http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills info@washingtonwatch.com http://www.pjdoland.com/chai/?v=0.1 http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#48031 Hello Vickie, I tried to post what AQHA bred in 2008 for our pro slaughter folks here. I couldn't down load it on my computer. Maybe you can. I am sick of hearing about Peta. I am a horse owner, I am against horse slaughter, I am not anti meat. You can livestock your reasoning till your blue in the face. The horse is a domesticated companion pet to most people in the United States....who do not see a horse as food. Your problem is "what are you going to do with all the culls that are bred. Stop over breeding them, then they won't be butchered alive and made into a very expensive hamburger for Europe.... 48031@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:53:31 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47963 Justice, call them livestock all you want. They are not. Livestock cannot perform any of the functions that horses perform. In this country, livestock are food animals – they are raised and bred as food animals. Horse are not. Horse feed is taxed in most states, livestock feed is not. The differences are immense and the day that a cow is running in the derby, the mounted police are riding cows, there is a riderless cow at presidential or military funeral or they’re used in hunting, etc., you can call horses livestock. PETA is NOT involved in the anti horse slaughter efforts. Chickens, cows and pigs have nothing to do with horse slaughter. The only welfare organizations involved are HSUS and AWI. I do not pal around with either of them. The majority of efforts are grass roots and do not involve any organizations. I work with thousands of individuals across the country comprised of horse owners, jockeys, trainers, vets and rescues.... 47963@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:28:21 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47952 PETA and HSUS are siding with this bill, and is way more vegan driven than you immagine Vicki. Visit their web sites and save the chickens!! Horses are livestock, plain and simple. You can believe what you wish. Just look up the guys you are palling around with...... 47952@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Fri, 02 Jan 2009 06:47:53 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47895 Andrew, unlike horses, the animals you mentioned are an accepted food source in this country. Whether or not I am against their slaughter is irrelevant. We slaughter animals (livestock) in this country for our food. I know where you are going with this - the slippery slope pro slaughter argument. An argument that is totally false and without basis. Ending the slaughter of horses is NOT the first step to banning the slaughter of livestock.. That was a pro slaughter tactic made up to scare people into believing we wanted to ban the slaughter of all animals. That is not our intent and we have never mentioned livestock. The cattle and ag associations keep throwing it in our face. Do they want us to think about it? There is not one person in the thousands that I am involved with that is targeting livestock slaughter. It is strictly about horses. And before you ask, I am not a vegetarian!... 47895@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:21:40 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47884 Viki I appologize for not placing a coma in my sentence. It does sound silly reading it again, thanks for pointing that out. Question for you are you against the slaughter of cows, chickens, pigs, fish, and other animals used for consumption?... 47884@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:26:04 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47876 Justin, we are not AR activists-animals will never have rights. Why do pro folks blame everyone except the owners? France and Belgium destroyed the industry. They pay people to be irresponsible and to breed and dump to keep the horses coming. The lowest common denominator jumped on this. Blame the under 1% of owners that don’t want the responsibility of ownership. Unlike the cattle and Ag associations, we do not pay people to lobby or make donations to legislators to block bills. This is easily verified through PAC donations. You will not see any of our names but you’ll see AQHA (over breeders and no.1 horse breed going to slaughter) AVMA, Cattle and Ag Assoc. etc. They have hired PR firms and Burns and Stenholm to lobby. Why aren’t you asking why they don’t take the hundreds of thousands they spend to establish programs aimed at helping horse owners? Our donations go to rescues to pull the horses that irresponsible owners dumped. Tax on what? www.vickitobin.com... 47876@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:57:52 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47875 Justice, again I ask, how is keep slaughter going to prevent abandonment? If you are seeing abandoned horses it is obvious that abandonment and the availability of slaughter have no correlation.. Anyone wishing to send their horse to slaughter can still do so. If slaughter was the cure, you wouldn’t be seeing abandoned horses. Thank you for proving our point.... 47875@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:38:58 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47874 That's great that we have people so passionate about a cause, however; they believe in fairy tales too. Buck up, we are all faultering in ways, wait till the donations stop, etc. This is the LAST thing we need right now is another animal bill that will cost the tax payers even more. You've managed to destroy the horse industry, horses are neglected and abandoned (whether you believe it or not), aim that passion towards people, not animals, people need food, jobs, homes...who can think of animals rights at this point or any organizations that operate on donations to lobby congress, rather than putting the money into animals. Now you want people to be taxed for it??... 47874@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:10:44 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47867 HSUS and PETA will be exposed!!... 