado... 124281@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:52:27 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#122449 In 1930, after the release of his movie The Silent Enemy, Buffalo Child Long Lance indian identity began to crumble. His real name was Sylvester Long. He was from Winston-Salem, N.C. He was African-American. And his father was not a chief Margaret Jones is hardly the first person to have invented an Indian self her upbringing as a half-white, half-Indian child by a black family in South Central L.A. In fact, Jones’real name is Margaret Seltzer, she did not grow up in South Centralshe’s no more a Native American than Sylvester Long .By inventing a NativeAmerican heritage, Seltzer joins a long list of fake Indians. In addition to Buffalo Child Long Lance, and passed it off in not one but three books: and Grey Owl the persona of the Englishman Archibald Belaney, who wrote and toured on the strength of his Indian inspired conservationism between the World Wars).It’s easy enough to imagine what motivates.... 122449@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:27:51 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#112963 The Lumbee are not cheraw descendants as they claim historical records do not indicate this at all,At the Close of the Yamasi war the Cheraw were dwelling on the upper Pedee near the line between the Carolinas, where their name is perpetuated in the town of Cheraw, S. C. Their number in 1715, according to Rivers, was 510, but this estimate probably included the Keyauwee. Being still subject to attack by the Iroquois, they finally-between 1726 and 1739 became incorporated with the Catawba, with whom at an earlier date they had been at enmity. They are mentioned as with the Catawba but speaking their own distinct dialect as late as 1743 (Adair). In 1759 a party of 45 "Charraws," some of whom were under their chief, "King Johnny," joined the English in the expedition against Ft Du Quesne. The last notice of them is in 1768, when their remnant, reduced by war and disease to 50 or 60, were still living with the Catawba.... 112963@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:18:59 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#100482 I see Lumbee people writing poems and calling others haters or jealous and saying that they are proud and thats just fine if they believe that ,so dont put others down when they are asking what proof you people have that connects you to a real native American tribe,its just that tax dollars will be spent, we are talking possibly billions of dollars every four years here on your lumbee tribe so dont expect tax payers to fork over that kind of Money without allot of Proof or Questions,Try cashing a check and you will find even that positive ID is required for everything these days!!! Even native American heritage, I dont believe all those people calling themselves Lumbee are of native American Heritage!! over 60,000 members!... 100482@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:31:37 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#98088 The Lumbee have not existed as a true tribe but only as a group of people that may or may not of had a distant native ancestor name one Lumbee custom not stolen from some other real tribe,Lets not judge by emotion and what you want to be but what you are,in Lumbees i see only white heritage thats what they are and they should celebrate that,geronimo would laugh at these modern whites searchin for indian ancestors,If Lumbees get federal recog it would undermine and make anyone a Native american.... 98088@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:31:39 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#85236 I have a degree in Anthropology and I took native studies and i agree there is no Lumbee tribe but only a large group of people in one county area where it was probably safer in the past if you were mixed mulatto to claim to be Indian so that u were less discriminated against! There Black heritage was replaced with a fake Indian tribe that couldnt figure out what tribe was available other than Cherokee so now they have latched on to the cheraw and are calling themselves cheraw without any positive proor or even remnant cultural remains or artifacts or historical records! Yes go to the LUMBEE website they now claim t be THE LUMBEE TRIBE OF CHERAW INDIANS.!!!!!! . The lumbee originally claimed Croatan, then cherokee for a while then tuscarora now they claim Cheraw, wow I cant believe that they got senators to buy that crap!!! well i guess votes!!! This bill will cost us Tax payers over 800 million every 4 years if passed by adding these LUMPEE people on the BIA recognized list.... 85236@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:49:48 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#81426 I studied indian history for 60 years there is no such thing as a lumbee indian.... 81426@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:25:20 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#78434 I AGREE.if Lumbee were indian why not included in the TRAIL OF TEARS !! when the army removed all large groups of indians from the east coast and south,Its because LUMBEE weren't native American but Mulattos or Turks or portuguese so dont try to change that fact by coming up with a slick answer !! Fact is LUMBEE not in TRAIL OF TEARS because not considered Native by the US Govt not even back then before mixing more.General Jackson who was in charge of indian removal and from the NC/SC area Im sure he knew about a whole County full Indians, these 56,000 indians called LUMPEE or LUMBER or CROATAN .Okay answer that logically?... 78434@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:56:07 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#76981 if Lumbee were indian why weren't they included in the TRAIL OF TEARS !! when the army removed all large groups of indians from the east coast and south,Its because LUMBEE weren't native American but Mulattos or Turks or portuguese so dont try to change that fact by coming up with a slick answer !! Fact is LUMBEE not in TRAIL OF TEARS because not ever considered indian by the US Govt not even back then before mixing more.... 76981@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:44:04 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#75718 the last comment sounded like it came from a whiteman threatning like you always do anyone who opposes your belief system so I know you are a white man for sure anyone else would realize this is a comment section and If north carolina people get upset when told thay are not Indian then they probably arent otherwise they would find a scientific way to proove that you are Indian HOW about DNA test!!! if you are so sure then post us your results only cost about $150 dollars to prove it buddy!!!... 75718@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:48:29 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#74634 I am a member of the Haliwa-Saponi tribe of North Carolina and I fully support the Lumbee in their recognition efforts. My own tribe has experienced circumstances very similar to that of the Lumbee and I feel that if the Lumbee are recognized it would give my own tribe a better chance toward gaining the recognition we as Native American people deserve. I also have to add that I find some of the comments on here to be racist and deeply offensive and I would advise those people to never come to North Carolina and if they do to be quiet about their opinions because they will not like what happens if they dare to publicly voice such hateful ideas.... 74634@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:18:17 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#68928 As for the Education benefit the poor already have it ,Its called a pell grant available to anyone with a certain income qualify for pell grants and state grants are totally FREE ALREADY. If you hace been to a RESERVATION then you may understand better out west why the BIA recognition is needed for already reconized tribes from the pass but these days it is unnecessary for 56,000 people to burden our depressed economy and take from real reservation Indians that really need it and live in remote reservations the Lumbee dont meet this need.... 68928@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:58:51 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#68891 As a Lumbee tribal member I am excited for possible recognition. However, after visting multiple other reservations out West I have mixed feelings on recognition. We do not need ther free money and land, this typically breeds lazy alcoholic diabetics. Free education would be wonderful...if more than a small handful would take advantage of it. I would love to be recognized and cary that banner for prides sake. I dont need anyones handouts...I work for a living and proudly support my family. Would love my kids to continue in such a manner. Would love to be regonized just like those blue eyed 1/8th Cherokees and get some school $. Dont need any help, but it sure is nice to have ;)... 68891@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:44:27 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#64745 How much black blood is not the issue here folks ,,thats irrelevent or how much white blood they may have lets not be racist ,be logical ,once they get recognized they will be able to buy land ,make laws like a sovereign nation hire police ,grab up land call it a reservation under the BIA land acquisitions act and do whatever they want in NC including putting anyone they want on their tribal rolls because the Bill they have in congress forbids the BIA from verifying that the enrolled members are Indians,,yes !!! they added that to the Bill !!!!!! they are keeping the BIA out of the membership selection process specifically!!!! what a Con, You must wonder why they added to the bill that the BIA dies not have to approve membership like they do for all other Indians because the tribe can issue Blood Quantum cards and make them selves full bloods if they choose with blood quantum cards they will ba allowed to make up their own blood quantum cards as a recognized tribe yes!!!!!!!!!... 64745@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:10:44 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#64410 It is not about anyone being afrai of the lumbee being recognized, Its just that they dont meet the minimum criterior with positive proof and if they are approved it opens the door to almost any group of people wanting minority status or federal recognition which means possibly people getting benefits that dont need them and that tribe swelling up the numbers to get money and benefits,if they so strongly believe Lumbee are Indian then leave it at that and let the indians whose ancesters were marched and shoved on reservations benefit because they need it and deserve it and the LUMBEE in all honestly dont and in apppearance the Lumbee are caucasian predominately ,I agree with the july 28th comment that all those folks cant be Indian native american in robeson.Therefore no benefits for them but the politicians sure up to get lumbee vote another reason why we shouldnt have the congress approve the lumbees its about Heritage not politics politics seem to be winning out over reality... 64410@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:28:15 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#64288 I DO NOT UNDER STAND WHY EVERY BODY IS SO AFRAID OF THE LUMBEE BEING RECONIZED AS A TRIBE OR ANYTHING ELSE. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GAMBLING MONEY OR ANY THING LIKE THAT IT'S ABOUT YOUR BIRTH RIGHT.... 64288@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:44:26 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#63401 The Question of why the Lumbee are fighting so hard for recognition they already lives as any other american does i,Maybe some of those Lumbees are really part Indian but that goes for most american that have had ancestry here since founding since the numbers are so large the Lumbee need to prove that they say they are because they keep changing identity,I at first believed them to be Croatan descendant the lost colony they are changing that to CHERAW well not all those 56,000 people can be Cheraw the cheraw were so small only a few hundred so this looks very fake, they are very strong about the subject emotions does not make one an Indian native they are a tribe organization but a tribe of WHAT???? their evidence doesnt merit being a federally recognized status like the Trail of tears Indians or creeks or navajo or any western tribes or dakotas, the Lumbee will cost the USA taxpayer close to more than a BILLION dollars and when their rolls re-open up more billions... 63401@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:19:07 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#63304 The "Lumbees" (which is a FAKE name) are NOT Indians! There have been scientific tests which proved them to be no more than 13 % Native by blood, not surprisingly they are 47 % African as well. IMHO these "Lumbees" should be classes as the African-Americans they really are. As a person of REAL Native descent (my mother is a full blooded Navajo from a REAL reservation, not this Robeson County type junk) I find it very offensive that these blacks, mulattos, and whatever else the Lumbees are should get any sort of federal benefits that real Natives deserve. The ancestors of the Lumbees were liars too though, they claimed all throughout the Colonial period and well into the 1900s to be Indian as a way of denying they are Black. They have changed their story on which tribe they're descended from like 5 different times as well. "Lumbees" need to get real and admit they are mulattos, stop pretending to be Indian, and GET A DAMN JOB!... 63304@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:35:08 EDT http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_31.html#61695 The group known as Lumbee even with federal recognition will never be natives but only an assimilated group with some ancester from some unknown tribe ,its ashame these people cannot trace themselves to a native tribe of that area because that and that only is hat will make up Indian not politicians ,some white even managed to get themselves on Dawes rolls and such but the Trail of Tears affected all indians but not the Lumbee!! why !! Because they were and are not a native American tribe or anything other than anglos and mulattos looking for government approval of their invention,lets DNA anyone that cant prove a connection to a tribe ,we native suffered the trail of tears, not the Lumbee, they have no treatys and the US govt and Tax payers owe these people nothing that any other citizen gets especially without the BIA proving their ancestry this is just another way to rip the US taxpayers off with bought out politicians in robeson county.... 61695@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:40:37 EDT