47867@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:30:53 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47866 Andrew, there is no such thing as humane horse slaughter. The bill was meant to end slaughter. If you were trying to look ridiculous with your comment on horse meat, consider yourself successful.... 47866@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:14:22 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47865 Amy, horses perform functions in society that livestock do not and cannot perform. Livestock in this country are food animals. Horses are not raised or bred for food but as work, service, sport and companion animals. Most states tax horse feed but do not tax livestock feed. If you read the FOIA report you wouldn’t have made your comment that the plants being regulated. Much of the report covers the transport which was not and is still not regulated. Please, anyone that loved their horse would never send him to slaughter. Slaughter does not provide a regulated viable option. It hides abuse and perpetuates abuse. An owner can abuse his horse, dump him at an auction and never be held accountable. It perpetuates the breed and dump cycle and pays people to be irresponsible. A responsible owner will set aside $300 for euthanasia and disposal. It costs no more than one month’s care. If they can afford to own a horse, they can afford to provide a humane death.... 47865@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:11:17 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47862 Horses are NOT companion animals and they should NOT be considered as such. They are livestock, pure and simple. I do think that horses should be treated humanly, and they should be protected, but slaughtering them is not that bad. The slaughter houses are regulated by the USDA and the transportation is also regulated by the USDA. If slaughter is banned then some people who no longer have the recourse to keep their horses are truing theme loose. An abandoned horse's future is not very rosy and usually they end up dead due to starvation or cruelty. People who love horses only want what is best for them and allowing them to die a slow and painfully death are unacceptable. Slaughter give a viable option that is regulated and humane.... 47862@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:55:56 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47853 Viki As I read this bill it occured to me that this bill is not about slaughtering horses but the humane treatment of the horses that are to be slaughtered. Which I agree with in part a horse that is well taken care of is one that will have more better meat.... 47853@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:31:29 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47679 I ask where do we draw the line? Next will it be our household pets, dogs, cats and/or a hamster. These animals are our friends and have true feelings toward thier humans. We have recently lost one of the herd and my horses morned the loss for over 3 weeks. Yes I understand that the slaughtering issues are bigger then most relize...it is even being blame on the falling out of the market our "Show Animals". My one mare once appraised at $60,000.00 at a 2 year old. I shutter to think what it would be at now. They are members of my family and are treated as such. They give me everything they have in the show ring, out on the trail etc...They deserve the same respect as they give. Would you eat Grandma OR Grandpa? You should be ashamed of yourselves for even concidering it.... 47679@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:20:24 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47609 Another blow to the pro slaughter advocates. Read and view the KHOU news report on Slaughtergate. http://www.vickitobin.com/id24.html... 47609@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:33:26 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47511 Regardless of your stance, I think we can all agree that this act is despicable! Please sign the petition to have these two vets stripped of their licenses. Briefly...they were found to have 6 starving horses on their farm after they hooked up one of their 'living skeletons' to a car and spent 45 minutes trying to get him to pull it out of a ditch, until he just finally collapsed. This happened in British Columbia, Canada just recently. http://www.gopetition.com/online/23978.html... 47511@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:35:08 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47455 Hey, Dave. I just checked out something on the website you keep promoting. Just love the reports of abandoned horses. They are not reports, they are articles. Could you provide the information or let me know who I can contact to find out the names of the officials that were contacted to verify the article was accurate? We have investigated many such articles (not sure if we checked those particular articles) and they were all false. I'm assuming whoever runs that site is verifying the information before presenting the article as fact. I couldn't find a contact for the website. BTW-have you seen the FOIA on Beltex? 906 pages of the worst abuse I have ever seen. And the best part is that the pro folks can't accuse us of doctoring the photos or reports because it came directly from the USDA. There goes any argument you guys had about how humane the US plants were compared to Mexico and Canada. One by one, we are knocking down the pro arguments with cold, hard facts...... 47455@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:35:26 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47440 Dear Masters: Yes you are right, because if they did deal with facts they would anti slaughter right along with us because true be told horse slaughger is cruel, inhumane and a horrible way for a horse to die and they deserve better from us then what is happening. Yes the times they are changing and have been since the dawn of time of this earth and history shows those that do not move up to the tune are left behind and are gone and forgotten. There are better things we can do than to send our horses to a death they do not deserve. We can step up to the plate and do our part to help them and demand that people take responsibility for that which they bought and now should take care of. To dump these horses and get paid to do so is the worse form of human beings I can come across. Dave D. why not just admit the truth and come to the front and help us end horse slaughter. Be counted among those that care?... 47440@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:52:30 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47417 To Leah: I will repeat, Dave D. does not care about facts and he conveniently looses track of the questions posed. His inference that horses will be processed (cute term huh?) in the US (and they still are, just not for human consumption) is a fairy tale perpetuated by the proslaughter who never bothered to take Dr. Grandin up on her horse slaughter facility design when they had the chance. The only ostrich I see posting here with any persistence is ole Dave D. BTW Dave, I told you before that I am a master of nothing save for my soul and life. You would do well to acheive the same...get a little more clever, would ya'? Because you are boring and soon to be irrelevant.... 47417@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:45:06 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47405 Hi Dave D: Here we are and it is almost winter and we are getting snow here in the Eastern Sierra Mountains. Ugh! To be truthful I have not missed you and had hoped that the pro slaughter people had given up and given in, but alas that is not true. I read the website you noted and have seen it many times and still find it a lot of words with no substance. What do I mean by that, FACTS, FACTS and FACTS. Just a lot of words with no dates, times, people or organizations mentioned. Believe me when I say I am no friend of HSUS, but I know garbage when I read it. I recall one of them and did a background check and found out that it was all false about HSUS. There are always two sides to every story and I have found the pro slaughter stories to be hot air and false statements NOT back with FACTS, FACTS, FACTS. Have you read the current 900 page about abuse released regarding Sugarland auction? You see those pictures.... 47405@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:28:00 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47404 Sorry, Dave. There will be no processing plants in the US. There will always be legislation pending to shut them down and nobody with an ounce of brains is going to open a doomed business. No insurer would insure them for loss of business. It is already in violation of the 1958 Humane Slaughter Act. There is no way to make horse slaughter humane. You can open plants but they can’t operate without USDA inspectors. They will have to appeal the Supreme Court to reinstate the inspectors. The Supreme Court has refused to hear any appeals from the plants. The committee is comprised of pro slaughter people. How is that overwhelming? Enjoy your little victory. It means nothing. We already have the legislation in motion and before the 111th congress recesses, horse slaughter will just a bad chapter in US history. Change is coming our way.... 47404@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:56:41 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47399 On another note, People who are affiliated with HSUS will soon be iin a discredited mode, HSUS is being outed as we speak for what they truly are and I just wish I was the one who was able to do it. On the Dec 11th it started in the New York Times. I am glad to see they are being exposed. www.humanewatch.org Go look and see what your Leader really is.... 47399@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:33:07 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47398 Vicki, I am wondering if you have seen the press release from the NCSL conference this week, an overwhelming response in support of processing horses. One nay vote, and I am sad to say he is from the Northwest. Yes there will be changes, one is we will be processing horses again, the other is in that processing there will be much more humane guidelines on the treatment of horses, hauling, handling, and the actual processing. We are going to make sure processing is as humane as possible. For most of you who stick your heads in the sand and say no processing is tolerable,your the ones that will either need to come and help us with strict guidelines or stay oblivious to the reality of what is happening and that this needs to happen. What answers are you looking for Master "D"??? Sorry if I have missed some ?'s here but I don't have time to read all the posts.... 47398@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:26:35 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47383 Dear old, tired, condescending, intolerant, ill informed, dinosaur Dave D.: Would you like a little cheese with that aged whine? And you know, Dave...maybe we are more knowledgeable. Maybe we've evolved beyond the 1890's. Maybe we know how to call a spade a spade. I haven't been here for several weeks either; you don't own the patent on having a life. And we aren't "offering" advice, we are explaining what is wrong with horse slaughter as it exists today. Hope your ego and manhood can handle it, becuase the days of antiquated, abusive horse slaughter are numbered. You better start thinking about a new hobby that doesn't include horses because the times they are a changin'. Still waiting for those answers Dave........ 47383@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:07:06 EST http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_6598.html#47376 Welcome back, Dave. Yes, it’s the same group, asking the same questions and not getting any answers. Oblivious? Quite the opposite. We know what is going on. It is the pro folks that don’t know what is going on. 2009 will bring many changes and we suspect, the pro folks are not going to be happy campers!... 47376@http://www.washingtonwatch.com Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:56:04 EST